mauriceb
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Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:25 pm

the dutch site luchtvaartnieuws reports in a conversation with the Boss of RTM that CO asked aproval for EWR-RTM with the 757-200 . it would have been the first regular Flight from out of europe. never the less they didn't got the aproval since they meet problems with the noise destriction's. last year Europe's wizz air also got denied after they did an aproval for the airport.

RTM is very popular with business peope, last year the moved 30% more pax than other years. in total 1,5 million people flew on RTM. it will be 1,6 in 2005 although the big boss of RTM said it wouldn't be though to receive 3,3 milion passengers but the Government didn't allowed more flights during noise restrictions




think its very stupid they didn't gave the aprobal for it it. it would have caused a lot of jobs....
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:02 pm

Just curious, why is RTM very popular with business people? Are there some large companies nearby, so that RTM is more convenient than AMS?
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:06 pm

Exactly, Rotterdam has a huge harbour and around there are some oil companies and other related busineses. Plus it's 15 minutes from The Hague, where the government and International Justice Court resides. It's also closer to the southern Netherlands where some other businesses are.
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:06 pm

I am also curious how this will work out:

www.business-jet.com


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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:09 pm

The B757 is a quiet airplane. What kind of noise restriction do they have?
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:36 pm

Which is the most important business city in Netherlands? Amsterdam or Rotterdam?
I think it should be nice to see CO starting RTM.
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:38 pm

I guess RTM only accepts Gliders for passender flights Big grin
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:44 pm

This would have been great for "my" airport.
I visit RTM pretty frequently and everytime you are there something new has happened. They have lots to thank Transavia for. they have 3 aircraft based there at the moment.

As people have said, RTM is popular amongst business flyers.
KLM and VLM flies to London several times/day and Transavia has 2 flights to London/day.

Rotterdam itself, a part from the great location, nearby Den Haag for example is many times called "the working city" many thanks due to the harbor and all the business running there.
You cant name one of the worlds largest shipping companies that are not represented in Rotterdam.
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:00 am

RTM is also the operating headquarters of huge, newly-formed Mittal Steel, which now owns the largest domestic US producer ISG, based in CLE. I've been told that it makes better sense from the US to fly directly to AMS and take a 40-minute limo ride than to fly to RTM via a connecting point like London.

A flight from EWR to RTM could kill CLE's realistic-or-not hopes for a flight to AMS.

[Edited 2005-01-23 18:02:21]
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:27 am

I simply don't believe that the 757 and 320 (Wizzair) are too noisy. What is probably the case is that the "noise quota" that has been assigned to RTM by the government would have been exceeded. I heard that the Transavia flights are based there (partially) in order to keep Ryanair out (by filling up the "noise capacity" of RTM).

One would say that a non-stop flight to EWR would serve the economic interestes of the region better than the many package holiday charters that fly there...

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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:30 am

It is good to see that the management at CO is still moving in the same direction even after Gordo!!! I can't see them serving RTM with any other type of A/C. This probably would of worked out beautifully for CO. It's releiving to know that the NIMBY's aren't limited to American though. (Not even a 752 w/ winglets, that's tough!!!!!)
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:43 pm

Rotterdam is the biggest port in the world.
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:33 pm

Rotterdam is the biggest port in the world.


nope, not anymore, last year it lost against 2 other Ports.. 2 in asia but don't know were.

 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:04 pm

In the rankings from AAPA http://www.aapa-ports.org/industryinfo/statistics.htm the top 3 ports for 2002 (latest available) in terms of tonnage transiting the ports were:

Singapore: 335,156,000 MT
Rotterdam: 321,851,000 MT
Shanghai: 238,606,000 MT

And I've always wondered why RTM didn't have more air traffic. With the port and all the new office buildings that have sprouted up in the past couple of decades, one would think there was a tremendous business demand for air travel.

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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:24 pm

Noise regulations are very strict in the Netherlands and there's a lot of fuss about it all the time. No way politicians are gonna burn there fingers in trying to boost RTM.

The infrastructure around RTM is not very adequate however, there are some minor roads connecting to the highway Rotterdam-The Hague, but apart from that there's only busses to the city. I wonder if it's faster to reach the city from AMS by train.

Next saturday I'll be flying out of RTM for the first time, to CPH.
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:30 pm

PH-BFA makes a good point. Because I am also wondering what happened to the Business jet flight to NYC?

http://www.business-jet.com/book.asp

Rotterdam can do very well with business and leisure passengers heading from/to the NYC area. Also passengers would have a possibility to connect on several Transavia Airlines flights within Europe.


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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:50 pm

BuyantUkhaa is right. Rotterdam Airport has it's own noice quota and that quota has been nearly reached last year by processing 1,2 million passengers. However, these noice quota's are from the time Russian planes and the famous BAC1-11 flights were there on a daily basis.

Changing the quota's is however a very difficult thing here in The Netherlands. Space is the problem and people don't like planes flying over their backyards. However, they do want to fly the cheapest airline...

Ah well, talks are on going, maybe in 1,5-2 years, there will be a new quota.

Hope this helps!

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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:26 am

Is it really only 40 minutes from Amsterdam to Rotterdam? I always thought they were further apart than that.
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:30 am

I flew from Rotterdam to Berlin and back last august, on a Transavia (BasiqAir) 737. I doubt the 752 is appreciably louder.
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:53 am

Is it really only 40 minutes from Amsterdam to Rotterdam? I always thought they were further apart than that.

By Train it takes about 50 minutes....By car about 1 hour, depending on the traffic.

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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:58 am

THey also have a nifty bus service that drops you at the Amsterdam Centraal train station in about an hour.
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:35 am

The newspaper "Rotterdams Dagblad" has an article about it (can't find it online anymore but it was published on the net a few weeks ago).

CO actually never officially requested slots, probably because they already knew that they wouldn't get the flights. Anyways, an increase in RTM traffic could relief AMS a little.

The market would be there, and historically Seen Rotterdam used to have a lot of passengers to New York in the age ships ruled the Atlantic Ocean.

But as stated, Amsterdam is not that far, so why really launch an extra flight?? It will most likely create empty seats at RTM and that's not very profitable. Those who need to fly to RTM or NYC will be able to by connecting through AMS. So why not send 1 777 instead of 1 767 and 1 757??
 
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RE: Continental Want's To Fly To Rotterdam

Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:49 am

Not to forget that the Netherlands are currently building a new speed railway between Rotterdam and Schiphol as part of the Paris-Amsterdam route. When inaugurete in 2007 Rotterdam to Schiphol will be 15 to 20 minutes by domestic high speed trains with up to 6 trains an hour.

It has to be seen if CO can generate enough traffic from RTM. I think most passengers would prefer the wider choice in AMS over RTM.