jumbojet
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4R @JFKnow

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:29 pm

Just heard JFK ATC say that an aircraft is blocking 4R and will be out of service until Monday. Is this a new incident? Yesterday 4L was out of service due to an incident. Anyone have any news on this?
 
OPNLguy
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:38 pm

I beleive they are the same incident, and that 04L was mistakenly reported as the runway being involved.

I read elsewhere where the 747 on 04R is in the new arrestor barrier section they installed to keep aircraft from going off the end and into the water. That pavement in this section pretty much breaks up under the aircraft's own weight, so extracating it is more involved than just towing it off, not to mention there being a foot of snow on the ground. Monday might be Tuesday...

Here's what the arrestor bed looks like, and how it saved a Saab 340 from the water back 1999. You can see than even wheels of a lightweight Saab are not -on- the pavement, but -in- it, so you can imagine what a heavyweight 747 must look like in it.

A MD11 did use it in 2003, but he didn't go very far into it, and only the nosewheel was buried.

http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safety_Issues/RiskManagement/softgroundarrest.html

http://www.tc.faa.gov/intercom/may99.PDF

Here's some of the airports around the USA that have such installations:
http://www.esco-usa.com/com/instal.html







[Edited 2005-01-23 14:55:27]
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
flybywire777
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:39 pm

Sounds like they just cleared one for a landing on 4L. Can't figure out who, not many in the air at this time.
 
mikephotos
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:17 am

4L is open and active, just saw a few land: B6 A320, Olympic A340, Saudia 777 and a IB A340 attempted but had to go around....

4R is closed, Polar 747 still at the end in the arrestor bed/snow. Just uploaded a pic, hopefully it'll be accepted soon.

Mike
 
Newark777
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:21 am

Just heard one cleared to 31R, with a windshear warning.

Harry
Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
 
NIKV69
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:26 am

Mikephotos,

Post that pic here! I want to see it.

Wonder how long before they can get that 747 moved.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
mikephotos
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:45 am

Here ya go....


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Michael F. McLaughlin



Mike
 
NIKV69
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:02 am

Great pic Mike!  Big thumbs up

You deserve credit for going out and getting that pic. What bad weather your having there!

Thanks!

Nik
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
mikephotos
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:42 am

Thanks Nik, yeah it was worth it. But I don't get all the credit. First I had to have the wife and kids shovel out the truck  Smile



And credit to the 4x4 for dealing with roads that are still covered with snow. I guess I do get a little credit for standing on top of the truck to take the pic......  Big grin



Here's a close-up shot for you:



Mike
 
N766UA
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:50 pm

Another aircraft went off the end today, and no it wasn't Polar, it was a new incident. I do not know the type however. Anyone have any more info?
 
notbluejet
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RE: 4R @JFKnow

Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:52 pm

from what i heard it was fedex, dont know any more info right now. ill try to find out

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