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Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:03 am

Dear all,

first I will greet all airliners.netter, specially the colombian fraction.

Now my question, anyone has any information that Avianca has plnd to restart the Bogota - Frankfurt service or maybe go to Munich? Specially I miss the Fra service due I used this service since I was 1 year old.

Economically I think the route can be served at least 3 times a week, due the lack of Lufthansa on this route.

Regarding the destination, it would be interesting to see if Avianca will go to Fra or Muc, in my opinion Muc has not the worst possibilities to get AV because after Avianca closed the office in Frankfurt, the announced GSA "Avia-Reps" is located in Munich...

We will see if this dream will be true soon.

Thank you all for your comments.

Avianca
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wimpycol
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:19 am

Hola Avianca

Welcome on board!!!
Hope you'll enjoy A.net!!

About AV back to FRA.... well just a dream for me also!
I did the route 3 times with the B747 and B767's of AV. Nice flights!! Back in the good old Avianca days!!!

I think AV is pointing first on CDG and LHR/LGW or even Stansted, FRA is a good 2nd or 3th one to reopen their European network!

Well in the near future you maybe can see a new Colombian airline called FENIX! They applied for permission to fly 19 cities in the USA/ Latin America and Europe, including FRA CDG, ATL, RIO etc.
But I think AV757 can give you better info on this.

Saludos and regards
Willem Alberto
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:39 am

Well in the near future you maybe can see a new Colombian airline called FENIX!

...which, until now, appears to be no more than the average paper airline created for governmental/legal issues. There is still nothing to believe it is not going to remain as that.



There is still nothing too certain about Efromovich's plans with Avianca and the supposedly planned expansion to Europe, so at this point nearly anything is classified under speculation. The best thing Avianca could nab in Germany would be a couple of slots to operate several weekly flights to Frankfurt, most possibly as one-stop services.




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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:47 am

Wimpycol,

thank you for the welcome!

Nice too see that I am not the only that hopes that AV Frankfurt flight will be re-opened in near future.

Southamerica, thank you for the update on FENIX...

saludos
Avianca
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757MDE
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:56 am

I don't Avianca will open a new European destination with their own metal soon, there are strong rumours about London being strongly re-considered, but nothing more than rumours.

Although they've been expanding their codeshare agreements (namely CDG as AF was granted the daily flight to BOG), but yes, we all know... a codeshare is just that, and we want AV's own metal there.

About Fenix, well, what they've said is right. The same goes for Universal, Estelar....the newest Airline operaring here to the best of my knowledge is West Caribbean Airways (in process of being renamed just "West") and changing colors, since the late 90s.
Talking about WCA, I was at MDE this morning and the "new" MD-80 they got ex Continental already has the new colors, or part of them (I only could see the nose in the hangar, and it was blueeee... new scheme!).

BTW welcome to the forums.
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:13 am

ok let us all look regarding the future of avianca in europe.

Avianca is still selling a good amount of tickets in germany for MAD-BOG flight, with relativ cheep fares, like AF and IB. Only problem with that is, that AV pays a lot for the conecting flights with SpanAir, Lufthansa and Iberia. Resulting very very low yields in german market.

We will see what option AV will go, abandonate complete the German market, get Code-Share to them, or reinstall the flight.

I hope that AV will not come too late. In germany are strong rumors that Lufthansa will reinstall FRA-BOG flight within next 1 to 2 years.

saludos
Avianca

[Edited 2005-01-25 01:15:06]
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:37 am

Welcome on board!

Well, Efromovich has very strong ambitions about Europe. I think that if AV starts new destinations, they would likely be LHR/LGW and FRA. We may see AV metal at those airports by this year´s end or in 2006.
 
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:52 am

There are strong rumours here about the Lufthansa comeback also, as well as Alitalia. I don't know about the first, but I think the second has serious work to do on other priorities (namely surviving) before they come back to BOG again.

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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:01 am

757MDE,

I think Alitalia will first code-share on Air Fance flight to BOG before re-intruduce own service.

regardings LH all depents on there fleet.

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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:53 pm

Does any one know the status of Inter? I saw yesterday a white Inter DC9 with a yellowish tail and an orchid in the middle. It was sitting on a hangar next to the Puente Aereo. Is this just a remainder of the fleet? Am I out of date on what was going to be a new scheme for them?
 
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:07 pm

I thought Aviancia had leased a 767300 to expand their long-haul operations? I think Avianca has better potential for the European market. With BA cancelling London and no other service to Germany, Avianca could make a killing.
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:43 pm

Also I saw yesterday an AV aircraft completely white in the hangar.
Is this the one that they are going to return or are they preparing it for the new livery?
 
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:48 am

A300AA, Did you see this white 767 at a hanger in MIA or BOG?
In any case, it is most likely the 767-300 that will be returned to its lessor. Its replacment is already operating in a simple 85 year aniversary scheme: Red tail, white fuselage in large red Avianca titles.

1 extra 757 and 2 MD83s are to be incorporated in the fleet. A reorganisation of operations with these new acquisitions into account is supposed to take place in May. These should free up 767s for a few extra frequencies to Europe.
 
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:38 am

Summa 767

the 757 that you are talking about is the icelandair 757 hybryd ?

Question about avianca .

Are they going to paint all the planes wiht the 85 years in the back or wiht the Avianca white titles ? Also ,What will happen next year ? I think they got the idea from the aviancaciones 727

Why any airline wants to flight to MCO from colombia ?

 
757MDE
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:47 am

I think Inter is pretty much done.
I was in BOG like 2-3 weeks ago and also saw that DC-9 parked (it could be perfectly seen from the 26th street peatonal bridge). Inter always had DC-9-15s but that one looks like a DC-9-30 although I'm not sure, its registration is HK-4310, I think it's just a reminder. I don't think Inter will ever fly again.
I'd be grateful if anyone could take a picture of it and send it to me (it doesn't matter if the quality isn't that good), I really think the scheme is good and well, it'll be a good reminder.

Avianca bought a new 763 as a replacement of the 763 they had which had to be returned to lessor. The old one is N984AN, the new one is N948AV.
The Icelandair 757 was bought just for peak season, leased like for a month was returned on January 16th<

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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:15 am

Talking about AV 's livery, I recently posted something about it...with no answer, however your comments about the trend in Brazil are welcomed:


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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:25 am

regarding the AV livery, very unspectacular

saludos
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:03 am

Well but it's understandable given the haste it was made with and baring in mind the 80 años retro jet, which was spectacular.
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:17 am

Avianca did not buy a 767-3YO registry N948AV, it is leased from GECAS. This airplane was brought to replace N984AN whose lease expires and is now being painted all white to be returned to its owner Pegasus on January 31, 2005.

They are searching for 2 MD-83´s but so far have not found them available.
Icelandair Boeing 757 registry TF-FII wet lease ended and was returned to Icelandair on January 16, 2005.

They were negotiating the adquisition of 2 Boeing 757-2M6; registries V8-RBA and V8-RBB from Royal Air Brunei, but so far no news or confirmation about these airplanes is known.

The new European routes are not viable at the moment since there is no available 767 to cover the new routes without canceling and sacrificing some of the ones that are now being operated by these aircraft in the Americas.

Internal rumor has it that the launching of the new commercial image and airplane livery that the fleet will have will be announced and finally introduced on the last week of February.

Best regards:
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:55 am

A reorganisation of operations with these new acquisitions into account is supposed to take place in May.

Not having acquired any extra planes for national services in the recent past, AV is heavily reorganizing domestic operations, both with the turboprop fleet and with the MD-83s.

Just to name a few of the handful of modifications, Montería, Cúcuta, and Armenia are seeing decreased frequencies and loss of jet service in the first two cases; San Andrés is seeing new flights from Cali; Valledupar will get another daily flight from Bogota operated, as never expected, by mainline fleet [and not by SAM]; Santa Marta is losing one of the three nonstops to Bogotá; and the shuttles between Bogota and Medellin/Cali are getting absolutely redesigned. The Fokker fleet operated by SAM on behalf of Avianca, that is usually based in Medellín, is seeing modifications, and traditional SAM routes from MDE are seeing mainline aircraft again.

...all this, again, is happening under the same fleet size.



Any airline wants to flight to MCO from Colombia?

The airline that most recently considered such service was AeroRepublica; and they cancelled everything that had to do with the word international.

The service would have doubtful yield/load performance, a thinner population/traffic base to efficiently develop, and would probably be clouded by the extensive, popular and well-stablished services in the Colombia-South Florida market.




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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:00 pm

regarding the AV livery, very unspectacular

Is that really Avianca's new livery? I wouldn't expect that from FutureBrand, the ones who made LanChile and Air Canada's former liveries, plus South African and UPS among others.

Are you guys sure that just THAT's it?
 
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RE: Avianca To Europe

Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:51 pm

No, it isn't. It's a "special" scheme for the 85th birthday. So as I said, it was made with hassle. The new livery is yet to be unveiled to the best of my knowledge.
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