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Is The E170 Living Up To Performance Expectations?

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:11 am

We've heard from US employees and others that the E170 has had problems with range/payload and general dispatch reliability, but Republic and others are happy enough with them to order more. Are the problems reported just teething trouble? Has Embraer gotten them sorted out? Were the problems really that bad in the first place?
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RE: Is The E170 Living Up To Performance Expectations?

Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:15 pm

There were some problems with the avionics that have been worked out. US Airways biggest problem is the routes. Their poor scheduling is killing them in the fuel burn department. 6800pph more than the CRJ-700.
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RE: Is The E170 Living Up To Performance Expectati

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:42 am

6800 pph is close to 1000 gallons per hour. The difference between empty wt and gross is about 35000lbs. You are saying that on a 2 hr flight the DIFFERENCE between an EM7 and a CR7 is 1/3 of the EM7 payload....I dont think so .... get some correct numbers next time instead of wildly guessing wrong.
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RE: Is The E170 Living Up To Performance Expectations?

Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:04 am

There were some teething issues with the airplane that since have been worked out, mainly avionics/electrical (there were some anti-ice and fmc compatibility issues). We've discovered, however, that with 72 pax it's really not a good airplane for much more than 3 hrs block time. Beyond a 1,000-1,100 nm stage length you're going to start taking some serious payload penalties west bound. In this regard it's not much better than its younger siblings (e145). Where Boeing7E7 came up with those number and that statement is absolutely beyond me but I can assure you, they're not accurate. It's a great airplane cost wise and operationally for missions between about 550nm and 900nms. At least that's been our experience and have heard likewise from Republic/Chatauqua.

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