wingnutmn
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WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:33 pm

I was bored and looking at the FAA accidents/incidents, when I came across this report
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/D_0124_N.txt

I was just wondering if anyone had any further information?

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notdownnlocked
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:16 pm

You shouldn't have brought this topic out and into the open. WN is one of the media darlings and also one of the chosen instruments with their passengers. If this was a legacy carrier there would have been reports worldwide about how a grave and potentially great disaster was just narrowly avoided and thanks to God all are alive now to see the sun rise again. Since this is WN and an instrument delivered by God the same as JetBlue there will be no press reports about this even here in the WN hometown of Dallas or Ft.Worth. I am watching the morning news now here in DFW and there is no mention whatsoever but that is not even close as a surprize to me. You should follow the media and try to cover this up and say nothing as WN are making money and they as the others with the same Wall Street darlings can do no wrong.
 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:45 pm

Why can't he post this? Do you seriously think people are going to say, "Oh let's not fly WN anymore!" Just because WN is making money doesn't mean he can't post something that happened on board. Thank you for the info WingnutMN. I'm quite sure WN will not see any decrease in their sales thanks to your post.  Big thumbs up

Also, what makes you think that only legacy carries get bad press? Surely not... American Media would release any bad press in a heartbeat about an LCC. Hell, they've made plently of articles about Independence losing money and cutting flights, and they're an LCC. Give me a break!

You should follow the media and try to cover this up and say nothing as WN are making money and they as the others with the same Wall Street darlings can do no wrong.

Maybe I'm outta line here, but please tell me you were just joking or being sarcastic!!!!!!!!!!! That line makes it sound like you worship LCCs!

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:55 pm

What the hell are you talking about, Notdownnlocked?
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:59 pm

Notdownlocked you must joking with your comment. This is an airliner forum where we airline enthousiasts like to discuss and inform our fellow enthousiatsts with all kinds of news regarding aviation; Wallstreet darlings or no wallstreet darlings.
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:04 pm

What the hell are you talking about, Notdownnlocked?

He obviously has an axe to grind with WN. One thing I have noticed in my short time here is that a few have a flat out hate for WN, maybe they lost their job due to them or couldn't get hired by them, I don't know, but some go out of their way to knock WN.
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:11 pm

wonder what all this has to do with WN ? mean, this can happen to any crewmember in the world. things like this hardly make it into the news and who (except us here) the f..k would care aboout it?
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:11 pm

The guy got sick.....why do you think they have 2 people up there? How could this possibly say something bad about WN?
 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:14 pm

"Bitter...table for one!"  Big grin

Thanx for the link to the page though, could be some interesting reading (I agree when there's not a lot else to do).
 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:26 pm

I have no hate whatsoever with WN and yes my last post was sarcastic if you didn't notice WN lovers. Also here where I am we see nothing about Independence Air because they don't land anywhere close to this area. We hear nothing about them except what is said here on these forums and those in the local area that read these forums. The only sign of I-Air here is their whited out CRJ's flown here by Skywest. For the average person here they could be based on Mars for what they know. Also of course because WN is making money there is no press reports about this incident especially since all day there were live reports on the local news last week and live interviews with their employees at the top of every hour here in DFW with them wearing their pajamas to worship the retirement of their 737-200. The media are not about to turn around and tell the local population about this incident after all the praise bestowed upon them last week. You all need to think globally and not locally. And yes I do think that only the legacy carriers get the majority of the bad press. That is my opinion and you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise. My opinion is that the press follows the heard mentality of Wall Street and what they say must be the word that is carved in stone.
 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:10 pm

There isn't any bad press here to be reported.. the guy got sick, they landed the plane.. it isn't like parts of the aircraft are falling off in flight.. there is no great conspiracy by the media or anyone else in this case.

As Freud said, sometimes a cake is just a cake..

 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:23 pm

You all need to think globally and not locally.

And citing that this news was not mentioned in DFW only is thinking globally?

I don't know what news channels you watch, but there was only *some* mention of the 737-200 retirement here in DFW, but certainly not a top story. This WN "incident" was not much of a story; people get sick all the time, passengers and crew. Unfortunately, no money lost means no one's going to truly care.
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:50 pm

>>>That is my opinion and you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise.

Notdownnlocked,

With all the rambling comments (I-Air, 737-200 retirement, conspiracy theories, etc.) I don't think I'd even care to try...  Insane

Notwithstanding the old "if it bleeds; it leads" rationale that the media often seems to follow, it just might not have been -that- slow a news days for a truly minor event like this to make the news. That doesn't equate to a "conspiracy" by anyone, but if it makes you feel better to believe that, you go right ahead...
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:06 am

I am quite sure there has been a number of cases where a Captain/1stFO has had a sudden illness, heart attack, stroke, or other sudden illness that incapicated them on many airlines. This is nothing new, the other pilot took over, executed an medical emergency landing, as is why there is the 2nd pilot there. I hope the Pilot in question recovers where they can fly again for WN. I like that the above link also has a reference to the Polar Air Cargo flight that ran off the end of the runway at JFK this past Saturday, attempting a landing in snow storm conditions, including info as to the a/c involved.
 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:11 am

While were on the subject of Southwest crew being temporarily incapacitated..here's another incident yesterday at BUF.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050126/3066810.asp

 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:08 am

Well in my ramblings OPNLguy, if you look at post number 2 you will see where I respond to the comment about I-Air. You should read the posts a little closer if you wish to mount an attack upon me. Yes here in the DFW media there were about 10-15 blurbs about the retirement of the WN 737 during the morning newscasts alone on various TV channels. I cannot answer about the noon and night newscasts and in addition there were articles written in the local newspapers as well that came out the following day. As for the idea of a "conspiracy theory" those are your own misguided words that you have fabricated on your own as I never mentioned nor have I alluded to anything of the sort. Please don't use my posts to usher in your own ideas and try to portray me here in a bad light. I have my opinion and that is that. Show me where I say anything about some conspiracies as you mention twice in your post all the while you supposedly quote me as saying just that.

"With all the rambling comments (I-Air, 737-200 retirement, conspiracy theories, etc.) I don't think I'd even care to try... "
 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:18 am

Maybe they should set up a news channel just for you Notdownlocked and all the haters to report every time a crew member gets sick. Pilots are just regular people that can get sick.
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:24 am

I'm still amazed that something as innocous(sp?) as a thread on a WN pilot can turn into a flame war. Lighten up people, not everything is a personal attack, conspiracy, or whatever else you wish to take offense to.

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:36 am

>>>Please don't use my posts to usher in your own ideas and try to portray me here in a bad light.

Wouldn't think of it, but your posts speak for themselves.

Have a nice day...
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:54 am

This topic did get way out of hand, so here is my lighten up part. He must have had the fish. Glad to see that old Striker is still around on planes to land them safely. Also, do they still carry those blow up pilots in the cockpit for situations like this?
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:05 am

Notdownandlocked--

LOVED your initial response. That was great, hilarious, and so very cynic, yet so very true. I loved it a lot. Kudos to you.

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:38 am

Oh yes, Notdownnlocked, Shame on the mass media for focusing on American for having 3-4 runway overruns/short landings in the past 2-3 months.

Their time would obviously have been better spent covering the WN plane that "diverted and landed without incident".

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:41 am

C'mon people! Everyone gets sick eventually, it just so happened that it happened to a pilot in mid-flight. It's not his fault! This should not make anyone in their right mind to be afraid to fly WN. They have the Shamu plane!

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wingnutmn
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:52 am

How in the hell did this post go array? All I was posting this for was to INFORM you people of this incident, not to bash WN or any other airline. If it happened to UA, AA, NW, DL, CO, F9, etc, etc.....I would have written the same thing. All I wanted to know is if someone had anymore info on what happened......Like.......was it just the flu? Was it a heart attack? Was it a seizure? Questions like that. Not that I am trying to bring down WN with my own posting power! And yes, I know that this happens (pilots/crew getting sick), but it is still news when it happens!

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:01 am

I don't think you need to get too wrapped up about media coverage of any airline. The local Fox station in DFW during the 737-200 retirement coverage called the airplane a 727. Serves me right for watching Fox.
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:06 am

The guy probably had a bad steak in OMA and got ill in the sky no big deal. Afterall it is cold and flu season I just heard Patriots QB Tom Brady had a 103 degree fever the night before Sunday's game so it appends to everybody.

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:11 am

Now who doesn't love Shamu?!

These people.  Laugh out loud



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2H4
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:15 am

That is my opinion and you are welcome to try to convince me otherwise.

The original post isn't what "sent this post array". Your subsequent opinions (and particularly, your invitation to convince you otherwise) are.


Some examples:

The media are not about to turn around and tell the local population about this incident after all the praise bestowed upon them last week.

It was a non-event. That is why it didn't get any press.


And yes I do think that only the legacy carriers get the majority of the bad press.

The bad press you're alluding to is typically earned.


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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:19 am

HAWK44, ya saved the day..lol.
The point the lead post was making is how the new media reacts to different companies or people or political parties for that matter. If it would have been a NW pilot or USAIRWAYS pilot, it would have been on page three, take it to the bank. Adjectives would have been added to make you think the worst. The media is very good at slanting. They go to college to learn how to write articles that SELL newspapers, remember?
I understand NOTDOWNANDLOCK's point. Some of us did not and took it the wrong way. Its that simple.
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:34 am

If this was a legacy carrier there would have been reports worldwide about how a grave and potentially great disaster was just narrowly avoided and thanks to God all are alive now to see the sun rise again.

So, LCCs don't get bad press huh?

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:53 am

2H4.....a none event it was NOT, as you stated but on what is know as a "no news day" the media make big deals out of nothing. How many times have we seen a local media at the airport make a big deal out of a go around? I'll bet I've seen that one 100 times in my life. Now, if NW or USAIRWAYS had made the news two days ago, and this Omaha pilot thing came up the very next day with NW or USAIRWAYS, bet the bank, an "event" would have been created. I took a little journalism in college so I'm not totally stupid on this one.
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:06 am

Now, if NW or USAIRWAYS had made the news two days ago, and this Omaha pilot thing came up the very next day with NW or USAIRWAYS, bet the bank, an "event" would have been created.

Exactly. An "event" would have been created. Couldn't have said it better myself.  Big grin


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RE: Crew Incapacitation

Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:23 am

Like what should the airline do, call the news station and advertise?! Unless that happens, you aren't going to hear about most incidents unless somone at the station monitors the appropriate freqs in case something comes up. You think THIS one woulda been fodder for the news....

"The captain, the flight engineer, and the lead flight attendant all subsequently became unconscious due to hypoxia. ..... The first officer, who had only 10 hours of flight time in the airplane, had donned his oxygen mask when the warning horn first sounded, maintained consciousness, and was able to initiate an emergency descent. "

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001208X05709&key=1

Or how about this UAL guy having a grand mal seizure? I didn't hear about these on the news either-

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X11685&key=1

This guy was had a heart attack-
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001207X03112&key=1

Another passed out-
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001206X00986&key=1

[Edited 2005-01-26 20:28:37]
 
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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:41 pm

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RE: WN Pilot Incapacitated

Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:20 pm

This is a very sad thing.

A pilot becomes ill inflight, the no 2 lands the aircraft with no difficulty (they are trained to fly and land the aircraft on their own in the event of this kind of situation). Some of you are using this to bash WN, the pilot or God knows what and for what purpose?

I know you all have opinions and I will defend your right to say what you wish (as intelligent or assinine as it may be). However, I draw the line when what you say is hurtful to others. To those of you who have made ill comments regarding WN or this pilot, I really think you need to take a very good look in the mirror before you cast the next stone.

Incidents occur on aircraft. Crews are trained to deal with them. We should be hoping that this pilot recovers from his illness and wish him and his family well. We should be grateful that WN reacts in a professional and sensitive way when events as these happen. Further, we should be grateful that the press also has the forethought (especially in Dallas) to not report something that could be terribly misconstrued as something other than what it was.

So, please, please pause, take a deep breath or two before you put your fingers to the keyboard. The forum should be about discussion of issues in a friendly and professional manner. If you can't do that, do us all a favor and please put your fingers somewhere else.

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