juventus
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Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:17 am

LAX has a more diverse scene (aircraft/airline) than any other major airport in America. One morning, about two weeks ago, I spent about three hours spotting at the LAX international terminal. A midst all the 747s, 777s, and A340s, an EL AL 767 was pushing back. That particular aircraft, was the only one that I was not paying any attention to. I also failed to notice that two Israeli security agents (or whatever they call themselves) were monitoring my activities. They called the LAX police. Two cops showed up, and after ten minutes of investigating my activities, I was told to leave the area until the EL AL aircraft was airborne. I understand Israel's difficult political situation with hostile nations, but it should not affect Americans in America.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:25 am

Those Israeli guys are sure paranoid. Maybe they thought you had a missle launcher with you in the terminal. What a bunch of bastards.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:25 am

Juventus

Unfortunately, wherever ElAl fly to you get the paranoid Israeli security forces. Usually they try to get you to move themselves, rather than calling the police.

I would suggest writing a letter of complaint to your local ElAl office. I did the same thing after an incident at Frankfurt, involving someone I was travelling with. The office in London were very apologetic and said they had no problems with photos being taken of their aircraft. In the incident at Frankfurt, the guy I was travelling with was actually taking a photo of a PIA A310, however the ElAl was in the same general direction.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:28 am

Maybe, If you weren't dressed in an all black outfit, and sporting a beard, they would have thought nothing of you....  Yeah sure
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:37 am

El Al security does perimeter checks as well at LAX and we have spoken to them a number of times. This is done for every arrival and departure of an El Al flight so it is nothing new. The Airport Police and LAPD have parked next to us numerous times in our shooting areas when a flight arrives or departs and again we have been told it is just routine.

Since the shootings at the El Al ticket counter July 4th, 2002, security is even tighter in the Bradley Terminal when an El Al aircraft is at the gate, so I'm not surprised you were questioned.

Don't feel like you were singled out because you were spotting, just pay attention to what airlines are at the gate and if you see El Al there, just use a little common sense and go to another area until the flight departs and you won't be questioned.

I've been taking photos and watching aircraft all my life at LAX and yes things have changed greatly over the years. Take it from an LAX local, go to another location to spot, don't hang around in the Bradley Terminal to spot unless you are leaving on a flight, the Theme Restaurant is a good choice as you can see the entire airport from there.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:43 am

It's not just El Al - I was questioned for photographing a North American Airlines 767 (North American operates codeshare/connecting services for El Al in the continental US).

I was actually sitting in my seat on a taxiing aircraft at DFW when I took the picture. The man in the next seat was a federal air marshal, and upon landing at our destination he held me on board the plane and made me erase all the pictures I had taken out the window.

Land of the free, indeed.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:47 am

The man in the next seat was a federal air marshal, and upon landing at our destination he held me on board the plane and made me erase all the pictures I had taken out the window.

Are they allowed to do that? What would happen if you refused?

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:53 am

I would suggest writing a letter of complaint to your local ElAl office

Agree completely, you should also complain to the airport authorities
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:56 am

Next time one of these morons questions you like that you should hand them a copy of the constitution and then tell them to leave.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:57 am

If you were doing nothing illegal, the police have no right to stop you from taking photos........if EL AL doesn't like it, thats just too bad for them.......while its easier to listen to the police to avoid further problems (which I would have done also), I definitely would have spoken my mind (very politely, of course) with the police, and possibly would have gone to the precinct and have a chat with the one in charge....

I also would have contacted El Al to let them know in a polite way what the situation is and what my rights are, and if they violate my rights, then they will hear from my attourney....

if this was Isreal, fine....but this is the United States, and NOBODY has a right to stop someone from doing something if it isnt anything illegal or causing anyone any harm.. Yeah sure
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:06 am

Yeah yeah, these clowns have questioned me several times at LAX, too. If a guy shows up speaking broken English, with a mobile phone fixed to the ear and asking dumb questions such as "Waaaat aaarrrrr youuuuuu doooooing herre???" you can be sure it's one of these paranoid EL AL heroes. Just sucks like hell.  Pissed


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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:07 am

Let that be a lesson for all of you spotters out there. When EL AL arrives, you better hide your camera, and go hang out at Starbucks, until the aircraft departs.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:13 am

"Let that be a lesson for all of you spotters out there. When EL AL arrives, you better hide your camera, and go hang out at Starbucks, until the aircraft departs."

El Al/Isreal doesn't own the United States (in contrast to what Sharon says), if El Al doesn't like it, thats just TOO BAD!!!

they can do what they feel is necessary for them in Isreal....thats fine with me..but NOT HERE in the United States...TOUGH!!!
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:13 am

Just tell them while they may not recognize freedom in their country we do here. And if they don't like then they can quit flying here. We don't need tools like that coming in to this country.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:30 am

When I lived in Geneva I also had some problems with your FBI and local police... Clinton was doing his morning jogging near the lake, so I had to take another road with my bike !! I also asked me some questions about our freedom here in Switzerland.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:36 am

Well, we are darned if we do and darned if we don't. I agree with the heightened security to some extent, and perhaps there is something we are not being told. It is quite sad that our love for aviation has turned into picture erasing and so on, but we need to be glad that security is stronger than what it was before 9/11.

EL AL is very protective, and I guess they have every right to be. Would I be upset if a Federal Air Marshall asked me to erase my pictures off of my camera? Of course! Would I respect them for making me do it? Of course. So again, darned if we do, and darned if we don't.

If we should be upset with someone, we should be upset with the terrorists who are taking our great hobby away from us. Not only that, we should be even more angered with terror hurting our passion of the industry. The great days of enjoying spotting, has turned into an uncomfortable hobby. We will never have the same freedoms again, and that is very sad!
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:40 am

I'm sorry but I would not comply with a request to erase a picture. I'd make them detain me so I'd have justification to take legal action against them. I'm sure the ACLU would eat them for breakfast. I can photograph them as I see fit. There is this inconvenient thing in the constitution that guarantees freedom of the press. If ElAl can't handle it then perhaps they need to quit flying to the US. Who would miss them?
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:07 am

ElAl, because of their being a critical, worldwide symbol of Israel and their political situation has to take extraordinary security measures anywhere outside of Israel. The denial of taking pictures or observing the movements of their aircraft is probably part of a long standing and reasonable security policy, so potential terrorists cannot determine certain unique security and related operational procedures or getting the identies of Israeli or other security agents. Similar situations exist around the world as to the operations of military aircraft at airports. As to spotting/observing, security people don't know who is a potential terrorist (remember Richard Reed?), and want to take the most expansive and easiest way to reduce the risks involved. While this does make it difficult for the 99.99999% of innocent observers, paranoia and a 'never again' as to terror within the USA, and elsewhere, has taken over. Just find ways to enjoy observing aircraft within reasonable rules undestanding the position of the airport authorities.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:11 am

I for one don't play on giving up my constitutional rights for the one in a hundred million chance of something happening. Too bad for ElAl. If you want to operate in the US then you go by our laws and our constitution.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:16 am

No offense, but I would NEVER erase a picture. They have NO authority to ask you to do so.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:20 am

All I have to say is "dont bring your problems here and expect me to give up my guaranteed freedoms because you have issues back home with the way you treat your people and others. Your problem. Not mine."
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RE: Had An Incident With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:20 am

Tough luck with LA Polica dept. Although I find it hard for them to question you for so long being you were not breaking any laws. Yeah and as far as the ElAl ticket counter incident in July 2002 I'm sure they are even more tight on there security policies/issues.

BTW: The 767-300ER they send on FL105 does that stop @ YYZ or JFK?
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:27 am

The denial of taking pictures or observing the movements of their aircraft is probably part of a long standing and reasonable security policy, so potential terrorists cannot determine certain unique security and related operational procedures or getting the identies of Israeli or other security agents

Good for them. I'll take all the pictures of their planes I want from public property. I may even take a few notes on their operations while I'm at it. They're nothing more than a damn airline, and they surely don't dictate to me what I do and what I take pictures of. They can take their policies and shove them you-know-where. I don't have to follow their illogical rules unless I am on their planes or on their property.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:33 am

Maybe you should ask this question to George Michael!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:33 am

It really has nothing to do with security. There is nothing special about an ELAL jet. They all load and unload the same. They use the same runways and the same jetways. They just want to show you that the US government will let them control you.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:34 am

flight 105/106 stops at YYZ.

i spent about 6 hours spotting from Imperial Hill on Jan 16. included in that time frame was the arrival and departure of the El Al B762. from the Hill, i had no problems with anyone all day. i was even shooting VIDEO instead of pics. the ELY 762 looks very nice on departure from the south complex on my tape!

i've spotted at LAX numerous times, both from Imperial Hill and the In-N-Out park on Sepulveda. only once, at the In-N-Out, was i questioned by police. and..he was extremely nice about it. said someone had reported me with my camera and scanner. asked my wife and i if we were terrorists, (no, we're not) and told us to enjoy our time in LA.


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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:36 am

I love taking pictures. It is my favorite passtime. But I think I'm going to let them win. I will NOT take a picture of their stupid airplane.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:50 am

I love taking pictures. It is my favorite passtime. But I think I'm going to let them win. I will NOT take a picture of their stupid airplane.

Hey, same here, but giving up is not the solution. If anything, I will take more pictures of their planes, just to show them I'm not backing down to their cheap intimidation tricks. I'm sick of those security guards ruining our hobby, and saying it is in the interests of security.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:54 am

I have encountered MOSAD people for the very first time last October at WAW. I was at the observation deck with local photographer. We were taking pictures of airplanes when MOSAD person came (without introducing herself, but we saw that she had airport ID and EL AL ID) she asked us to stop taking pictures and to leave the deck. She got one big laugh from both of us, and said that we need permission on the paper from the airport authorities to take pictures. We started laughing again. Then she said that two EL AL airplanes will arrive shortly, and she asked very nicely not to take pictures of the airplanes when people are disembarking via stairs to buses. We told her that we don't want pictures with people anyway, we are just interested in aircraft.
She thanked us, and went few steps away to harass some 12 years old boy with point and shoot camera who was also taking pictures of airplanes  Smile
Couple of minutes later two EL AL B752s arrived.

First of all I would never erased any of my pictures because somebody told me to.
Secondly, I would argue with EL AL security and LAX police about that incident. Next time you talk to a cop use words like "harrasment, civil rights" something like that.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:07 am

She got one big laugh from both of us, and said that we need permission on the paper from the airport authorities to take pictures. We started laughing again.

 Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up


She thanked us, and went few steps away to harass some 12 years old boy with point and shoot camera who was also taking pictures of airplanes

What a s***. Probably she had read too much about 12 year old suicide bombers...  Yeah sure


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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:03 am

I was on the car park roof of the Bradley back in december. When the ELAL turned up I thought,great now i'm going to get bothered by security,but nobody showed up. Guess I got lucky!
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:46 am

I think we should all start taking photos of the ElAl security staff instead of the aircraft. Either that or carry a copy of the Koran and offer to let them read it while they are waiting  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:17 am

They hang out at EWR as well, in the terminal building. They harrass other innocent passengers looking out of the window drinking coffee by asking them to move on and especially around the gate area where the ElAl aircraft are parked. If you're not an ElAl passenger and happen to be sitting on the seats in the same waiting area you are guaranteed a questioning session and interview with inspection of your passport etc. They are beyond paranoid, totally psychotic and want special treatment for themselves and will stamp on your civil liberties with impunity.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:22 am

It seems as though they stick to the terminals at EWR, since I have never had a run-in with them outside of there. I have photographed the ElAl planes before, and never had a problem (at least with the ElAl security).

BTW Do they travel with the plane, or do they stay in the city they are guarding at? For example, do they live in LA and guard all the ElAl planes coming in, or do they go back and forth with the planes?

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:17 am

In a perfect world this would not be so.

Also in a perfect world there would be zero guns in the USofA.

I shouldn't comment upon US politics, so let's make the following statement "global":

Living in any country with more handguns than citizens I would obey to police when they are out doing their tough job trying to improve security. They have enough to look after.

Banning an airline because it is considered more hunted by terrorists than average would be the same as surrendering to terrorism.

Surrendering to terrorism is as far as I am informed not exactly present day US politics. But then, how can I know? I may be wrong. I haven't spoken to GWB about that. I didn't even have the chance to vote for him.

Sad thing that we will miss your beautiful LAX ElAl pix here at a.net. It's a question about priorities. In a free society we elect people to fix the priorities for us.

Slamming 200 years old constitutions into the face of each other is hardly the way to solve all present day challenges.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:39 am

Damn, have those El Al security guards (or "MOSAD" agents, right....) you've all gotten acquainted with been shoving objects up your asses, or are you people just naturally like that?  Insane

Either go back to kindergarten or get some therapy... Amazing, everybody always raves about teenagers around here but in this thread we can clearly see it's mostly the 26-35 Y.O.s that are acting like little bitches ("Fiiiiiiine, I don't need to take pictures of your stupid airplane, wa wa wa..."). Everybody's a big shot after the fact on an anonymous internet forum, well how about next time you actually stand up for your rights when they are being threatened, instead of running home and whining about it on your PC. This also goes for the guy who actually erased pictures off his camera because someone told him to (again back to the kindergarten thing...).


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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:39 am

No offense to anyone, but calling the EL Al security agents names and saying that they dont have any right to do what they do is just plain (plane) ignorant. How many of you have visited isreal? The fears they have are real. To whoever said that they are just doing what they do to show they can is just stupid. They are doing it because they/their airplanes/their customers are from a country where the live in constant fear of suicide bombings and terrorism and they just want to prevent their national airline from becoming one of the targets. Also, apparently their paranoia has been justified a couple times (i.e. the incident at LAX).
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:55 am

Next time you talk to a cop use words like "harrasment, civil rights" something like that.

Not a good idea... I guarantee that you will NOT be intimidating the officer!

Better idea... Why not just be polite? I'll venture to guess that the posters here who say the police just wished them a "Good Day" did not try to intimidate anyone or give them a hard time.

If you really feel that you have a complaint, go down to the station house and speak with a supervisor. It will get much better results than entering into a P***in contest with the officer.


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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:05 am

APFpilot1985
how many of us have visited Israel? this is what I mean. This is NOT Israel, this happened at LAX.
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:11 am

They are doing it because they/their airplanes/their customers are from a country where the live in constant fear of suicide bombings and terrorism and they just want to prevent their national airline from becoming one of the targets

And I am just doing what I do because our country has something called the Constitution, allowing us certain rights. I don't want some hot-head security guard from far-away Israel to come over and take my constitutional rights away, regardless of what the situation is like in Israel. You, my friend, are the ignorant one if you let these people step all over you and just accept it as a way of life.

Why not just be polite? I'll venture to guess that the posters here who say the police just wished them a "Good Day" did not try to intimidate the officers.

Best idea I have heard yet. It never hurts to just be nice, and I have seen many cops lighten up as soon as I greet them with a nice "hello" and a big smile. Having an attitude will just make them dislike you, and will probably lead to the end of your photography for the day.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:14 am

how many of us have visited Israel? this is what I mean. This is NOT Israel, this happened at LAX

Have you been there? The point is, if you were ever there, you could get an idea of why they are "paranoid". You act like this is a new thing that El Al does. They've been doing it ever since they had their hijacking incident. They have the right to protect their aircraft. If you wanted to take a picture of an armored truck carrying cash, would you argue with the guard if they asked you to leave? They simply asked you to leave the area until the flight was gone...get over it.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:16 am

They were just doing their job. They dont know that you are there just to take pictures, they have to treat it as a seroius matter. Also El Al serves Israel, which is in fact a very attacked country and those El Al security members just wanted to make sure that nothing happened to that plane. El Al is also the safest airline in the world, so they are keeping to that!
 
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:23 am

APFPilot1985......thats their problem, NOT MINE........nobody is forcing them to fly here, they are doing it on their own free will...and they will not and shall not infringe my rights because they have "security" issues....as I said, TLV, fine......but NOT in USA!!!

"Amazing, everybody always raves about teenagers around here but in this thread we can clearly see it's mostly the 26-35 Y.O.s that are acting like little bitches "

I fall within this group, and I've already encountered police and special agents...I kept my composure....and I'm a bit insulted by your asinine comments...

"The denial of taking pictures or observing the movements of their aircraft is probably part of a long standing and reasonable security policy"

I hardly call it "reasonable"...more like "paranoia"
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:23 am

The denial of taking pictures or observing the movements of their aircraft is probably part of a long standing and reasonable security policy

It's anything but reasonable. I don't understand why they're so darn concerned about people knowing "the movements of their aircraft" when they conveniently provide that information THEMSELVES via a detailed timetable of all their flights! I mean, they have a legitimate reason to be concerned about their country's security, but some measures they have taken are just too unreasonable. Yeah sure

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:31 am

Heck, why don't El Al just take their web-site of the internet because it could be considered a source for terrirosts.
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:34 am

I have been there. Vicariously, through the news. Throw a rock. Get hit by a sling shot. Use a sling shot. Get shot by a .45. Use a .45. Get hit by a bazooka. Use a bazooka. Get hit by an F16. Don't have an F16? Hijack an airliner. Fly it into a public building. Kill somebody. Anybody. Hmmm. Should I throw in a smiley face?
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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:38 am

I agree that Israel does have real problems and does have real security concerns but that will have no effect on me. When that plane enters US airspace it is under US law and there is no law banning me from taking a picture of it. I would never move from my seat or erase a picture because they asked me to. I am not exactly sure but I believe that the security agents are not even American citizens and are just here to work for ELAI meaning that a foreign citizen is trying to take away our rights in our country. This is crazy and I would fight them to the end. It would not be a good idea for them to try to put their hands on you in anyway they could be deported. Also if they are violating your rights get a lawyer and file a complaint with INS and see how that goes. No one has any right to come into America and mussel around our citizens because they come from a place where suicide bombers are a part of everyday life. Maybe if they would stop killing eachother and start acting civilized they would not have to worry about these problems, and until they do they can just stop flying here.

-I say this as an American but im sure the same would apply to all the countries that EL AI flies into. The have no right to take away your freedom either.
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Airlinerfreak
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RE: Had An Incident With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:43 am

They actually do UAL747DEN as there is nothing saying that you can't reprimand a person for the security of an aircraft. They can technically make you move since it is for the "safety" of the aircraft and the passengers on it.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:46 am

They can technically make you to move for one since it is for the "safety" of the aircraft and the passengers on it.

No, they can't. They have no authority over me or my actions. It is offensive to even suggest that these fools from Israel have the right to come prancing over here and boss us around as they see fit. I really don't care what airline they work for or what country they come from. I don't have to listen to them, and that is the bottom line.

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RE: Had An Incedent With The LAX Police Dept.

Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:23 am

Where are you guys getting the notion that its your right to photograph someone elses property? More than likely from Private property. Hell who is the TSA to tell someone they can have a gun on an airplane? Thats a violation of my second ammendment, right??
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