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Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:18 pm

On the Airbus website is says:

"Airbus has a strong presence in the key Middle East market, where its modern aircraft family consistently wins the majority of airline orders. Today, almost all of the major carriers in the Middle East have chosen to grow and modernize with Airbus aircraft"

I was checking this and it seems to be true. Or Airbus gets all the orders or Boeing only gets some as an consolation price to keep the Americans happy! I was wondering why Airbus is so popular in the Middle East. Is it only their "modern aircraft family" or are politics more important here. Airbus being European instead of American Boeings??? Or are European politicians like Chirac busy selling Airbus planes??

Any clues?

 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:31 pm

Don't ask questions like this!
It will only lead to another A vs. B war!
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Anyway, I am sure that there are several facotrs, why this is the case.
And I do not want to speculate what is acutally the #1 reason for this.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:34 pm

I think one reason is a lot of Middle East airlines went from being small and dodgy to modern relatively recently and if you're buying a whole fleet of planes (ie Tunisair, MEA, Syrianair, Qatar) it makes sense to get the most modern planes and a fleet where your pilots can fly everthing (MEA, for instance, are big benficiaries of the CCQ system, with the A321s and A330s).
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:35 pm

I would think it's because America isn't really popular in the Middle East.
The airline of the most important "ally" of the US in the Middle East prefers Boeing while most Middle Eastern airlines prefer Airbus - coincidence?

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:57 pm

Pelican:

That's not an El Al aircraft.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:02 pm

N328KF - well spotted. But Pelican is right - Israel isn't the U.S.'s most important ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is. After all, does Israel have half the world's crude oil ? Errr, no.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:17 pm

If Saudi Arabia is an ally, who needs enemies?

Anyway, to the heart of the matter—perhaps Saudi Arabian has the MRO contract on the Saudi E-3s, and so at one time it made perfect logistical sense?
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:20 pm

Well, Boeing sell their a/c for full price, and Airbus sell thei a/c virtually for free (give or take a few million $)  Big grin
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:57 pm

If Saudi Arabia is an ally, who needs enemies?

You had better ask GWB that question! Big grin

I don't think Airbus is massively more popular than Boeing in the ME.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:13 am


Maybe they dont like stuff "Made in USA" right now........

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:57 am

It's cultural. As hard as it may seem to most American, to a lot of people around the World, France is the pinacle of good. Also, in the case of the Middle East, historically these countries have always been far closer to France than the USA. In a lot of these countries, French was for a long time, and still is in some cases, their second language. So there are far more cultural ties to France than to the US, and it doesn't help matters in favor of the US that America is so hated these days. And then there's the financial aspect. Airbuses are cheaper than Boeing aircraft.
 
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:23 am

Air--

Well put. For a quick comparison because of your aforementioned statement, you and some other folks out there would probably know more about this than myself, (but not to get too far off topic), does Airbus have a large presence in SE Asian Airlines (Indochine).?


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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:24 am

Its because, like anyone else, Arabs like deep discounts on aircraft too.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:35 am

Why Airbus "is popular" in the Middle East? To me, it's got nothing to do with culture, anti-American sentiments bla bla bla...

They seem to prefer to fly to destinations with less frequency than in Europe/America for flights within the region. This is probably because the big cities there don't do a lot of time sensitive business amongst themselves, but mainly to places further away. Emirates flew or still does fly say Dubai-Cairo 1 daily using a 777-300... frequency isn't the main focus... so they seem to prefer piling up the pax onto a widebody and just fly once or twice a day.

So, they go for twin engine widebodies... Gulf Air years ago went for the 767s... Emirates started A310s, Qatar with A300-600s... This was a safe option despite their deep pockets (so cross out Kuwait Air and Saudia from the list of preferring twins).

First there was just the 767 vs A310/A300-600Rs... the next scale up is the A330-200, then the A343/A333 vs the 777. Now 2 Boeing types mentioned vs 4 Airbus types... throw the seat capacity classes then you'll see why Airbus seems popular in the Middle East.

All those 310s, 300-600s and 767s are being replaced by A332s, and they're growing capacity adds the 777(Well, seems to only be EK & KU from the gulf states...) and A343/345... no A333s as far as I remember. Then when they're ready to go to the behemoth scale, the A380 was just coming out while the 747 is "old"... so, there it goes...

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:52 am

@N328KF
If Saudi Arabia is an ally, who needs enemies?

That's what I wanted to express with the use of quotation marks "ally".
You're probably with your statement about EL AL. But may I ask you which manufacturer is preferred by EL AL?

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:02 am

I would suggest other reasons too as to the preferences now for Airbus. It wasn't until the 1970's that you really had an alternative to American company (Boeing, McD-D) made aircraft, especially larger aircraft. The EC and other Europeian countries where Airbus is based and has operations are buy a lot more oil from the Middle East as a group than the USA does. European based oil companies were among the first ones to develop the oil fields of the Middle East. There is also, the long standing trade routes through the Middle East to/from Europe. From the 1800's until in some cases the 1960's, France & the UK controlled many areas of the Middle East. These trade and political ties meant that they etablished significant and long term ties to the region. I would also suggest that the business ethics of the USA, that is limitiations on bribery and also not doing business with Israel to get business with some Middle Eastern countres also plays into this.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:07 am

". The EC and other Europeian countries where Airbus is based and has operations are buy a lot more oil from the Middle East as a group than the USA does. European based oil companies were among the first ones to develop the oil fields of the Middle East."

If you are talking about Germany or the UK, that is total bollocks.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:07 am

To give some more light on the type of traffic in the Middel East:

- Emirates flies twice to Cairo with B773's, B772's and A332's
- Saudia flies to Cairo using B744's B743's B772's, A306's up to 6 flights daily
- EgyptAir o Jeddah with B772's, A306's, and now A332's up to 6 times daily
and more examples of other routes, so it is not only piling of passengers in single flights, it is both frequency and capacity on some high density routes.

One of the reasons for Airbus' success in the Mid-East is that their planes are better matched for the medium-haul sectors flown, as A300's, A330's perform better in this market sector, the same applies for the A320 compared to the B738, its cargo capacity is more useful for the kind of passenger in our region.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:35 am

Does someone know if Saudia is thinking to buy new planes in a near future.
I am thinking at the Classic 747s and A300-600s they still operate.
Do not forget they got the very first A300-600s.
And i am not speaking of the MD90s (which are not old) which were a big political mistake.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:41 am

Why is Airbus so popular in the Middle East?

Because these guys have cash money. And with Airbus that translates into big discounrts.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:05 am

Not to appear to be anti-Boeing (I'm not), but could Airbus's popularity in the Middle East possibly be explained by the very strong (non-political!) possibility that Airbus can offer aircraft types better suited to the needs of Middle East carriers than what Boeing can offer? For most medium to longhaul flights from the Middle East, it would seem that a large twin is the ideal equipment type. A330 variants are, from what I know, more economical than their Boeing counterparts (777/767) to operate on routes such as DXB-LHR/BOM/BKK and other routes of comparable distances typical to the networks of carriers based in the Middle East.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:59 am

Well maybe because the USA are waging a war on muslims because they hold them responsible as a group for 9/11.

I would buy Airbus too!
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:20 am


Probably because it isn't all American. Also because they look nicer with ever blander liveries - MEA take note.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:44 am

As hard as it may seem to most American, to a lot of people around the World, France is the pinacle of good. Also, in the case of the Middle East, historically these countries have always been far closer to France than the USA. In a lot of these countries, French was for a long time, and still is in some cases, their second language. So there are far more cultural ties to France than to the US, and it doesn't help matters in favor of the US that America is so hated these days.

Airbazar - It seems to me you're way off the point. Sure there are many people around the world blaming the US for their foreign policy, a sentiment which may translate in preference for Airbus products but having travelled extensively "around the globe" I don't see a lot of people eyeing France as the pinnacle of good - hate for Bush certainly doesnt translate into love for Chirac. As for historical and cultural ties to France being "far" more important than to the US I beg to differ: Lebanon and Syria may have close cultural ties to France and the french do phantasize about Egypt being part of the "Francophonie" but the same does not apply to the rest of the middle east where French historical and cultural influence has been receding as much as it has in other parts of the world. You're right though when you say US foreign policy may harm Boeing and anyone familiar with Africa knows how good french diplomacy is at pushing their goods: blunt american diplomacy may have widened business oportunities for Airbus whatever the merit of its products.

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:23 am

Could it be something to do with the fact that A have always had a multi-national sales team, which includes women. B's team (& McD & L) was traditionally made up of former employees of airlines based in the USA, and their relatives, with a token national temporarily added when trying to make a specific sale.

Reading these threads, few Americans believe B miss out on sales because they didn't have the right equipment for the job, or couldn't package it correctly. The only reasons B don't sell aircraft is because A discount.

That epitomises precisely why B have missed out on sales. B used to believe what a.net posters still believe - that B always have the best product and package, and only lose an order because of discounting.

Overlooked, is their predominantly US experienced sales staff didn't listen. This is how the biggest airlines in the World do it (all US based examples naturally). Historically, the most frequently used word i've heard to describe B sales staff is arrogant.

This approach to doing business has and is changing, but there are still a lot of bridges to be re-built, especially with airlines that were previously viewed by B as (and probably were) under-funded, or mis-managed, or high risk, or all of the above.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:54 pm

This is an easy one. 'Cause Airbus is not American. They HATE anything American in the Middle East.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:09 pm

Does someone know if Saudia is thinking to buy new planes in a near future.
I am thinking at the Classic 747s and A300-600s they still operate.
Do not forget they got the very first A300-600s.
And i am not speaking of the MD90s (which are not old) which were a big political mistake.


FCKC,

Saudi Arabian Airlines will buy 15 regional jets this year. They have not specified the type yet but I hope they get the ERJ 190.

The classic 747s are still operating and will continues for several years since most of them have very low cycles. And let us not forget the fuel is relatively cheap here in Saudi Arabia.
The A300-600 will be retired by the end of 2006. No decision has been made on their replacment. I hope to see SV choose the 787!

I totally agree with you that the MD90 was a poor decision, or shall I say a politically forced decision.

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:15 pm

The reason why Boeing are not as popular in the ME than Airbus is because Airbus have marketed themselves a lot better than Boeing in the ME. Boeing have not been very interested in the Middle East (compared to Airbus) and the same thing goes for East Asia. Boeing have done a much better job than Airbus in marketing themselves in East Asia.
Plus, airbus aircraft suit regional needs in the Middle East, that and a lot of DISCOUNTS
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:24 pm

"Well maybe because the USA are waging a war on muslims because they hold them responsible as a group for 9/11.

I would buy Airbus too!"

Hey A380900 - your above comment was really uncalled for, and off-topic. I have suggested deletion.

Does anyone know what fleet Kuwait Airways has? In my one experience with them (LHR to KWI in December '03) I was on a 777.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:49 pm

As far as I can tell A & B are fairly even in the ME. Even in the pro-USA days (Imperial regime) of Iran, IR bought A300s in addition to lots of B707,727,737 and 747. In the anti-USA era, IR had a MOU to buy 14 737-486s before the Clinton administration pulled the plug back in 1994. As a native of ME I can tell you that the choice of the aircraft has a hell of lot more to do with business than politics. Heck, if the sanctions were not in place, IR probably would be a launch customer for the 787!
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:52 pm

Airways6max....do you have ANY idea what you are talking about??? Where are your facts? Unless you bring up any facts to support your asinine comment, I recommend you shutting your gob.....

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:22 pm

Maybe the Middle East is a bit far away From the USA.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:36 pm

This is an easy one. 'Cause Airbus is not American. They HATE anything American in the Middle East.

Have you actually ever been anywhere near the ME? I can only assume you haven't because of the utter tosh you're writing.  Insane

As many people in the ME love America as "hate" America. If you adopted a slightly different foreign policy in the region, you might find the balance dramatically improved in your favour. Most people's bitch is with American politics, not the American people. Yes, there is a small minority of extremists who hate and blame the US for everything, but they are just that - a minority. Every society in the World has its extreme minorities that in no way represent the majority.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:46 pm

Very simple:
* you have 2 good products, f.e. A and B (or maybe 3 f.e. A, B and C) and they have very good quality
* price for the planes are almost the same

you can choose without a grain of salt.

If a plane type fits 100 % fit to your company and the other plane type from a competitor only fits to 98 %, you will always find a reason how to "downgrade" the 100 % and to "upgrade" the 98 %.
This is what LY does, this is what QR is doing. That's nothing unusual. I wanted to buy a VW Polo but the Opel Corsa is little cheaper. I always find a reason why I buy the Polo.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:56 pm

"This is an easy one. 'Cause Airbus is not American. They HATE anything American in the Middle East"

what the hell are you talking about? You're just provoking unnecessary political bs into the aviation world. You need to consider that some airlines are not state run, and some airlines are private, and this will affect the ties between nations. Also have you even looked at the past of airlines in the middle east? Here is a quick list off the top of my head of airlines that have had/have Boeing or American products, i implore you to reconsider your opinion about the middle east, middle easterners are people too, we dont just HATE anything that's american, you really need to get into the 3D world from 2D....

Turkish Airlines - B707, Dc9, DC10, B727-200F, B737-400/800/500
MEA - B747-200, B707
Iraqi - 737-200
Syrian Arab - B727, 747SP
Saudia - Tristars, 747-1-/400, 737-200
Gulf Air - B767, B737-200, B747-200
Emirates - 747 (cargo) B777,
Royal Jordanian - 747. 727

i could keep going but these are what i could remember off my head, so obviously they lack certain details....
So where is the factual link to this statement that they hate americans blah blah...that statement is so overused and quite frankly, i think it's just an excuse now to do and say whatever you want, similar to a lost cause.
There have been times where Arab- American relations have been worse in the 70s and also in the 80s, but they were still buying american planes, im sure that if there was that much hatred, we wouldnt be seeing all these Boeings around here.

Airbus has stepped up production and opened up into many new markets in the last 10 years that boeing had already been in, and with Boeing not producing new families, but rather developing existing ones, Airbus gave the middle east a fresh set of options with the A340/A330 and this is no surprise why these a/c have become quite popular...

so i ask you again? political hatred? or slow evolution of the airline industrie?
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:07 pm

Years ago I worked for a multinational company with US origins, I remember the comments by many customers about the attitude of our salesmen, and the way the salesmen talk about the customers '' We're the best, customers come to us, we don't go after them'', maybe this has worked for years before the competition caught up with them but it is taking generations to accept the competitive idea. It seems that the American culture in the sales area is the same regardless of the products involved.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:29 pm

A lot of what you guys are saying is wrong about cultural links being the cause, etc. Boeing has sold many aircraft to ME airlines in the past, and today it still does, even if not as much as Airbus does. This is probably because Airbus offers better options for the short and medium haul sector in the ME than Boeing, but I dont think its got anything to do with politics.

QR is considering B787s and used to operate B722s, Emirates flies B777s on a large scale, Saudi Arabian has a lot of Boeing aircraft, Syrianair operates B722s, RJ is considering B737s and used to operate L1011s and B727s before they renewed their fleet with Airbus, Gulf Air flies B767s, EgyptAir flies B772s, B737s, and other American made aircraft. Hell, even Iraqi Airways used to operate B732s and B722s but no Airbuses before the Gulf War.

Basically, virtually all Arab carriers operated Boeing at one time or operates Boeing today, starting from small ones such as Oman Air with their B738s to Qatar Airways who used to operate 727s to Royal Air Maroc who still operate a lot of Boeing aircraft. Boeing might not be as popular today due to Airbus providing better options, but a lot of American aircraft have been operated in the past. The Arab airlines are just going with whoever has whats best for them (with the exception of SV, who go for planes depening on political pressure), and whoever gives them the best deal.

Airways6max,
This is an easy one. 'Cause Airbus is not American. They HATE anything American in the Middle East.

You are very mistaken. All Arab governments have close links with the US, and we use A LOT of US made products here in the Middle East. I am typing on an American-made keyboard right now, my MP3 player is American, I have an American car parked im my garage. Don't make that assumption, because it isnt correct.

Aydin,
Just to add to your list:
Oman Air: B738
Qatar Airways: B722
Saudi: Also operates MD90
Iraqi: Also B722, B707
Royal Jordanian: Also Tristar
Yemenia: B722
Air Algiere: B738
Royal Air Maroc: B737s, B767s
Palestinian Airlines: B722s
Lybian Arab Airlines: B722s

These are off the top off my head, so theres plenty missing. These are either being currently operated or were operated in the past, so its not a complete list and its not the state most Arab airlines are in today.

The different Iranian airlines also operate large amounts of Boeing aircraft such as 747s, although they are mostly old aircraft.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:20 pm

First of all I don't agree that the decision for buying aircrafts is purely politics ,but it's the marked .Airbus nowadays offer better prices for newer aircrafts .There was a rumor that KU got two offers from B & A ,the Airbus offer was for A340/A330 while the Boeing offer was for B777/B737/B767 and it was less aircrafts / higher prices ,and yet the whole thing has stopped and I do think it was this little political part .

Both companies still have some deals in the region ,of coarse Airbus is more popular now for some reason mainly sales and marketing .While airbus are doing their best as far as marketing is concerned ,Boeing doesn't make an effort to increase their market in the region and would agree that they keep saying as SU184 mentioned : '' We're the best, customers come to us, we don't go after them''

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"Does anyone know what fleet Kuwait Airways has? In my one experience with them (LHR to KWI in December '03) I was on a 777"
KU now only two B777 and is has 5 A300/3 A310/4 A340/3 A320 ...and there is 1 B744 royal fleet which operate sometimes with the airline .

Finally please stop the nonsense about anti-American or anti-Boeing in the region ,as it's not what drive the companies to go for Airbus ,but the reason has already been mentioned.

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:30 pm

SV777KiloAlpha

Many thanks for your answer.
That's the kind of answer i like to get.Giving informations that were not known before.
SV buying ERJ 190s (Maybe) is a new info.

If A300-600s leave the fleet at the end of 2006 , they can't be remplaced by 787s as this plane will enter service , not before 2008.
If really they want 787s , so they must get an interim plane.
And as you said oil price is cheap at yours (Very lucky !!!) , why not going to the A330 (200 or 300) , which is a very advanced plane , but surely burns a little more fuel than the 787.
Anyway i have the feeling , the decision will be once more political , and that Oncle SAM will be the weanner.Saudi monarchy can't avoid Americans.
Europeans come after.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:40 pm

Strange that people don´t mention the Tupolevs, Illjysins, Yakolevs and Antonovs,
the sales of former Soviet passenger planes has gone down a lot in the ME and replacement are often Airbus or Boeing, only exception I think is the Tu-204.
It can also be political reasons behind, due to war in Chechenya, even though
countries like Libya and UAE bought AN-124s as cargo-haulers.
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:41 pm

FCKC,

The news from inside the airline is that the RJs will be stationed in Hail (OEHL) in the north and Abha (OEAB) in the south. These two airports will become hubs to serve all the airports in north and south of the Kingdom. This will free most of the MD90s used on direct flights from (JED, RUH, DMM) to the northen and southern cities. The freed MD90s will be used to open new destinations in the region and to increase frequencies between the three major international airports (Jeddah, Riyadh, and Dammam).

I would assume that SV is not currently thinking of a replacement for the A300, since the 777 and MD90 will cover its routes in the future. I do hope that they buy the A330 or the B787. Since relations between the US and KSA has rough in the past few years, I would not think that there will be political pressure from the US on KSA to buy from Boeing. From my point of view, both manufacturers have excellent products.

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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:43 am

Thanks SV777KiloAlpha.
Yes as you said BOTH manufacturers have excellent products.
Keep us informed of what you hear about the future fleet plan of SV.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:15 am

NYCFlyer,

Stop asking for deletion of posts.

This shows how intolerant some Americans have become with statements that challenge their world views. This is my way of thinking. Deal with it. It is not an insult, it is a point of view. And be sure a lot of people around the world think like me.

If you cannot stand the diverse points of views of people from around the world, stay tune on Fox News and don't venture into international forums.

Besides, my post was right on topic. How would you argue it was off topic? I would be curious to hear that!

[Edited 2005-01-29 19:19:12]
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:54 am

A380900 - It was off-topic because your statement was less about Middle Eastern purchases of Boeing, than your own biased beliefs that none of us need to hear about.
There's a big difference between saying American policies aren't popular from a Middle Eastern perspective, and could be a reason for fewer Boeing purchases, than injecting your personal views with an untrue blanket statement that I'm not going to repeat. Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.
And there is nothing "intolerant" about me. I am no big fan of U.S. policies myself. But you cannot inject inflammatory, sweeping statements like that in an a.net posting. I'm not saying any more on this subject.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:40 am

To add to yuor lists - ELAL is entirely Boeing. Now as it recently has changed to private ownership, maybe it will start using Airbus as political considerations fall away.
 
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RE: Why Is Airbus So Popular In The Middle East?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:16 am

You're right to stop the discussion because you are, like your entire country, on shaky grounds.

As for being inflammatory... You should be wiser in choosing your words. For my words are less inflammatory than most weapons in the US arsenal.

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