kaitak
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UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:39 am

UPS is to add 11 MD11s to its fleet, currently operated by Swiss.

Deliveries to start as soon as planes are converted and painted.

This brings UPS's MD11 fleet to 26.
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:31 am

Great news!!! so the 777LR MD-11 replacement is falls afterall.


better Cargo MD-11 than sitting job-less in the desert
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:32 am

MauriceB:

The 777F has been available for only a couple of months and you call it a "failure?" 5X hasn't even said that they were or were not interested in the 777F.
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:16 am

Actually the rumor of 777's at UPS is alive and well. We were going to get these MD-11's anyway, it's just that Boeing was having a hard time finding airframe to procure for us as FedEx is aggressively purchasing most of the available ones.

The MD-11 at UPS is an interim airframe. Supposedly we have a firm deal with Boeing for 25 747-400SF's and are actively negotiating for 777F's.
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:30 am

Cool...glad to see some still good not so old Mad Dogs to continue flying for a long time to come! It is amazing that the DC-10/MD-11 has had a unique second life as a major cargo aircraft. Who thought that would happen 15-35 years ago? Must be something in the McD-D genetic line, look at the long life of use of the DC-3's & DC-9's. Maybe they built their a/c too good!
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:18 am

~" FedEx is aggressively purchasing most of the available ones."~

The odd thing about these Swiss MD11s is that FedEx was going to get these birds originally. I wonder why they passed on the deal..

Good news for UPS..
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:34 am

Perhaps the manufacturer selling Swissair's MD11 replacements was instrumental in the deal?
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:30 pm

Once question,

How can UPS add 11 MD-11's operated by SWISS when they don't operate any??
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:45 pm

OK, OK, my mistake; I should, of course, have said "formerly operated by Swiss".

The fact that Fed Ex and UPS are looking around for MD11s should surely encourage the likes of Varig and Finnair to look towards replacing these aircraft with newer models.
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:51 pm

The 777F has been available for only a couple of months and you call it a "failure?" 5X hasn't even said that they were or were not interested in the 777F.

reed it again, i never said failure. i said as an MD-11 replacement. please read everything twice before posting
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:38 pm

This is a smart business move by UPS as instead of wasting money on a $ 200 million B 777-200LRF, they can buy 6 MD 11Fs for that same price!!! Plus these machines of LX are just 12 years old so they can easily last another 7-10 years with UPS.

I dont think so UPS should go for the A 380F as of now as theyre plenty of cheaply available B 744s which can be converted into the Special Freighter program.

 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:08 pm

"I dont think so UPS should go for the A 380F as of now as theyre plenty of cheaply available B 744s which can be converted into the Special Freighter program."

They were strongly motivated to go with the A380 in order to salvage the deposits for the 35+ A300s on firm order that were cancelled as part of the A380F order. IMO, the A380 probably makes more sense as a package freighter for UPS than the 744SF.
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:48 pm

How many carriers DC10 and MD11 fleets has 5X taken now? Three?

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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:34 am

Yes three, Vasp, JAL, and now Swiss. It is supposedly a done deal for 25 747-400SF's, they ARE coming, plus UPS is still actively looking at the 777F. Don't be surprised at all to see the MD-11, 747-100/200, 747-400SF, 777F and the A380F in the long haul fleet at UPS together.
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:12 am

As a fellow SDF'r, I can't wait to see the new big equipment!
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:31 am

UPS is going to be a monster in the international package market in ~10 years or so. I can't wait, long live the brown!

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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:11 am

Supposedly we have a firm deal with Boeing for 25 747-400SF's

Why operate the A380F and the B747-400SF side by side?

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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:18 am

because A380F will have 40tons more payload than the B747-400SF

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BrowntailWhale
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:22 am

And you can buy 4 -400's for the price of one 380!
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:29 am

>This is a smart business move by UPS as instead of wasting money on a $ 200 million B 777-200LRF<

Wasting? I would not call the longest ranged, highest payload to weight heavy freighter available a waste of anything.

>Why operate the A380F and the B747-400SF side by side?<

The 744 has better payload to weight ratio than the A380 and the A380 has more total space

>UPS is going to be a monster in the international package market in ~10 years or so. I can't wait, long live the brown!<

They already are

Looks like the ONT ramp will finally see newer 747s
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:31 am

UPS is still flying the 747-100F and those are over 30 years old!
I saw one take-off yesterday at KIX and it used the FULL 3,500m runway. Even better than those A343 take-offs.

UPS operated 3 ex-VASP MD-11s, will soon have all 10 ex-JL MD-11s, and 11 ex-LX MD-11s. This adds up to 24. Where are the other two coming from? DL?
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:34 am

intresting to know how many of the freight that UPS moves in this moment are packages and express shipments due the orders of this big machines. All integrators are filling up the aircrafts with very bad payed consolidation aircargo shipments.

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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:23 pm

UPS currently operates 3 ex-VASP, 2 ex-Varig, and 8 ex-JAL MD-11's. This year UPS will put into operation the last 2 ex-JAL's and 2 ex-Varig MD-11's. The first 2 ex-Swiss MD-11's will be put into operation late this year with the remaining 9 coming into the system by 2007.
That will make 28 MD-11's in the fleet.
The rational for cutting the A300 order and ordering the A380's are two fold. With increasing competition domestically, there is pressure to continually improve service while keeping costs down. So the company is relying more on long distance trucking with driver teams, so the transit time remain the same as air with lower costs.
Frequencies into China are still very much controlled by the Chinese government, so the only way to increase capacity into China is to operate airplanes with higher cargo loads. Competition is heavy, but everyone is operating with the same restrictions while attempting to get more frequencies into more cities in China. The potential for every operator, both Chinese and foreign is tremendous; even with the limitations and only a relatively few Chinese using these services, growth will be the highest of any region in the world.
 
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RE: UPS To Take Swiss MD11s

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:35 am

MauriceB:

Since you put it that way...

How about: MD-11Fs are available now (or in the near future), and 777Fs are still about 4 years out? It's the same reason the Chinese ordered 20 dead-end A330s instead of 787s or A350s.
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