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A320 Freighter

Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:52 pm

Just a thought since the earliest A320 planes are around 17 years old (delivered around 1988). Is there market for such an A320 freighter ? There are still a lot of 727 freighters around. Or will the likely replacement of the 727 freighters mostly done with 737-300s and -400s. Will the A320 be a suitable freighter ?
Your thoughts please !!
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:51 pm

Certainly the A320 at one point or another will become a freighter. The key being a drop in values for used A320s which added to a conversion cost would make the idea feasible.
Currently even older A320s have relatively high values which preclude any firm from considering investing in a conversion program. Even the oldest A320-100s are still flying with BA and Air France, with no plans for retirement.

The next wave of smaller narrow bodies conversions are primarily centered on the Boeing 737 (300/400 series), with several conversion firms on the market. A potential likely aircraft following the B737 could be the MD-80. The market values of MD-80s have dropped which could be appealing for conversions. This would be especially true if a significant group of airframes are released onto the market from a large operator like American Airlines which would further depress rates and provide for a large pool of aircraft.
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:56 pm

Hello,

I posted a topic on this a long time ago, Unfortuantly It has not survied this long , LOL.

I would love to see a A320 Freighter. I don;t know about a MS-80, Wouldn't that be too small, as in height.


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RE: A320 Freighter

Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:06 pm

I think we will see the A320 Freighter in the future maybe 5 years?
We will also see the MD-80 Freighter, there are enough DC-9 Freighter arround, with the same cabin as the MD-80 has.

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RE: A320 Freighter

Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:09 pm

An A320 freighter will happen one day but the A320 is such a great aircraft that even the oldest machines in service with Air France and BA remain frontline passenger carriers and also technologically superior to the 737NG. I think it'll be another decade before we see A320s being converted to haul freight.

I guess there'll be an MD80 freighter although the narrow cabin width is a pain in the arse and will always come second to the 707 cabin dimensions and specs Boeing used (and still use) on the 737.
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:00 am

I don't think the MD80 will become a succesful freighter, just like the DC-9 hasn't really broken through the cargo market. Compared to other narrow body cargo aircraft, the number of DC-9 freighters I think is much smaller. An explaination for this could be what Cedarjet already mentioned, the narrow body of the DC-9/MD80. Every space available in an aircraft means money in the aviation and air cargo industry. So why would a cargo airline operate a DC-9 and/or MD80 freighter when it could operate a 'larger' cargo aircraft (which has a slightly wider fuselage), in this case the 737 or A320 (if it come available as a converted freighter). Every inch is important in the air cargo industry.

It would be nice to see a A320 freighter flying around, but like the others already have said, I think this will be a long way from now. The A320 is still very suitable as a passenger aircraft for many years to come.

Good thread though Columba. I never thaught about a A320 full freighter but it could happen...  Big thumbs up

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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:40 am

I think if some A320 will hit the "magic" 20 years we will see some freighters.
What are likely A320 cargo customers ? I could think of UPS and maybe Lufthansa Cargo for intra European routes.
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:37 am

The good answer is this coming from Laxintl.
It's too early for an A320F.
This plane has too much value on the second hand market for passenger purpose , even the oldest.
L'aeropostale some months or even some years ago has thought about an A320F , but found the purchase or leased price was too high , and turned to the 737-300F.
Maybe in one decade.
 
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:43 am

to reply 5, it is totally correct that there are not a lot of DC9 freighter, because they are still flying for NW.... lol
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:47 am

There have been rumors floating around of an A320 cargo conversion emerging in 2005 or 2006. More and more 733s are being converted nowadays and I doubt Airbus will just hand the market over to them.

For the MD-80 conversion, I doubt it. Its engines are too loud (though stage 3) for night ops, especially with Stage 4 restrictions looming. The other problem is that with the narrow cabin width, the pallets/igloos would have to be broken down and repacked to maximize utilization on any larger aircraft. Remember, most of these conversions will go to companies that will use the smaller aircraft as feeders for larger aircraft. The labor and time costs of repacking a larger pallet to MD-80 (for distribution) makes it an unlikely candidate, except for a single fleet type operator (e.g. using purely MD-80s). I would imagine loading the cargo may be tricky as well (avoiding tailstands).
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:51 am

I don't think the MD80 will become a succesful freighter, just like the DC-9 hasn't really broken through the cargo market. Compared to other narrow body cargo aircraft, the number of DC-9 freighters I think is much smaller. An explaination for this could be what Cedarjet already mentioned, the narrow body of the DC-9/MD80. Every space available in an aircraft means money in the aviation and air cargo industry. So why would a cargo airline operate a DC-9 and/or MD80 freighter when it could operate a 'larger' cargo aircraft (which has a slightly wider fuselage), in this case the 737 or A320 (if it come available as a converted freighter). Every inch is important in the air cargo industry.

True. Also most MD-8Xs get snapped up as pax planes as soon as they are retired by anoher carrier. Quality stuff. This will probly change when AA finally decide to retire their fleet. 350 over 10 years might just be too much for the market to absorb.
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:24 am

EADS was prepared to begin converting A320s and A321s to freighters in 2004, but I think the demand slipped for domestic capacity worldwide.

I am sure the drawings can be dusted off when people start snapping up more domestic freighters again, but as 5X showed with their desire to change capacity from the AB6 to the 380, it might be a while.

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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:46 am

>EADS was prepared to begin converting A320s and A321s to freighters in 2004, but I think the demand slipped for domestic capacity worldwide.<

The trend in smaller domestic freighters lately has been 733/734 sized planes. The A320 and certainly the A321 are both much bigger than those planes. The A319, which is the same size as the 733, is way too young to be converted at this point.
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RE: A320 Freighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:02 pm

I think the A320 would be a Good Freighter,Hopefully the Cargo conversion can be carried out Economically.
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