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All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:41 am

It is referred to as "Eurowhite" but the first airline with an all white livery as far as I remember was PANAM in the mid 80s. Did PANAM started the all white livery or another airline?
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:53 am

Western Airlines.... waaayyyy back before PA
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:56 am

Actually it was Air West. Very short lived before the merger to become Hughes Air west
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:59 am

Indian Airlines back in 1970.

Quite radical for its time, especially coming from a State run carrier.
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:01 am

If I remember correctly I believe it was Air France (hence the Euro since many european airlines followed suit) it was first revelaed when Concorde went into service for them.
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:03 am

Again, there are no pics of Air West in the Data base, however they had a "Euro White" livery in the 1960's. This one is under AA from 1971.

I don't recall AI having a white livery in the 70's.


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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:13 am

Well, I did a bette search and found these, well before Air France "euro white."



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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:41 am

Thanks! I was living in CCS at the time that PA changed its livery and it looked very nice; so common these days that it has become quite boring IMO. BTW Dtwcklipper interesting picture with the AA 747-100 in the background.
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:06 am

I think by all white he means no stripe on the fuselage. Western did have an all white fuselage but it had a red stripe.
 
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:34 am

My 1st thought was Air France, but I suppose "technically" AirWest was the 1st "Eurowhite" liverysince that was back in the 60s, and AF came out with theirs later on.
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:12 pm

How about Texas International?


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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:14 pm

CougarAviator:

We are talking "euro white"....there is a cheatline on the Texas Air Dc-9!

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:54 pm

So I guess it should be called "AirWest white"!
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:58 pm

don't recall AI having a white livery in the 70's.

Your probably referring to Air-India (AI).
Jaysit said Indian Airlines not Air India.

But IC has a light grey coloured bottom half....I wonder if it would qualify as a 'eurowhite' livery.

This is the oldest IC pic I could find on A.net

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:40 pm

VictorTango;

I realized that almost as soon as I said it. But, I can't find any Indian Airlines pics that are older either, even on their website history section.

So, was there all white design from the 60's?

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:23 pm

DTWclipper, This is what I found...



This livery was probably used in the 60's.



This is a 1964 timetable. Has the image of the aircraft in the old livery.



This is the 1970 timetable. This has the new corporate identity.

So I guess we can presume that the current livery has been there since 1970.

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:10 pm

Aaaaah, you youngsters. "Eurowhite" as in "European"? As in French? As in... (drumroll please) ... UTA? Union de Transport Aeriens? How does 1977 for a full-white body and blue tail strike you? (There are earlier white ones at UTA, but I remember watching the UTA Dc10s roll past me at CDG in -- eeek -- 1977.

Here's a nice shot of the livery...


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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:52 am

Wow - the VW Rabbit and the Fiat in this picture almost made me think this was Europe in 1977, not Long Beach!
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:18 am

Okay guys, this one is really really simple.

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AND that is the reason it is called "eurowhite" and not American white or Asian white etc etc.

Now.... in order to be euro white, the aircrafts WHOLE body must be white.
No grey belly's, or metal bellys, even if it is only a small amount at the very bottom. SO that discredits company's like Air West and Texas international from being the first (and it means company's like CO, DL and Lufthansa don't have eurowhite today either)

The eurowhite scheme was introduced by Air France just before the commencement of Supersonic concorde flights (and hence those lovely white delta wings) and was first flown on the Airbus A300-B2. The first flight was from CDG to LHR, and hence at the time, the press coined the term Eurowhite.

 
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:29 am

Sorry, Lufthansa, the popular Euro white color scheme was seen on UTA flights before AF even thought about their change.

I can remember my school book for French language and there were pictures of AF Caravelle and 727 with old color scheme.

UTA already had the incredible green doors and white body.

Nothing as boring as a plane with window stripes - unbeleavable that some airlines still have them.
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:40 am

I have to agree with Lufthansa. When reading the title of this thread I immediately was thinking of Air France, as they were the first airline that introduced an all-white fuselage. This is why they are called "euro-white".

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:54 am

UTA has billboard titles and the blue stripe at the back so surley that counts against it being Euro-White.

I too think it would be Air France but then again I wasn't around in the 60's and '70s  Big grin

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:03 am

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Have a good look at the UTA scheme.... I don't think you've looked closely enough at it. For instance, this picture was taken in 1978, clearly showing a metal bottom (grey in some instances) making this NOT a eurowhite scheme....sure, they didn't have a cheatline, but they weren't a eurowhite scheme. ( I might point out that there were electra's and DC-6's that had white tops to help keep the cabin cooler bright sunlight. )


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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:03 am

Didn't they have to make the concorde all white so it could reflect more heat and therefore operate at Mach 2.0

Any other colour and the skin would heat up too much, thats why the blue pepsi concorde was limited to Mach 1.7

Is this why Air France went all white with the rest of the fleet?
 
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:08 am

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YES you're right, I had forgotten totally about!!!!!! Which is exactly why they introduced the Scheme right before the Concorde flights started!!!!!!!!

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:17 am

I'd still say Indian Airlines.

In spite of the grey belly, it had a predominantly white fuselage, without any of the characteristic embellishments associated with liveries at the time (cheat lines, etc.).
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:19 am

Thought so.

Personally I like Air France's livery, don't think it needs to be changed.
 
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:22 am

I clearly remember in the 70's the AF Concorde performing a low altitude flight over CCS wearing an all white livery with the characteristic AF black "arrow" on the tail. I was 11 at the time. Time flies. What a great day that was.
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:07 pm

Dear ViasaMSY:

I was at the airport at that time; 6years old. My father flew for LAV. Then the Concorde was parked beside a VIASA DC-8 at the old terminal building. My father's copilot turned at him and said: "There they are... two great supersonic transports at Venezuela". (A Douglas DC-8 for Canadian Pacific flew over Mach 1 at a shallow dive during trials; upon introduction to service) My father has a photo of this moment at CCS but I don't know where it is. As far as I know, white is used on fuselage to dissipate heat.
 
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:10 pm


BALandorLivery:

'Personally I like Air France's livery, don't think it needs to be changed.'

Yes it is nice but only if they would give their fleet a wash every now again.  Big thumbs up
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:10 pm

Air West was very white evidence the photos then there was Air France with similar.



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Then AF went to all white. As for Indian Airlines it was grey just under the bottom doorline so we can discount them certainly.

All white is all white so I guess it's AF.
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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:03 pm

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RE: All White Livery..Which Airline Was The First?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:16 am

Well, if you want an allwhite fuselage, AF is probably the winner. However, to me, all these white birds with more or less grey on the bottom are at least as boring. LH for example has one of the most boring liveries I can think of.

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