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NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:13 am

Tim Clark , CEO of EK , declared yesterday at Dubai that he considers both 787 and A350 (all versions) too small for him.
Which plane does he look for ?
 
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:15 am

He seems to like the A380.

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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:23 am

Considering they basically have brand-new A332s. Why?
 
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:28 am

Perhaps for their forecasted route uses, they would have had to buy many products which can result in a space expenditure at airports; or buy a bigger one. Remember not all carriers follow along what a manufacturer forecasts, it is usually the other way around. Thesedays companies try to be a step ahead to retain the maximum value for their product, giving their customers what they want and when they want it.

I.e. A380 might be a bit ahead, and thus so far, fit into Emirates' idea of the future or their potential uses, same with SQ and anyone that purchse that plane.

ANA purchased 50 some odd 787's for their potential uses, it goes with the territory.
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:16 pm

Hmmm... that's an odd, blanket- type statement. NEITHER the 350 NOR the 787 are large enough? Then it sounds like we've got an order for more 777s and 330s coming.
I really don't think what he said makes sense.
 
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:54 pm

What doesn't make sense?

He'll prefer the 777 and A340-600.

Pretty simple.

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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:01 pm

ANA ordered the 7E7 because by the late this decade the 763s will be a high-cycle airframe and requires replacement. 763s aren't typically used for 6 or 7 rotations a day. Of course, the long-range version of the 7E7 will open up new routes.

EK will continue to use A332 to open up new markets and once traffic is established, they are replaced with larger 777s or A340s.
Of course in due time, the A332 will have to replaced but not just yet.

 
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:08 pm

In light of the previous statements saying he wanted a 7E7^H^H^H787 with 290 seat capacity and 8300nm range, it was clear that neither the A359 or 787-9 were going interest him.

That said, I would think a smaller craft like the 787 series would be better for opening up new routes, and replacing with a higher capacity craft like the 777 or A345/6 if demand warrants it.

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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:23 pm

>>>"Of course, the long-range version of the 7E7 will open up new routes.
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This confuses me everytime I read it. Which came first? The airlines' need for the range or Boeing deciding to add range to give airlines more options? It gives me the impression Boeing may actually have this market by the balls, like what they say goes, in terms of what gets built.

Is it that people dream until the technology come around, or do the dreamers come up with the technology? Who's controlling who? Markets are not supposed to be controlled.

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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:30 pm

EKs A 332s started to get delivered in 1995-96 so some of them are nearing 10 years of service with the airline and that means phasing out will be done within 3-4 years for this type.

You can bet your life that EK will be ordering the larger versions of the B 787 or A 350 in the future as a replacement for their A 330-200s.

EK CEOs Tim Clark mentioned that he doesnt want a B 787-900 seating 3 class configured pax with 257 seats only...he wants 290 seats for a 3 class layout!!! I guess then the best option for him is the A 350-900 seating 3 class pax in a 287 seat layout.

 
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:47 pm

A few years back, Mr Clark announced that EK is already outgrowing the A332 and that this type will be retired from the fleet as soon as the first A380s start arriving. The last A332 should leave the fleet, according to that statement, in 2010 (I think).

The smallest aircraft in the fleet will be a Boeing 777-300.
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:41 pm

EK CEOs Tim Clark mentioned that he doesnt want a B 787-900 seating 3 class configured pax with 257 seats only...he wants 290 seats for a 3 class layout!!! I guess then the best option for him is the A 350-900 seating 3 class pax in a 287 seat layout.


But he wanted 8300nm range, which the currently specified A350-900 doesn't give him. It seems that EK wants more than a more efficient A343/772ER replacement, something cheaper and somewhat less capable than the A345/772LR.
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:44 pm

The smallest aircraft in the fleet will be a Boeing 777-300.

Not quite - they have one A310, plus 772s, A343s and A345s (all of which are smaller than the 773!)  Smile
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:21 pm

Quote : EKs A 332s started to get delivered in 1995-96 so some of them are nearing 10 years of service with the airline and that means phasing out will be done within 3-4 years for this type.



I am sorry to tell you that your info is wrong. EK took delivery of her first A332 in between 2000 and 2001. Their oldest A332 in EK's fleet is only 5-6 years old.
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:27 pm

EK took delivery of her first A332 in between 2000 and 2001

Actually, make that 1999. March 10 to be precise.
 
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:29 pm

I am sorry to tell you that your info is wrong. EK took delivery of her first A332 in between 2000 and 2001. Their oldest A332 in EK's fleet is only 5-6 years old.

I fear that is wrong as well. Emirates' first A332, A6-EKQ, is a 1998 model and was delivered in March 1999. Average A330 fleet age is around four years.


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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:31 pm

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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:28 am

Not quite - they have one A310, plus 772s, A343s and A345s (all of which are smaller than the 773!

They have now, they won't then, except the A345s which were not even ordered when the article was published, in Aviation Business if I recall correctly.

The A310 is leaving in May, the 772s are aging and will surely leave by 2010 and the A343s were leased only two years ago. They will remain in the fleet for another six years.

I'm not even going to comment on EK's A345 fleet...
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:18 am

Wow, looks like Emirates could be ordering additional A380's & 777's in the future.
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:47 am

EKs A 332s started to get delivered in 1995-96 so some of them are nearing 10 years of service with the airline and that means phasing out will be done within 3-4 years for this type.

I mean, didn't the 332 first fly in 1998? Hard to have planes from 95 and 96.

A few years back, Mr Clark announced that EK is already outgrowing the A332 and that this type will be retired from the fleet as soon as the first A380s start arriving.

This is logic I can't buy. First off, there are some Indian and Mid East airports where the larger planes have a hard time.

Second, opening a brand new speculative market with a 350 seat plane is bad business and Mr. Clark knows it.

There are going to be airports for which they always need a 250 seat plane.

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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:21 am

The 787 & A350 may well be too small for the unprecedented expansion Mr. Clark anticipates. EK already has a large (29), relatively new fleet of A332s which can be deployed for the secondary routes/missions Gigneil described. Otherwise, Mr. Clark's vision, based on his public utterances, seems to be to supersize everything else.
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:03 am

I think it's much more likely that EK will be getting more 777-300's in both normal and ER versions. The 787 and A350 are too small for EK's needs.
 
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RE: NO 787/A350 For Emirates?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:11 am

You won't see any 773A's the whole point in getting the ER's was primarly for the takeoff performance and not the range.