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Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:20 am

I thought Northwest Airlines is an American airline. If so then why is there so many in AMS:


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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:24 am

Yes, we are a US carrier. Our large numbers at AMS are because of our long-standing alliance with KLM.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:25 am

Is this a real question or is it april 1st?

Yes,NW is an American question and have quite a few daily flights to/from AMS.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:25 am

I wonder if their big affiliation with KLM has something to do with it... I've noticed at my airport, that NW's counter terminals have a screen saver on it that switches back and forth between "NWA" and "KLM".
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:30 am

AA has a lot of flight to/from LHR. Does that make American British?
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:12 am

NW and KL conducted what was the closest thing to an actual merger, without actually conducting one. There was even stock cross-ownership at one point. They share the profits on many routes. Now that AF is in the picture, we'll see what happens.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:38 am

Northwest flies from AMS to the following places.

Bombay 2X daily DC10
Boston 1X daily A330
Detroit 3x daily A330
Memphis 1x daily DC10
Minneapolis 3X daily DC10.

That's a lot of DC10 flights, all daily.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:48 am

Yep, of course Northwest is an American-based airline and business. I thought that maybe someone was gonna harp on about their fairly large purchase of Airbus equipment, ha ha. I do know that Amsterdam is a huge hub for them, and they were using a lot of DC-10 equipment which is now being gradually phased out, or so I understand.

It was not THAT long ago when the airline was known as Northwest Orient, and they did a lot of routes to the Far East, but were certainly not known as an Asian airline. When I was in my early 20's, a guy next door to me was a B 747 first officer who flew to the Far East quite often. I flew them frequently around the US Northwest during the 80's. They amazed me.. flying B 727 aircraft into Montana in awful conditions, ice-covered strips such as Helena, even with the tower closed in those days ! My neighbor thought it was no big deal....
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:53 am

You should see the AA and UA flights at LHR then  Big grin
There must be something like 16 AA flights daily to LHR...all using 777s
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:53 am

It was a serious question. I was just making sure, that is a lot of flights there.
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:04 am

If you think that display of planes is a ton, take a look at what they do from NRT!
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:04 am

Of Course NW is American......They Hub out of AMS
to connect flights to KL.

when in doubt, Check there website.....www.nwa.com

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:09 am

I believe there are actually more NW planes in Tokyo/NRT than in AMS.

DTW 2x daily B744
HNL 10x weekly B744/742
HNL 1x daily DC10
JFK 1x daily B744
LAX 1x daily B744/742
MSP 8x weekly B744
PDX 1x daily A332
SEA 1x daily A332
SFO 1x daily A332

BKK 1x daily A332
CAN 6x weekly B757
GUM 9x weekly B742
HKG 1x daily B744
ICN 1x daily A332
MNL 1x daily B744
NGO 1x daily B757
PEK 1x daily A332
PUS 1x daily A332
PVG 1x daily B744
SIN 1x daily A332
SPN 10x weekly B742
SPN 1x daily B757

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Allow me to add one more to your list from AMS

SEA-AMS 1x daily DC10

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:11 am

NW also has huge passenger feed at AMS from all over Europe thanks to KL which adds significantly to NW's passenger numbers. From the UK alone, KL offers multiple-daily frequencies to AMS from around 15 regional airports which has made it a very attractive hub for interlining. Many people choose this option rather than going through LHR or LGW.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:15 am

There must be something like 16 AA flights daily to LHR...all using 777s

AA only uses them at LHR

NW has hubs at AMS and NRT. NW Far East route system gives them a huge presense at NRT and a substantial one at AMS.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:19 am

There must be something like 16 AA flights daily to LHR...all using 777s

AA only uses them at LHR


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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:03 am

Northwest flies from AMS to the following places.

Bombay 2X daily DC10
Boston 1X daily A330
Detroit 3x daily A330
Memphis 1x daily DC10
Minneapolis 3X daily DC10.

That's a lot of DC10 flights, all daily.


You forgot SEA 1X daily DC-10

Lets not forget NW at NRT (like posted above)

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:24 am

Does KLM do anything out of DTW or MSP?

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:30 am

Does KLM do anything out of DTW or MSP?
On and off. During the summer when an extra AMS is added to the schedule, sometimes KL will get it.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:32 am

KLM has nothing out of DTW, they use to a few years back a MD-11 I think. Now it is all NW metal and has been since 9/11 I think.

NRT might have more NW than AMS, but it is all the pictures you see plus if you've every been to AMS in the morning it looks like DTW at 4pm with all the Internationals. It's a great place to be. But I'm sure NRT has lots of NW tails at certain times of the day.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:06 am

This is like asking why Coca-Cola sells soft drinks all over the world? NWA is America's Oldest Same Name Airline. (Northwest Airways, Northwest Orient, Northwest.) NWA was the first airline to fly to Asia. Yep even before Pan Am. They are a Global American Company.


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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:22 am

slightly off topic... but dose NW have IFE on its intra asia flights?


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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:24 am

slightly off topic... but dose NW have IFE on its intra asia flights?

Yes on both counts.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:35 am

FlyGuyClt:

Could you please explain this: NWA was the first airline to fly to Asia. Yep even before Pan Am.

Northwest did not start service to the Orient until 1947. Pan Am began service to asia in 1935!

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:01 am

Hey we all make mistakes now and then.

Correction.

Pan Am: Manila Service 1935
Pan Am: Hong Kong Service 1936 (Asia)
NWA: Tokyo Service 1947. (First to Japan)

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:31 am

If they are American ... then why are they such a large Airbus customer?
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:32 am

The same reason that BA is such a large Boeing customer.
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:35 am

"KLM has nothing out of DTW, they use to a few years back a MD-11 I think. Now it is all NW metal and has been since 9/11 I think."

I flew on a KLM 742 AMS-DTW in 2003, March 23 if I remember correctly. I must say it was the best service I have ever received on a transatlantic flight(for coach class....).
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:50 am

Dbo,
Well I guess my memory wasn't as good as I thought.(No harm done) You are probably right, since you were on the flight. However, KLM has been on an On again Off again relationship at DTW. It's always nice to see them in the Motor City.
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:13 am

FlyGuyClt:

No Problem!


"In the CAB Pacific route decision announced on June 20, 1946 Pan Am retained it's original mid-Pacific route from San Francisco/Los Angeles to Hong Kong, with an extension to Saigon, Rangoon, and Calcutta. The airline also recieved licences to fly direct to Tokyo from Midway, continuing on to Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Java. Northwest Airlines, a regional domestic but with experience of Alaskan operations during the war was given the northern Great Circle route from New York to the Far East".*

*History of Pan American World Airwaysm P. St. John Turner, 1976

PAA actually began service to Tokyo before NWA.

Never the less, I still fly over 130 segments on NW every year  Big thumbs up
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:43 am

I like the pics of NW aircraft at AMS. Its a great contrast bewteen NW red and KLM blue.
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:55 am


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Here is the UA and AA action in LHR.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:56 am

>There must be something like 16 AA flights daily to LHR...all using 777s

AA only uses them at LHR<

No, you are wrong. SJC-NRT, LAX-NRT, JFK-NRT and many more routes does AA use the 777 other than to LHR
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:19 am

Yes, we are a US carrier. Our large numbers at AMS are because of our long-standing alliance with KLM.

Exactly  Smile ...NWA and KLM are like almost the exact same airline so they take over alot of routes for eachother- or at least that's what I've picked up from past expierence.
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:25 am

AA also has 777 service from DFW/RDU to LGW as well as DFW-MIA, DFW-ORD, DFW-LAX. The only other european market outside of London that AA uses the 777 is at FRA, on their daily DFW-FRA flight. AA also uses the 777 on flights from MIA to South America.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:34 am

Interesting picture. Looks like two A330's and about three DC10's. Isn't it pretty common to have some 744's from NW at AMS as well?
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:39 am

Isn't it pretty common to have some 744's from NW at AMS

Negative, ghost rider. Not these days.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:00 am

If they are American ... then why are they such a large Airbus customer?

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:09 am

If they are American ... then why are they such a large Airbus customer?

Thanks for being the idiot in this thread.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:20 am

>>>>>>>>>>There must be something like 16 AA flights daily to LHR...all using 777s

AA only uses them at LHR<

No, you are wrong. SJC-NRT, LAX-NRT, JFK-NRT and many more routes does AA use the 777 other than to LHR <<<<<<<<<


I think he was implying that the only aircraft flown by AAL into LHR are 777's. I have no idea what they fly in there though
 
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:35 am

Gigneil,

Many you make me laugh,so funny,yet so true! Smile
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:47 am

>If they are American ... then why are they such a large Airbus customer?<

Because Airbus offered a better product when they ordered them. Goes for both the A320, being better than the 733/734 and the A330 being better than the 764
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:02 am

Because Airbus offered a better product when they ordered them. Goes for both the A320, being better than the 733/734 and the A330 being better than the 764

Hardly....just Bargain basement prices aided by hefty euro govs' subsidy.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:05 am

The giant American flag on the aft fusulage is merely a decoy.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:07 am

>Hardly....just Bargain basement prices aided by hefty euro govs' subsidy.<

I really hope you are joking, because someone will flame you hard very soon if you are not.
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:13 am

N1120A

Because Airbus offered a better product when they ordered them. Goes for both the A320, being better than the 733/734 and the A330 being better than the 764


I really hope you're joking, because someone will flame you hard very soon if you are not.



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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:19 am

Hardly....just Bargain basement prices aided by hefty euro govs' subsidy.

Yay idiot #2.

You want to explain how launch aid equals bargain basement prices? Or, how the 733 or 734 are superior to the A320? Perhaps how the 764 is better than the A330?

I can't wait to hear your rationale for why you helped ruin a perfectly fine thread that adults were conversing in.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:21 am

>Because Airbus offered a better product when they ordered them. Goes for both the A320, being better than the 733/734 and the A330 being better than the 764

I really hope you're joking, because someone will flame you hard very soon if you are not.<

Well, given my posting record, that is a pretty out there one for me, but come on. The 764 was only meant for 2 airlines, and does not have the range or the cargo capacity of the A333/A332, and the 733 and 734 don't have the range or size of the A320. The 737NG was out when the A319 was, but by then NW had A320s and wanted commonality. Now, if it was today and the 787 and 737NG were available, it would be a different story
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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:21 am

Gigneil,

You're right, sorry. But I just can't stand it when someone rants about the Boeing product as being inferior. Until now, I have stayed out of these A v. B. threads, because I think they are all fine aircraft.

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RE: Isn't Northwest American?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:22 am

Heh, I am an American but I don't subscribe to the strictly "buy American" line. For instance, I drive a Japanese car (and plan to continue to purchase Japanese cars as they have the greatest value for the money). If I was to start an airline, or run one, I'd purchase the aircraft that gives the best value for the money.

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