Chiguire
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Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:55 am

For over two years Aeropostal and Air Europa were operating a successfull codeshare between MAD and CCS.
Air Europa took more and more control over the flight and started flying MAD-UIO by itself, dropping the VH connection between CCS and UIO.
Now this codeshare will come to an end on 1st of June.
Let´s see what happens. Can Air Europa carry on by itself those 5 weekly flights ? Will Aeropostal find another partner ? Or will them fly by themselves ?
Time will tell....
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:13 am

CivilAv saw this coming... he was right.

It's a shame, I think VH will lose many pax from UIO and BOG that used to connect in CCS  Sad. Let's wait and see what happens... I think this will hurt VH more than it will hurt UX. I think CCS has enough traffic to/from MAD to be able to keep the UX flight profitable, but on the other side, many pax that flew between CCS and UIO were connecting pax and not O&D....
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:20 am



This could be seen coming.

Aeropostal always played an important role in feeding AirEuropa's flights between Caracas and Madrid, and both of them were often seen as the most afordable way of travelling to Spain, not limited to Venezuela, but from Ecuador and Colombia also.


A much harder task for Air Europa now, who can see a considerable down-turn in route performance. This, altogether with the company's expansion plans including other, much more attractive destinations in Latin America may put the CCS service in the edge of the plank.





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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:27 am

It's a shame, I think VH will lose many pax from UIO and BOG that used to connect in CCS . Let's wait and see what happens... I think this will hurt VH more than it will hurt UX.


Not at all, both AV and VH are doing great between Caracas and Bogotá. Aeropostal, on one side, was eager to increase frequencies to BOG, they did, and now they offer a convinient business-oriented scheduled that matches the one offered by Avianca; on the other, Avianca reportedly said that Caracas was the best destination in terms of performance throughout the past high season.





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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:48 am

his, altogether with the company's expansion plans including other, much more attractive destinations in Latin America may put the CCS service in the edge of the plank.

Which are those destinations? EZE, SCL, GRU, MEX?
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:56 am


There have been many talks about new markets on the "to be analized/explored" list, including EZE and especially MEX. There are most likely others.




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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:08 am

It would be great to have VH in MEX. Does anybody know what kind of equipment they would use for this flight? I believe that MX is currently flying one A320 daily to CCS.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:13 am

If VH ever gets to fly to MEX it would be a MD-88. Maybe it'll be a bit payload restricted because of MEX's height, but Im not a tech expert, maybe someone can help. CCS-MEX is 2224 miles and the MD88s range is 2650 miles....
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:16 am

Expect a stop on a VH flight, e.g. in San Pedro Sula, the Hub of the sister company AeroHonduras. Continuing SAP-MEX as codeshare...
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:20 am

Given that no Central American or Mexican carrier flies regularly scheduled flights between MEX and Honduras, VH might get 5th freedom rights between SAP and MEX. What do you think?

Whatever the story is, I hope we see VH here in MEX some day.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:28 am

VH might get 5th freedom rights between SAP and MEX.
As VH owns a part of AeroHonduras, this leg could be under 4S flightnumber.
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:42 am

Maybe it'll be a bit payload restricted because of MEX's height, but Im not a tech expert, maybe someone can help.

AV's MD-83s go out of UIO penalized with more or less 40.000lb for the short hop to BOG [around 500nm]. You get the idea.



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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:18 pm

SOUTHAMERICA, I am unfamiliar with the range of the MD-83 but I am very surprised to hear about the penalty for this flight. Tell me something, is the penalty really due to UIO's altitude or does it have more to do with UIO's runway length? If I am "barking" some idiocy please feel free to correct me. It's just that I can't believe that a Mad Dog would be penalized for such a short trip! Thanks a lot in advance for the information Fede.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:24 pm

As far as I know, the MD-88 is the long range version of the Mad Dogs family.... MD88s have far more range that any other MD-80s.
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:17 pm

EddieDude,


The MD-83 normally takes-off with a maximum weight of 160.000lbs in optimal climate/topographical conditions. From Quito - Mariscal Sucre International Airport, Avianca operate their 2 MD-83 flights to Bogotá under a heavy penalization of 40.000lbs, basically due to UIO's extreme altitude conditions [more than 9000 feet above sea level], and to an additional extent increased because of a considerably hot environment in the afternoon.

Quito, Guayaquil and Lima are strong performers cargo-wise, hence AV currently using their 767-200ERs in medium-haul BOG-LIM. AV operates 3 daily flights in the UIO-BOG route; the first service of the day is operated by a 757, departs Quito early in the morning and has no payload issues whatsoever. The other two services depart Quito later during the day, operated by the MD-83s which, as mentioned, go out penalized. It is Avianca's objective to reach an all-757 operation to Quito, but currently they are being fully-used in flights to Miami from secondary cities in Colombia, to New York, and other flights to deep South America.

Don't hesitate to drop by any doubt or question. If I can help I'm pretty sure I will.




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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:50 pm

I think, what SOUTHAMERICA was indicating, was UX expansion to south America, Not VH....so don´t expect VH to MEX anytime soon.

Even CCS-MEX is a wonderful route, there is no plans for any Venezuelan carrier to start it.

it´s would be great to see VH serving
CCS-SJO-MEX or
CCS-SAP-MEX or
CCS-PTY-MEX or
CCS-GUA-MEX or
CCS SAL MEX

But don't expect it soon
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:32 am

Hi Fellows:

Regarding Aeropostal, I think they will make great profits if just
concentrating their network in the Western Hemisphere. Keep
their present destinations plus adding JFK, MEX, SCL, EZE & GRU.
Some equipmet can be added (maybe 2 A-320's and 2 A-310's).
See the idea: North-South traffic? Run the airline based
on efficiency/reliability, good service and high employee morale.
CCS has been a strategic point for decades.The Republic of
Venezuela is developing tourism as an alternate source of income
(apart from oil). The airport is in the middle of an ambitious plan
of expansion and modernization; so now is a very nice airport
with great opportunities offered to passengers "In-Transit". Can
be used as a transfer point based on 24 hour operations, no
noise rules, modern facilities/amenities/Duty Free etc. Aeropostal
can be the Southwest of Latin America! Only if we get some
priorities upon operating an airline. Let's stay pointing in the
same direction...





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Chiguire
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:39 am

But don't expect it soon
How do you know ??
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:42 am

Let's stay pointing in the same direction...
Yes, please ! No Cuba-adventure, no more "Alas de queseyo" in Hoduras, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Peru. Colombia, Do. Republic etc.
They need to focus on their strenght !
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:26 am

The airport is in the middle of an ambitious plan
of expansion and modernization; so now is a very nice airport
with great opportunities offered to passengers "In-Transit". Can
be used as a transfer point based on 24 hour operations, no
noise rules, modern facilities/amenities/Duty Free etc.

Well let me tell you, i was in CCS this past December, and I took with me 2 friends (an american and a mexican) to visit MY COUNTRY and I was a shame of Maiquetía´s situation.

They have been expanding and motorizing this airport for more that 3 years, and you can´t really see any mayor improvements.

I arrived with Lacsa on a remote position, getting off a full plane by stairs on a rainy afternoon, having to wait for more that 15 minutes because instead of sending 2 o 3 buses to handle the passenger only one bus to make the turn around. No roof or at least umbrellas to cover passengers, children's and worst of all, infants.

The electrical stair to the terminal of course not fuctioning.

The floor, with the old sixties marble design. i do understand carpet was removed when the Vargas situation, but 4 years has passed from this, can they put new carpet or change that horrible floor.

Flights from south america and Europe arriving at the same time, and only 3 immigration agents to handle hundreds of passengers.

In the baggage claim area no sign what so ever on which band your luggage would be on.

Couple of baggage trolleys to take your luggage to the exit, not even because they are now charging for the service it´s even better. Before there was free and there was hundreds of carts all over the place.

The worst is to come.

Because we were 3 guys traveling together, we were asked by a Guardia Nacional to follow him for a revision. We were asked a bunch of silly questions, like, where we were coming from, why 3 guys from different nationality were traveling together, what was the reason of our trip, the made us open all ours bags they search each item on our bags, made us empty all our pockets and made us show them all the money we were carrying. I was so embarrassed.
They had us there for more than an our and made us loose our connection to PMV.

Getting out, all the harassment from dollar changers and taxis....they act like drug dealers. Pretty scary.

After this, the hassle to get to the National terminal (still raining). We waited for 30 minutes for the inter-terminal bus to arrive and it never came.
Wanted to take an official taxi to take us to the terminal and there was none, except for some Taxi Vans that wanted to charge us 50 thousand Bs. for the ride, same fee as if we were going to CCS. Even i was the one making the arrangements, they thought i was a PENDEJO.

Well after having a WET arrival at the National Terminal, had to deal with a RUDE Aeropostal agent, wanting to charge us $100 usd to change each ticket and not allowing us to get on VH next flight to PMV, that was due to depart en half an hour. We explained VH supervisor all what we went thro, their attitude was IT´s WASN´t THEIR FAULT. After a loud complaint the accepted us on the flight with no charge.

Our visit to Margarita was wonderful, my friends had a great time, and they loved the people and the island. This made them forget all the trouble we had at MIQ´s airport, until the return, that was not as bad, but very uncomfortable with those GUARDIA NACIONALES that makes a bunch of silly questions and treat you like a criminal or drug dealer, when entering the checkin area. Not even when i´ve visited Cuba i´ve been treated so bad.

It´s a shame we treat our visitors like this.


Sorry to disappoint you Chiguire, but MIQ is a mess.....my friends even told me, that the airports is the worst airport comparing it to similar airports, they have to.

Great to know that PMV will be renew and that jetways will be introduced. Hope they don't take as long as MIQ.

Hope this changes drastically if we want our beloved Venezuela to be a Tourism Potential.

Visit Margarita the pearl of the Caribbean.

Regards JJJM
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:13 am

Sorry to disappoint you Chiguire, but MIQ is a mess.....
You do not disappoint me, I know it´s difficult from time to time. I guess Charvett means the new Duty Free and Restaurant areas. The immigration aera, the baggage area and the reception aerea are still a problem. But am am sure they will improve that. One thing that will not improve: the GN !

Nice to hear that yout stay in Margarita was good. I hope you come back !
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:16 am

@Jjjm

Indeed, arriving at CCS can be a complete chaos: I've had some experiences with broken bag carousels, long lines and silly questions. At least they removed that stupid red/green light at the baggage claim exit.

It's amazing how it took around 30 years for them (airport management) to realize that traffic flow at CCS (departures and arrivals) has to be separated.

There are some "minor" changes, however, at the international terminal. I was there back on January 10 and workers had removed all those giant black plastic covers that were hiding the second floor works. I could see some of the new baggage claim area, with some bag carousels (I could count 6 or 7). Don't know if this is old news, so please don't flame me  Smile.

 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:09 am

Chiguire, B757200

The worst part of it, is that the last time I was there I felt like the Bus Terminal in Nuevo Circo. I´m sure you all know what I mean.

I´m sure after all Maiquetías remodeling plans are over, it should be one of the best Terminals in South America, just that they are taking so much time to finish it, that when this is over, the airport will be old fashioned again.

They have more than 4 years and they just can finish it.

It´s an Autopista to Oriente (part II)

Caracas deserves and up class Airport and Venezuela a Top Class Airline.

Regards

JJJM
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:25 am

There is nothing more to add. The comparison with Circo is very good !
But who could be a first class airline here ? Maybe LAN Venezuela ? But I don´t see it happen. It´s sad.
Coming back to the topic, Mr. Ramiz is now also considering a codeshare with Conviasa, LH or even IB !
How can that work ? Conviasa has no agreements within Europe, LH doesn´t fly to MAD (only via FRA what is really not competitive), IB has everything but is the biggest competitor and flying all the beyond-CCS destinations directly.
The BEST decision would be to go alone. I consider VH strong enough in Spain and Europe as well as on their routes behind CCS and within Venezuela to compete with IB and S3. They should just get a MD11 and go.
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:40 am

Exactly. Santa Barbara went alone and launched service to Europe. Aeropostal could do the same. Why bother with another code-share agreement? As Chiguire says, a MD-11 could serve well. Or maybe a 767-300.
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:46 am

How many Venezuelan airlines are allowed to fly CCS-MAD?????
 
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:38 am

Actually it would be interesting to have Aeropostal down here in Buenos Aires. Aerolíneas Argentinas currently is the only operator of the EZE-CCS route, and takes advantage of it. CCS has been recently downgraded to an MD-88 via VVI, from an A310, dedicated service 3x weekly, and via BOG 4x weekly a few months ago.

As of AR prices, I have been told by a friend who's got family in Venezuela that they are absolutely outrageous. Apparently the best prices are offered by Avianca, though this means changing planes in Bogotá, something non-aviation nuts don't usually like.

However what I really see coming to EZE in a near future is state-owned Conviasa. It is widely known that Huguito Chávez and Néstor K are friends, and this sort of "caudillismo" that we currently see in both Argentina and Venezuela may include airlines, i.e. serving "brother" countries like Argentina, Brazil and even Uruguay. Perhaps this even means that Conviasa will not fly to ideologically enemy Bogotá!  Big grin

Anyway, it would be good to see some new airlines in the Buenos Aires-Caracas market, whether it is Aeropostal or Conviasa, we'll have to wait and see.

Saludos,
Marambio
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RE: Aeropostal Cancels UX Codeshare To CCS

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:41 pm

JA-JA-JA-JA... El Nuevo Circo! And I thought I was the only one complaining at Maiquetia. Changes are going strong... hoping for the best; but let's make inconveniences a little smoother. This is our Port of Entry! How my friends are going to react if I invite them home to stay for a weekend and when they arrive I strip them bare naked at my front porch for "security reasons"!!! Is there a Customer Service division at CCS IAAIM that can deal to make it a little less traumatic?

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