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BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:44 am

last summer I was taking an Easyjet flight out of Luton, and while taxiing on the runway, amongst all the various LCCs at Luton, there was this tiny BA plane, think it was either a Twin Otter or a Beechcraft, can't remember.

Does BA actually have some very short, scheduled flight out of LTN? What's the point, when all their resources are at LHR and LGW? There obviously can't be any BA connecting traffic at LTN. They can't compete with U2 there. Anyone know what's going on? Why would BA even bother to serve LTN?
 
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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:27 am

BA have a daily service to IOM (operated by Citiexpress).
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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:32 am

Could have been a charter or a training/flying club aircraft.

BA do have a couple of services from Luton, using the 146 to the Isle of Man. They also operate some charters from there.

Loganair do have twin otters and are a BA franchise carrier.
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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:30 pm

Whenever I think of Luton, I cant help thinking of that Lorraine Chase advert and hoards of package holidaymakers coming home with whicker donkeys and Sombreros. I know it has moved on but to me it will always be Lorraine Chase and charters!
 
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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:25 pm

We (BA CitiExpress) fly a daily service from IOM-LTN using a BAe146. However, at the moment, until March 17th, the Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday flights are suspended.

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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:43 pm

Skidmarks,
an off topic question : what are the other major route and timetable changes of BA Citiexpress for this summer?
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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:01 pm

Malta,

A quick summary of our changes are:

BRS: New routes to Milan and ZRH ( Dont know which Milan)
BRS-FRA increased to 2 per day
MAN-AMS - route stopped
MAN-BLQ - Not restarting for the summer
MAN-DUS, OSL, FCO, SOU, STR reduced services

1 extra EMB145 to be based at BRS

Job losses at MAN

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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:24 pm

Skidmarks,

I thought that they were stopping some routes at MAN to replace them with other routes. Oh these are not good news.

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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:34 pm

Is there any particular good reason for BA to have the LTN - IOM route - it seems a bit of a pain for them to keep an additional station open just to run that one route, although I guess they do that with all there foreign stations but this seems a particularly strange route to me

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RE: BA At Luton?

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:42 pm

I am not sure of the reason for keepiing the LTN route from the IOM, but with all the routes we've lost I am grateful it is still there!

I guess its because a lot of charter flights leave LTN and Islanders connect to their holiday flights from there. Despite the small population on the rock, the flights are well subscribed. And the staff use it too, which is far more important!!

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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:21 am

IOM-LTN was started in the days of Manx Airlines and originally operated on an ATP. It was set up as a low cost alternative to the then LHR route, at an off peak time. Manx had already started the concept called "Fare Cracker" on the LPL-IOM route.......peak flights at the time were branded "Sovereign" service; almost like offereing a 2 class service, but on separate flights.
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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:42 am

Skidmarks - does BA have service from IOM to LHR and/or LGW as well? Or is IOM-LTN the only route?

also - does BA serve STN? I've never been there.
 
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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:46 am

IOM-LGW 3x daily, with reduced frequency at weekends......
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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:57 am


MAN-OSL may be reduced frequency but appears to be offering greater capacity! The evening service is going but the morning service is to be operated by RJ100s (i.e. 110 seaters v. 2 x 49 seaters); the RJ100 is coming from the morning MXP service which is being downgraded to ERJ145s.

MAN-FCO is not really such a surprise as it's a 6 weekly/daily service in the winter, with the additional daily service in the evening for the summer being stopped.

BA would like IOM-LGW to go to 4 daily but can't apparently due to the IOM hours of operation so I've heard.

BA used to have a three daily weekday MAN-STN service using J41 of BACX but when that fleet was transferred to Eastern Airways, so did the route. The only BA colours at STN will be ERJ145s/146s/RJ100s going for a spot of maintenance over the weekend and the Global Supply 747Fs operating BA cargo services.

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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:52 am

David answered your question there nicely Nyc. I am not sure about wanting to go 4 X a day IOM_LGW though. They do seem to be trying to cut down services from the IOM - or maybe it's just us being paranoid!!

Yes, there are limits on the operations here. The airport opens at 06.15 and closes at 21.30 (unless there are delayed flights). Mostly that is because of fire cover, although they are a bit on the pedantic side over here!

As for IOM-LHR, that was just about the only reason they took Manx Airlines over, to get the LHR slots. Frankly, no-one here believes they will be on the island in 5 years time.

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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:17 am

Go was a regular at STN so you could have counted that as semi BA, but then that went as well, along with Buzz. Might as well rename it London EasyAir or London RyanJet Airport!
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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:29 am


Andy

The Euromanx route to MAN article includes this as a last paragrpah:

"The move could cast doubt on the future of BA's links with the Island. Last year the airline, which took over Manx Airlines, dropped all but three routes and confirmed it would pull off Luton if an extra Gatwick service could be added. "

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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:35 am

The Bae146's we get are G-MUMA (G-MIMA) and G-OINK (OINV), here at LGW, operating the IOM serivices, however, lately we have seena couple of other reges flying around, of the G-BZA* lot,

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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:54 am

As for the aircraft you saw, Loganair operate Twin Otters around Scotland, it could have been on crew training.

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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:35 am

Are the Dash 8s satying in the CitiExpress fleet now? BA had originally announced that CitiExpress was to be an all jet operation by this March, with the Jetstreams going in 2003, the ATPs in 2004 and finally the Dash 8s this year. As nothing has been announced has BA had a change of heart for now?
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RE: BA At Luton?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:48 pm

The Dash 8's are staying for the time being. We are returning G-BRYJ on 31st March and G-BRYI on 31st May but the remainder of the fleet are going to be around. For a while I hope as it's my fleet!!

4 ATP's are being returned this year leaving G-MANE and MANF at Southend in storage. They are not due to return until 2007 and unless the company can find someone to take them off their hands, then there they will stay.

However, since the company changes it's policy like some management change their underwear, then anything could happen!

My personal thought is that getting rid of the prop fleets is a dumb idea unless BA mainline has plans to ditch all of BACX's short routes and turn it into a re-born BA Regional. What would make more sense is if they invested in new aircraft like the Q400's. Still, I can dream!!

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