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A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:50 am

Recently saw The Aviator and got me to wondering about how the Spruce Goose compares to today's behemoths?
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:45 pm

I just saw The Aviator too. I'm going to go visit the Spruce Goose since it's only 30 miles from my house! From the movie, they said it was over 200 ft long and over 5 stories high. I'm too lazy to look up any of the stats for the A380 and 747...
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:05 pm

I seriously doubt it was 5 stories high.
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:18 pm

BigPhilNYC:

Sucks to be you, then.

Hughes Aircraft H-4 Hercules:
Wingspan: 319'11"
Length: 218'8"
Tail height: 79'4"
Fuselage height: 30ft

Lockheed C-5 Galaxy:
Wingspan: 222.9'
Length: 247.1'
Tail height: 65.1'

Boeing 747-400ER:
Wingspan: 211'5"
Length: 231'10"
Tail height: 63'8"

Airbus A380-800:
Wingspan: 261'10"
Length: 239'6"
Height: 79'1"

Antonov An-124:
Wingspan: 240'5"
Length: 226'3"

Antonov An-225:
Wingspan: 290'
Length: 275'
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:52 pm

Don't forget to include the MTOW's.  Smile

The goose was BIG with that 97.5-meter span, but made of oak and weighed in at 400,000 lbs.

I heard that back then it was the oak that was what made it too heavy for the engines (8x 3500 HP) and its VR was in ground effect and got too high then fell back into the water.

80 feet seems like 6 story building.
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:07 pm

Some nice color photos of the spruce goose floating in the L.A. harbor can be seen HERE before being moved to the hangar dome adjacent to the Queen Mary.



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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:24 pm

>Some nice color photos of the spruce goose floating in the L.A. harbor can be seen HERE before being moved to the hangar dome adjacent to the Queen Mary.<

They moved the Herc to Oregon
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:09 pm

When I was a kid, my family and I took trip to the Queen Mary and the Spruce Goose. Both were giant and scary sites, when we enter the dome where the Spruce Goose was located, I ran out, because it was so big. Take in mind that I was a kid at the time. My father made me come in to take a look at it. I feel bless that I had a chance to see it.

I know this is a little off the subject, but I just wanted to share some memories of the Spruce Goose.
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:14 pm

When I was young, I had also seen the Spruce Goose when it was in Long Beach. That thing is a true behemoth.
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:26 am

Thanks for the stats N328KF

So which of these do you consider to be the biggest?
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:05 am

I heard that back then it was the oak that was what made it too heavy for the engines (8x 3500 HP) and its VR was in ground effect and got too high then fell back into the water.

So the report that Hughes was actually on high speed tests that day and the aircraft inadvertently got airborne are false then?
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:01 am

It was stated above that the Goose is now in Oregon? Where exactly and is it on display?
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:09 am

>>"So the report that Hughes was actually on high speed tests that day and the aircraft inadvertently got airborne are false then?"<<

Oh no, what you put was exactly what I was saying, that he was taxiing and throttled up and it took off in ground effect. Hughes never flew it again; I'll bet anything all that was needed was a bit more speed to remain up there.

I wonder though, has anyone thought of re-engining that thing just to see if it was still flight worthy?
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:17 am

Saw the Goose about a year and a half ago in just outside PDX(Evergreen Museum, I think its called) and although it is an impressive sight, I just felt a little disappointed. I was expecting something a lot bigger. It just seemed smaller when your standing right next to it. But then again, its probably just me, because I have said that many times before. When standing next to or inside a C-5, when standing next to Air Force One last time it was in JAX as well as right next to the AN-124 when it was also stopped in JAX at one point. All those times, even though I stared and admired them, one thought always ran through my mind. "Well, I thought it was bigger than this?"
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:25 am

The Goose (or Hercules) is in McMinnville, Oregon, which is about 30 miles south of PDX at the Evergreen Museum. The Museum worked with the film some to portray the Goose. One of the owners of the museum goes to the same horse stable as my mom. When I'm 18 I might intern at the museum, which the owner said has lots of people in the summer from places like Embry Riddle.
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:33 am

I last saw the Goose at Long Beach, in the mid '80s. I was very impressed. Then you could go inside her. Not much inside except a catwalk to the tail section. The cockpit was very 1940s technology, but hay, it did fly (admittedly in ground effect).

It always amazed me she was made from wood, but so was the RAF's Mosquito twin engine bomber.

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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:35 am

I'm more impressed with the spruce goose than any of the others listed just because it was... just cool! I've never been so impressed.
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:36 am

>So the report that Hughes was actually on high speed tests that day and the aircraft inadvertently got airborne are false then?<

Nope, he was planning on doing it as soon as he knew he had a headwind
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:06 pm

Another Great Goose Photo

Check out that wingspan!!!


Incredible that Disney didn't renew the lease for the Spruce Goose when they had the lease for the hangar dome property, apparently considering it to be uninteresting junk.
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:04 pm

"The goose was BIG with that 97.5-meter span, but made of oak and weighed in at 400,000 lbs."

The reason it's called the Spruce Goose is because it's made of SPRUCE wood and not OAK! Oak would have been heavier than what it weighs now.
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:04 am

FYI,

Evergreen Aviation Museum's (in McMinnville, OR) website is:

http://www.sprucegoose.org.

The web-site's home page now shows a frontal view of the Spruce Goose at its current home.
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:13 am

GuyBetsy:

Or you could say what it's really made of—birch. R. Owen Brewster is the senator that gave it the name "Spruce Goose."
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:04 am

Someone mentioned they were not that impressed with it.

It's all relative though, the Spruce Goose was HUGE for its time and therefore was REALLY something to see ... at one point in time.

Its; like when Star Wars came out, it was the best shit on earth.

Now you look at it, and you can see, its just a bunch of muppets.

And in 20 years, we'll look at Armageddon and say it was all Ho Hum special f/x.
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:18 am

My grandfather remembers going past the Hughes hanger when it was open on the apparently frequent maintenance days in the 1950s and 60s and seeing the plane. I saw it in Long Beach and it does not look a lot bigger than the hold of a 747 although it probably looked bigger if the you could walk in it.

Does anybody know why the Spruce Goose was kept in flying condition until 1980? Was there some obscure military procurement reason? Was it just Hughes being nuts?
 
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:47 am

Mirrodie:

I thought Armageddon was just ho-hum special effects, and that was in the theater.
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RE: A380 V C5 V 747 V Spruce Goose

Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:17 am

I had posted the question about where the Goose was now. By a really, really, strange coincidence I have to go to McMinnville, OR this week for work. I plan to stop by and see it. Now I know to take my camera!