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Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:43 pm

From FR site :

"10 DAILY FLIGHTS FROM ROME TO ALGHERO, VENICE, VERONA"

ROME BASE INCREASED TO 5 AIRCRAFT
Ryanair, Europe’s No. 1 low fares airline today (31st Jan 2005) announced the expansion of its Rome base to five aircraft and the launch of 10 daily domestic flights in Italy from Rome to Alghero, Venice and Verona, as well as 2 daily flights to/from Dublin with fares from just €4.99 - a fraction of Alitalia’s high fares.

ROUTE RYANAIR FARE Start date
ROME - ALGHERO €4.99 28th April
ROME - VENICE €4.99 28th April
ROME - VERONA €4.99 28th April
ROME – DUBLIN €29.99 19th April

Announcing the new routes in Rome today, Ryanair’s CEO Michael O’Leary said:

“Ryanair’s new low fare routes from Rome to Alghero, Venice and Verona and Dublin mean Italian consumers can now fly for a fraction of Alitalia’s high fares and will benefit from Ryanair’s No.1 punctuality and customer service.
Since 1998, Ryanair has slashed the cost of air travel for millions of ordinary Italians making flying affordable for all. In 2005 Ryanair will carry 10 m pax on 66 Italian routes sustaining 10,000 jobs in tourism.
Now Italian consumers will be able to enjoy Ryanair’s unbeatable low fares at home bringing massive growth to domestic travel in Italy. So say arrivederci to Alitalia’s high fares and get online from February 1st at www.ryanair.com to book your from €4.99 flights immediately.”






This is the same thing translated in italian (FR italian site) :
RYANAIR LANCIA 3 TRE ROTTE INTERNE IN ITALIA

"10 VOLI GIORNALIERI DA ROMA AD ALGHERO, VENEZIA, VERONA"

AGGIUNTA DI UN QUINTO AEROMOBILE ALLA BASE DI ROMA
Ryanair, la compagnia a basse tariffe n. 1 in Europa ha annunciato oggi 31 gennaio 2005 l’espansione della sua base a Roma con l'aggiunta di un quinto aeromobile e il lancio di 10 rotte interne giornaliere in Italia da Roma ad Alghero, Venezia, e Verona, e anche 2 voli giornalieri da/per Dublin con tariffe a partire da soli €4.99, una piccola parte delle alte tariffe Alitalia.

ROTTE TARIFFA RYANAIR DATA DI INIZIO
ROMA - ALGHERO €4.99 28 Aprile
ROMA - VENEZIA €4.99 28 Aprile
ROMA - VERONA €4.99 28 Aprile
ROMA – DUBLINO €29.99 19 Aprile

Annunciando le nuove rotte a Roma oggi, Michael O’Leary Amministratore Delegato di Ryanair ha detto:
“Le nuove rotte a basse tariffe di Ryanair da Roma ad Alghero, Venezia, e Verona e quella per Dublino permetteranno ai consumatori italiani di volare con una frazione delle alte tariffe Alitalia e di beneficiare della puntualità e servizio clienti n. 1 di Ryanair.

Fin dal 1998, Ryanair ha abbattuto il costo dei viaggi aerei per milioni di Italiani rendendo accessibile a tutti viaggiare in aereo. Nel 2005 Ryanair porterà 10 milioni di passeggeri su 66 rotte italiane sostenendo 10.000 poti di lavoro nel settore del turismo.
Ora i consumatori italiani potranno usuifruire a casa propria delle imbattibili basse tariffe di Ryanair che porteranno una massiccia crescita nel mercato dei voli interni in Italia. Quindi dite arrivederci alle alte tariffe di Alitalia e da 1 febbraio correte su internet sul sito www.ryanair.com per prenotare immediatamente i vostri voli a partire da €4.99.


[Edited 2005-01-31 09:58:36]
 
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:45 pm

Excellent! Was hoping it would begin domestic flights in Italy.
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:30 pm

They should start in France ..... ( but the Air France lobby much too strong and politically to entrenched..)
Air France tariffs are a complete rip-off -
I 'm glad for the Italians that can travel at budget fares from Rome...
Smart move after the Volare crash
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:39 pm

What are the frequencies on these routes? The timetable does not appear on Ryanair.com yet.
 
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:40 pm

That's really great news!! It was time to make the move!
Thanks Ryan! Hopefully things will improve in Italy....

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:57 pm

This is a great strategic move by Ryanair, one long overdue. I've waited and forecasted this for about 12 months. Once the spat with Bergamo is tidied up, we will see x10 daily flights to CIA from Milano within 12 months.

I presume they mean Verona and Venice secondary airports?

Its a great move, as Italian domestic fares are really high, and it also means they will slow capacity in the bloodbath markets in the UK, Ireland and Germany.
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:02 pm

In 2005 Ryanair will carry 10 m pax on 66 Italian routes

Now, thats impressive!
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:07 pm

how is Air One doing? You don't hear much about them outside Italy, but are they in a healthy position? Are they placing themselves as low cost? Can an Italian member give a discription of the current domestic Italian low cost market, strong and weak players and future challenges?

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:17 pm

I guess we will, sometime in the future, also see CIA-GOA, CIA-TRN, CIA-PMO (if the 'problems' there are overcome), CIA-BGY, etc. I wonder whether there would be sufficient demand for a CIA-TRS and CIA-BDS service.

If it didn't have a 'problem' with BGY, I would expect services from BGY to CIA, BGY to PMO and BGY to AHO. Would there be sufficient demand for BGY-PSR, BGY-PSR and BGY-BRI? I am not too sure about the last lot.

By the way, Verona will be Brescia and Venice will be Treviso. From experience, it takes just under 40 minutes from Treviso to central Venice at a cost less than VCE to central Venice.

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:45 pm

I think they could make PMO, BDS, BRI, TRS, GOA and TRN work from CIA and AHO, PMO, PSR, BRI, BDS from BGY. I am not too sure whether they could make BGY-CIA work.
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:10 pm

X MEA-707
Air One (AP) now is the 2nd national italian carrier after Alitalia (AZ).They operate in Italy as LH partner (so when you fly AP you can collect Miles&More) ; they're flying only on Italian domestic routes (except for Rome FCO - Nice , the only one international) mainly through 3 bases :
- Rome (FCO)
- Milan (LIN)
- Turin (TRN)

They've a quite large and spread network through Italy (from N to S from E to W).
These are cities linked by AP :
Rome (FCO)
Milan (LIN)
Turin (TRN)
Genoa (GOA)
Naples (NAP)
Milan (MXP)
Venice (VCE)
Trieste (TRS)
Albenga (ALL)
Cuneo (CUF)
Pisa (PSA)
Bologna (BLQ)
Pescara (PSR)
Bari (BRI)
Brindisi (BDS)
Lamezia Terme (SUF)
Reggio Calabria (REG)
Catania (CTA)
Palermo (PMO)
Trapani (TPS)
Cagliari (CAG)
Alghero (AHO)

and during the summer (seasonal routes) to :
Totolì , (TTB)
Pantelleria (PNL)
Lampedusa (LMP)

Unfortunately there aren't any LCC (really LC) on domestic italian network , and AP has the same fares like Alitalia , Meridiana.....
Probably the only one (quite lowcost) is Windjet with routes only from Sicily to central and northern Italy.
By the way AP is doing very well in Italy and here they've a quite large piece of the domestic market.

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:16 pm

With the high fares AZ charge for domestic flying in Italy, expect FR to be a runaway success on these markets. Trieste will be another success. The only downside are the operating restrictions at CIA and BGY which restrict departures per hour. I understand that BGY is operating at close to capacity in the early mornings already.

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:32 pm

I thought the Italians had style and finesse, if so Ryanair wont suit them!
 
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:07 pm

I thought the Italians had style and finesse, if so Ryanair wont suit them!


Ryanair suits anyone who wants to get from point A to B quickly and for a relatively low cost. That is a large portion of any country i'm pretty sure  Smile
 
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:12 pm

I thought the Italians had style and finesse, if so Ryanair wont suit them!

And what about the 10 million people who will fly FR this year on their Italian routes? The same thing can be said for the swiss - and look at EasyJets performance from Geneva...
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:38 pm

"I thought the Italians had style and finesse, if so Ryanair wont suit them!"

It's not just the 'flying shellsuits' who fly FR, unlike on charter airlines, of course. Don't you, Mr Onion, umm, Orion, fly charter airlines? You will find that businesspeople fly FR from DUB to the major cities in the UK, like LON, BHX and MAN, and vice-versa, and on routes where there is no competition.

If Italians have "style and finesse," why do they eat pizza with their hands? Not very stylish, eh?

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:44 pm

Will they be competing with Windjet on any of those routes?

Do you think they might go to Palermo as well maybe? (obviously after Palermo airport clean up their act).
 
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:15 pm

Will they be competing with Windjet on any of those routes?

Wind who?????  Smile/happy/getting dizzy will be Ryanairs attitude. Once Ryanair starts eating Windjets domestic italian route growth opportunities (which they have just started doing), and then picks off a route or two, Windjet will follow Volare and Ciao Fly on the road to nowhere! They dont have the scale or costbase to play Ryanairs game!

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:18 pm

It's not just the 'flying shellsuits' who fly FR, unlike on charter airlines
Sorry Pe@rson, businessmen fly on charter airlines also, who offer good prices and good service  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Of course, they are on holiday and so are in a cheery mood.
The only bad thing about charter airlines is the crying babies on a 2am flight back from TFS  Sad
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:19 pm

"I thought the Italians had style and finesse, if so Ryanair wont suit them!"

Just like someone's comment re. Florida residents being style-conscious so would not fly Southwest because it is effectively 'cheap and nasty.' What a load of dog's excrement! That statement might apply to an extremely tiny percentage of the population of that state, whereas if an average Florida resident (read: 99% of the residents) can get a fare for $39 instead of the next cheapest $200, then they will very quickly go for the cheapest deal. Really isn't a difficult concept.

"Of course, they [businesspeople] are on holiday."

Then they're not flying the charter airlines for business reasons.  Laugh out loud Come on, Kirkie, you're slowing! lol



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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:22 pm

Pe@rson, but they may be looking for a new holiday home or planning to open a bar on Magaluf. So they could be on business  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:44 pm

Or on a drugs run from North Africa or cancun!  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:48 pm

Now now BestWestern, South Atlantic Airlines are no longer with us
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:07 am

With all the troubles AZ is in, this could be the final blow for AZ....If Ryanair will expand even more in Italy, this might just push AZ over the edge :-(

Good luck AZ, they will need it. Or a large amount of government money might safe them as well
 
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:25 am

If Italians have "style and finesse," why do they eat pizza with their hands? Not very stylish, eh?

Better than eating beans and sausages for breakfast still!

Being Italian is much more than just fashionable clothes (for those who care about such things) and fancy restaurants. It's a way of life.

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Sorry, couldn't resist....don't you love generalizations Big grin

Back to the topic - I am sure FR will be quite successful on these new domestic routes. Whether people other than tourists will be willing to take the 1h+ bus ride to Treviso remains to be seen, but given the amount of tourists that Venice and Rome get year-round, this should not be an issue.
I for one might take them a couple times - we've been missing a true low-cost alternative to caput mundi - but FR are not my favorite way to travel.

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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:13 am

Actually, Federico, the TSF-central Venice bus only took me 40 mins when I was there in August. And it was cheaper than the VCE-central Venice bus.
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:33 am

Actually, Federico, the TSF-central Venice bus only took me 40 mins when I was there in August. And it was cheaper than the VCE-central Venice bus.

This afternoon by car from Treviso San Giuseppe to Mestre (the part of Venice on the land) took me 45 minutes....

 
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RE: Ryanair To Start Domestic Flights In Italy

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:53 am

Guess the traffic was better for me.  Smile
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