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Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:37 am

Hi, just a quick question regarding CDG.
I've got an hour connection in CDG, but will have been checked all the way through to my final destination in LON.I've got to get from 2F to 2A. I've heard that I shouldn't take the free bus going to the terminals because:
1) I won't be able to find them
2) Some of them don't go to the terminal I need
This is worrying me!
I was told that I should rather walk between 2F and 2A. But isn't that a long walk-someone was saying 30mins! Can't be...can it?
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:24 am

Landside shuttle bus (line 3) operates from 2F to 2A and runs every eight minutes. It is a indeed a pretty long walk. No idea about airside shuttle busses but did not hear good things.
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:25 am

If you're arriving from the UK and departing to another airport outside the Schengen area, take the airside bus - it may take a bit longer, but you miss the joys of passport control both into and out of France. 2 hours should be plenty.
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:25 am

CDG is a riot. I flew AF back in November (YYZ-CDG-MUN) and no matter the fact I've transferred through CDG numerous times, the place is still one
delicious, lunatic chaotic nightmare. In short, it's the proverbial 'French Farce'. The scene that greets the weary traveller upon walking outside the doors of Terminals A B C & D reminds me of the congested, chaotic traffic that graces the roundabout avenue in front of Rome's coliseum. I'm not joking.

The secret to not going insane at CDG is to take a deep breath, light a ciggie (if you smoke) exhale, and assess the situation re transfering terminals.

Ah yes, the infamous CDG terminal shuttle. Finding the actual designated stop zone is like playing 'Where's Monsieur Waldo?'. Just when you think you have it nailed down, in respect to where ze autobus stops/picks-up, well, then they KNOW you're onto them.....so they change their strategy. Ah, those French! *wink*. LOL. Seriously, the inter-terminal bus NEVER (at least the times I've been there) stops where it should, and it's a laugh and a half to see scads of pax with baggage run like hell en masse when they sight the bus and literally chase after it! Good luck looking for signs pertaining to this service. But don't fret, all is not lost.

I'm afraid that from 2F to 2A you have no choice but to take the Charles de Gaulle Magical Mystery Tour. Walking it? forget it. Actually, the transfer service is not as bad as I perhaps make it out to be. The buses usually pick-up/drop off at the far ends of the respective terminals, so make for that particular area outside. Just look for 10-20 anxious chain-smoking people with carry-ons, and you'll know you're in the right vicinity.

Note: Le Autobus DOES make a pitstop at each terminal, from what I've seen, so relax, you'll get to terminal 2A.

Re CDG 2A B C & D: I have heard a dark rumour that has been handed down from generation to generation about the legend, the mystery of the secret connecting tunnels that pax may access to transfer between these terminals as opposed to taking the transfer bus. I myself have tried and failed to find these catacombs, yet French archeologists, after years of research and on-site expeditions have now ascertained that they ARE in fact there.

 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:33 am

A very simple answer to your title-question:

YES!!
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:34 am

Flying from non Schengen to non Schengen allows you to take the airside bus.
In this case, 1 hour is more than enough. to have more information, go to the transfer desk at you arrival.(there is one in each arrival zone, before you go through the passport control, indicated in severap languages + the international pictogram showing 2 planes)
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:15 am

I did a CDG transfer this summer. Thank gosh I allowed 5 hours between flights and not the 1 hour option. I was flying frequent flier miles so on my way back from Prague I had to spend the night in AMS (no problem there with tons of spotting.) So the next morning I took a 6:50am flight from AMS-CDG on KLM arrived at T2F. Now I needed to get to a NW flight at T1. Just the walk from the plane to the bus was a good 15mins. And there were some signs but then you walk down a hall and you don't know to go right or left. So once I made it to the bus it was another 30mins bus ride to T1. Crossing the entire airfield and stopping at each stop sign (I'm not complaining, but I know it is for safety, but just the time part I hated) So we got to T1 and the bus driver was like T1....and opens the doors as I was walking out she's like "what airline" I said "Northwest" she stopped and said...hmmmm...I dunno if they are this Terminal. Who told you to go here? So she than gets the radio out calls some in french and yada yada after 5more minutes shes like yeah it's here. So finally I got to T1. (Which makes the old smith terminal at DTW look like a gem)

So transferring at CDG = BAD!


Other side note: 3 years ago I flew in on Continental into 2A and walked to a Air France flight to Florence in 2F that walk took some time! At that time after a long international flight the last thing I wanted to do was get on some smelly bus crammed with people.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:20 am

It's a fairly long walk, but I prefer the walk to the bus.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:20 am

The walk from 2F to 2A is not that bad. It will take you 20 mins but you will have some great views of the aircraft.

CCG 1 is actually okay and not even comparable to the old Smith terminal in DTW, in my opinion.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:11 am

Ia Orana all...

I see that CDG is still a nightmare for most travellers...
My suggestion is that you should write to ADP, every single one of you and tell them about your experiences...
I know that at Air France whatever we ask for or try to do is a nightmare for us too...
There is a story that was told by one of our trainers while I was attending a purser training course... He told us that AF had requested to have huge clocks about the airports so that customers could know the local time... The reply to AF from ADP's famous architect was that in no way ADP was to put a clock in the terminals because an airport was timeless like travel !!! A real LUNATIC is you ask me !!!
We also started to run into walls when we requested to have arrivals lounge years ago... Guess what ADP offered ??? A small room with a table !!! AF laughed and couldn't believe...
So don't think we have any saying into what goes in the terminal even if we are the prime renter of the facility...

So please, write to ADP, every person you know, be factual, tell them what's wrong and offer solutions if you have any... apart from demolishing the whole site...

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:20 am



well this is great to find out! I booked a ticket via CDG cause I had never been there and I didnt want to do LGW. Thought it would be an "adventure" and i could try new spotting. Maybe I should have known when the ADP site sucked ass in trying to understand what airlines were where. My question:

Will it be hard to transfer from AA international to AF inter-Europe flight? I think ive got 3 hours.
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:31 am

"Will it be hard to transfer from AA international to AF inter-Europe flight? I think ive got 3 hours."

No problem. 3 hours is MORE than plenty to make your connecting AF inter-Europe flight. CDG may be somewhat chaotic, but IMHO anyone who can't find their connecting gate at CDG in 3 hours is not the sharpest tool in the shed, and perhaps shouldn't be travelling alone.

You have plenty of time, especially as your AF connecting flight boarding pass should be issued to you at your point of departure.

Funny, I only noticed the lack of clocks in the terminals on my last trip. I did find it more than a little odd that a major hub like CDG could not provide transiting pax a time reference. Oh well.




 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:34 am

I've been there twice couple of years ago. Never again...

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:37 am

Amhilde
Absolutely not!!!

I do not understand some of the people here complaining about the transfer between CDG2 terminals if they have to walk!!! The walking distance is not that long, and certainly not as long as it could be in some american airports (like O'Hare or Atlanta for example) or european airports (LHR or FRA)

But don't get me wrong :
CDG T1 is ugly and I can't wait to see the renovation over.
CDG in the whole could be a nice airport : the problem is ADP (state owned)
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:10 am

"I do not understand some of the people here complaining about the transfer between CDG2 terminals if they have to walk!!!"

I see your point, but please bear in mind the fact that proper signage indicating the connecting tunnels (2A B C D) are practically non-existent at CDG, as is ave no idea they can access the tunnels, and the thought of walking AROUND the loop, especially after an overseas flight, is not exactly enticing. CDG can be somewhat disconcerting for the first timer. After transfering at CDG all these years, I only learned of the tunnels from a Frenchman aboard my lastest AF flight. Trust me, I've navigated many airports, but CDG is among the few that takes the cake.....hmmm.....or is the slogan of the ADP: "Let the pax EAT cake!"? *wink*

In all fairness, terminals 2E and 2F are quite spacious and airy. I rather like them both.

Segway: In my personal opinion, Air France Tempo/Economy offers probably the best in-flight service for trans-atlantic service from North America.
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'The Streets of San Francisco' and 'Happy Days'?? LOL.

 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:19 am

I agree that it is an utter nightmare. It gets a bit better should you be able to speak French, otherwise don't expect a very warm welcome  Sad Pity, it could possibly Europe's premier hub. It's really sad that 4 out of the 5 largest airports in Europe are horrible, AMS being the only exception.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:21 am

This post is worrying me! I am flying AF LHR to NRT via CDG in March and have a 50 minute connection. I believe the flights operate from the same terminal though, 2F I think.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:47 am

"I agree that it is an utter nightmare. It gets a bit better should you be able to speak French, otherwise don't expect a very warm welcome".

So true, I'm afraid. Many (but certainly not all, to be fair) of the AF ground staff look upon non-French speakers as rather bothersome and inferior. I've seen many a non-French speaker/pax rudely brushed off by AF staff, or worse, patronized to their faces, and it really pissed me off. These people are the reason the AF staff are there, the reason they have a job for Christ sake.
Mind you, every airline has em. Air France certainly does not hold the monopoly on apathetic staff.

"Pity, it could possibly Europe's premier hub."

It could indeed, but the time has long passed for the ADP to do a major overhaul at CDG, aside from 2E & F being opened. Terminals A, B, C & D have been hopelessly outdated for quite some time. Even their design/look is archaic, not retro. The more the ADP revamps CDG, the worse it gets. Terminals 2E and F are great, but when the other terminals don't measure up in comparison, then there's a serious problem. There is just no ebb and flow at CDG.

Mind you, as bad as CDG is, there are worse, LHR being the prime example.

"It's really sad that 4 out of the 5 largest airports in Europe are horrible, AMS being the only exception."

AMS gets high marks from me (and countless others) for easy, stress free connections. I also love MUC Franz Joseph Int'l (even though it's not a major hub).Then again, leave it to the wonderful Germans in regards to brilliant organization, overall smooth operations and efficiency.



 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:53 am

"This post is worrying me! I am flying AF LHR to NRT via CDG in March and have a 50 minute connection. I believe the flights operate from the same terminal though, 2F I think."

50 minutes is rather tight, and is barely a legal connection, but if you arrive and connect through 2F you should make your connection. Just pray your
arrival into CDG is on time....and no pee breaks on the way to your connecting gate!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:54 am

Ah, CDG. The worst airport I've ever seen, at least the old terminal. I found amazing the fact that to take the shuttle to the train station you have to go from floor 4 to floor 1, nothing wrong with that. The issue is that to get down you have only ONE elevator or lift. Only one for chris sake! It's funny as hell to see lots of people waiting for a little space on the lift. Once you finally get the chance to get down, now it's time to chase the freaking shuttle. CDG is a great way to star a Paris trip if you ask me. Nuts
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:20 am

Unfortunetaly, the great experience I have had on various AF flights does not match the nightmare of CDG. I have only flown on BOS-CDG-SVO routings, and it includes the added chaos of the terminal collapse. The Autobus is nearly impossible. There are no signs anywhere, at not point did the driver ever annouce where we were, it randomly didn't stop at some of the terminals, etc. The terminals themselves, except for the nice one before it collapsed, are dark, smoky, oddly signed, have very few places to sit, etc. etc. etc. Oh, and really really really really rude staff who don't respond to my best please and thank-yous. I am sorry I do not speak French, and apparently they are too. I will say that CDG is heaven compared to SVO....
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:23 am

well, being a frequent transfer passenger in and out of CDG, I can honestly say its a little hard but once you get used to it, it becomes like a regular walk in the park.

I have transfered in and out of CDG 18 time and will continue to do so in the future. The first time transfering in all airports is hard. The first time I transfered in CDG I almost missed my connecting flight, but AF is so good about these things that they tend to hold the flights.

I can only speak for the new terminals becuase I have never been to the old terminal, but it is way out there at the airport.

I have to say I find ORY and AMS much, much more hard to transfer in. In ORY you have walk in this long walk way for a while and than you come out and than you have to walk outside of the terminal and get onto the monoraill to take you to ORY south, which is a major pain and than you have to check in again for your connecting flight!

At AMS ever corner you turn you have to go through a passport check, which after the thrid time gets really anouying, and also there are so many concourses that it is hard to find the right one!

At CDG I find the bus system really good and trustworthy. I have never done the walk way between buildings.

To me CDG is no nightmare.
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:28 am

Ah, CDG....

What a paradox: a horribly run, yet very well designed airport.. It COULD be so good!

I don't think AF is really to blame here, or even their patchy ground staff. How would you like to work under the tyranny of 8 different fiefdoms, all in mortal combat for heaven knows what political supremacy...AKA: ADP "The Beast that does the will of the Beast" If you want a case study in diabolical buracracy, look know futher. I think if we were in the 14th century, Dante would have cited CDG as one his chambers of hell, or at least purgatory!!

The thing is, it needn't be that way. There's nothing wrong with the DESIGN of the airport. It's just run like a third world city (but then so is LHR).

But I digress... To the matter at hand: Transfers...

i) Courage
ii) Read this map VERY carfully http://www.adp.fr/webadp/a_cont01_an.nsf/0/56AA30A1025EE34F4125687E006DC15F/$File/Parc%20CDG_2004_v2.pdf
ii) The shuttles DO work. You just need faith
iii) If you value your luggage, pick it up and re-check it (i.e. allow 90mins). ADP loose around 10% if all luggage transferred at CDG (full stop)
iv) There IS a pedestrian underpass: I've used it a number of times and I THINK it's between 2A-2C to 2B-2D; You may also be able to cross over at the TGV station.
v) Take heart: they are building an inter-terminal shuttle train
vi) Read the signs VERY carefully and STICK to your last sure direction. In my experience, you will arrive at your destination.

And another thing, I know it's a philosphical abstraction at the time, but try to image yourself not speaking English at LHR or JFK or SYD and think what sort of reception you might get, particulary at JFK Immigration (Ahhgg).

Hope this helps.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:29 am

Hmm... strange: the thought of flying through LGW or LHR gives me far more cold shivers down my spine than the thought of transitting through CDG: yes, it can be a bit confusing the first time you're there, but I found the staff quite helpful - but, true, it does help if you speak French.

Still, I wouldn't worry too much: millions of people transfer through CDG each year, and most of them make their connections without problems... or at least without too many problems.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:37 am

CDG is very much best avoided, as others said.
Much better to use AMS, not perfect either but the best of a bad lot (CDG, LHR, AMS or FRA)

Especially avoid CDG 1 which is a run down and very disorganised dump - confused layout, dirty and broken / stained or gum marked seating at the satelites. If you are early at CDG and the check in desk is not open, there is almost no where convenient to sit and wait. Exit doors seem designed by a specialist in designing mazes. Catering facilities there landside are abysmal.

CDG 2 is marginally better. Not improved by the ceiling fall however.
CDG transfer procedures everywhere are confused, to say the least especially for non - Schegen arrivals connecting to a Schengen flight.

It is somewhat better organised than LHR but the frequent strike problems at CDG tend to even things out. The strike may not be at CDG but knock on effects, when passengers are late due to train cancellations and miss flights or other problems it can ruin your day as huge numbers queue ahead of you.

There are very few e check in users at CDG yet, I just noticed LH and one other carrier with them in CDG 1 on Sat.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:44 am

dear friends

I've been working for 5 years @ CDG and all I read is unfortunately true  Sad

as mentioned before I all blame it on ADP which I hate

AF Cabin Crew: I believe you with your LOL story of "timeless travel".....(mieux vaut en rire que pleurer)
we had the same stupid answer when we asked for bigger signs indicating the exit at circular T1 (mind you..) "Mr. chief architect will never accept HIS terminal is ruined by ugly signs breaking the lines of his design"  Embarrassment

SFOMEX: when I started at CDG1 the buses were just in front of the exit at level 4.... the genius ADP came with this silly idea of ONE elevator for transfering all pax + bags to level 0
we told ADP that would be a total mess (and it is!!!)
answer: "our engineers thought about it and the elevators that have been selected are heavy duty very quick and reliable"
yeah right, just go and check in summer season the mess it creates 12 hours a day

for the sometimes arrogant staff not speaking english, that's somehow true but I witnessed the same in lots of US airports and in an AA flight starting from CDG for non english speakers....which of course isn't justifying anything

otherwise, to answer the question, the shutlle bus can be quite confusing...
even for me after all these years I find myself yelling at ADP for being so...pathetic
to walk between A and F is possible and will ask you 30 minutes considering you'll have to slalom between happy or angry pax in check in areas flying to Douala, Dehli, Newark and Beijing (incomplete list)
positive side: you have the occasion to "visit" and see the difference between terminals and also can at some occasions a view out with nice metal to see




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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:44 am



Well, im very VERY used to LHR, and the walking, nasty terminals, and oddly-placed toilets, so im sure I can handle whatever CDG throws at me. I also speak French quite decently, so i figured it would be ok.

Heres another question- Coming back im CPH-CDG that gets in at noon with the AA leaving at 2.25- is THAT fairly oK? Can i check in to RNO from CPH with an interline transfer?

As for large international airports- LAX is still my fav (esp TBI), followed by LHR ( a special place in my heart for its scariness), though AMS is a very very nice airport, the passport checks WERE a pain and I felt like I was constantly in a mall....CPH is also beautiful and efficient, but I didnt like VIE much, especially transferring downstairs to the little planes for flights futher east.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:58 am

Hi, just a quick question regarding CDG.
I've got an hour connection in CDG, but will have been checked all the way through to my final destination in LON.I've got to get from 2F to 2A. I've heard that I shouldn't take the free bus going to the terminals because:
1) I won't be able to find them
2) Some of them don't go to the terminal I need
This is worrying me!
I was told that I should rather walk between 2F and 2A. But isn't that a long walk-someone was saying 30mins! Can't be...can it?


Hi,

please be careful - CDG is a delay-creating airport. Your only hope is that your connection flight is delayed too...

Some general problems:
I flew through CDG twice (HAM-CDG-SFO and back and HAM-CDG-MIA and back). The Schengen flights now arrive in T2F if you are on AF, the intercontinental flights mostly depart from 2A. The bus is a nightmare - crammed, and you get stuck in small aisles or escalators for the transfers-security. Trying to walk is hard too - I also never found those underground corridors - wonder if they really exist, or if they are just a legend.
So I finally ended up crossing the streets - problem: they have not been designed for crossing, so you end up walking on the side (there are no sidewalks) of the street that curves around 2A, then 2B, 2C and 2D. It's a real nightmare.

Maybe it's the French logic I simply don't get (i.e. why do the satellite numbers in T1 start counting in the middle, with 1,2,3 then the drive-up-area, then 4, 5, 6, and 7 on the other side - causing 1 and 7 to be next to each other in the middle???). T2 A to D look all the same from the architecure and size, but all four have totally different floor plans and directions (i.e. A, B and D have just one storey, T2 C has two). Does that make sense???

Another, to me, not acceptable problem:
the ADP-people hardly speak any English!
I was waiting for a friend arriving from TXL to fly to MIA with me, I got concerned because he didn't show up (he got stuck in the security-waiting-line-aisle, but finally made it in time), so I asked whether that flight arrived on time. The answer was: "Berlin, ah, ah, Terminal 2F". Well, thanks, I knew where he would arrive, but I wanted to know, WHETHER he arrived. Thanks to God I know some French, so I finally got the requested information.
However, I think, on major airports ANYWHERE, they should speak a decent English!

So, finally: One hour is probably much of a hassle - but can be made, if you're running quickly and are in good shape. You have a good chance of delay on your connection, so you'll arrive at the boarding gate sweating, just to get the information, it'll take another hour or so...

So, after all, CDG is exciting, if you love the adventure. It's a nightmare, if you're in a rush and just want to make your connection.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:02 am

"CPH is also beautiful and efficient"

CPH-Kastrup is a true gem. Wonderful, comfortable airport with superlative shopping and plenty of great cafes offering great tarmac views.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:09 am

Last year it took me 15 minutes to get from from the 737 from OSL to the 747 to MIA at CDG, but we landed late - and a airport employee was waiting to escort me from a/c to a/c.

I will do the same route on SK and VS in two Weeks, will see how LHR is for the first time. I have been to CDG and AMS many times, and never had any big issues.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:11 am


Hence why im thrilled to be going back!

Many thanks to whomever posted the map upthread... I printed it out and have been studying it- looks easy enough, but then again an airport map of LHR looks easy too. Ah well, should be a good laugh and hopefully Ill get a few good stories out of it  Smile
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:20 am

"So I finally ended up crossing the streets - problem: they have not been designed for crossing, so you end up walking on the side (there are no sidewalks) of the street that curves around 2A, then 2B, 2C and 2D. It's a real nightmare."

You're one brave dude. I contemplated doing the same thing a year or so ago, but given the way motorists drive at CDG (ala Formula 1/Grand Prix) I elected to take the mystery shuttle bus (round and round we go, where we stop, nobody knows!).

Truth be told, as others have stated here, the 2nd, 3rd and additional transfers through CDG do get easier, once you become accustomed to the
ill-logic of the place. Today, I find CDG great comic relief when travelling.

 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:24 am

You're one brave dude. I contemplated doing the same thing a year or so ago, but given the way motorists drive at CDG (ala Formula 1/Grand Prix) I elected to take the mystery shuttle bus (round and round we go, where we stop, nobody knows!).

Yeah - I know, but when I have to catch a flight, I usually get quite heroic... Insane
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:29 am

PA101, roll your eyes all you want, but I've been told by ADP staff that numerous pax over the years have been struck by cars doing exactly what you did - the incidents go largely unreported. That walk is not as safe as you and many others think it appears to be. I want to catch my connection and bypass the deathwish.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:34 am

PA101, roll your eyes all you want, but I've been told by ADP staff that numerous pax over the years have been struck by cars doing exactly what you did - the incidents go largely unreported. That walk is not as safe as you and many others think it appears to be. I want to catch my connection and bypass the deathwish.

I rolled the eyes at my behaviour, not on your comment - I guess, when I'm in a hurry, I simply don't think about the dangers...
I know, it's stupid and even dangerous, but only CDG and SEA during construction made me do this so far.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:51 am

PA101, thanks for clarifying. I guess what you did (the walk on the actual road) only serves to illustrate how desperate some pax become in regards to making it to their connecting terminal. Just a friendly warning to anyone thinking of walking on the actual roads at CDG T2 - DON'T!!

I clearly remember one time I was in T2-D, after arriving from T2-A. There was this middle aged Italian guy, sitting alone in a seat near the security entrance to the departure gate area. As I was walking passed him, he appeared to me to look ill. I approached him and asked him if he was alright. He looked up at me with weary eyes, and exclaimed 'I'm okay. I'm just really confused by this place. It makes me tired." LOL. Poor guy.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:52 am

"As I was walking passed him"

Correction: "As I was walking past him". And English is my first language, no?
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:03 am

Man, I am now really, REALLY worried!
If I walk between 2F and 2A, can I do so by being on airside? Or, do I have to land myself in CDG and then walk on landside. On my AF leaflet it says I can do it while on airside.
I should have gone direct with BA!
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:20 am

2F to 2A airside? That's quite the jaunt, give yourself at least 30-35 minutes to make this journey to 2F.

Otherwise, take the Mystery Shuttle. Just inquire at 2F where the HELL it stops! Once you're aboard, you should be at 2A in about 5-10 minutes. And yeah, the shuttle can be pretty cramped, but I personally would rather ride it than walk it.

Relax. You'll make your connection. Look forward to your CDG connexion as an adventure.....err...and then some. After all, Air France IS a founding member of the Skyteam Alliance! *wink*. Bon Voyage!
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:20 am

I must have been lucky this past summer (Northern Hemisphere) I connected twice in CDG a couple of weeks after the collapse of the new walkway, and I did not have trouble. First I arrived from MEX and I had to fly to MAD and I took the airside bus. I arrived with plenty of time to my departure gate. On my way back, I came from STR and I walked. It was not that bad.
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:30 am


So now apparently there are how many levels to this airport? Im going 2A to 2D- CanadianBoy- you seem to know whats going on, can you give me the sequence of events that occurs as I travel from my intl arriving flight at 2A to the interEuro one at 2D?
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:42 am

The only joke I found at CDG was the inability to use a foreign credit card to buy Metro tickets at the airport station. Apparently you can purchase the tickets with a foreign credit card, but the ability to do so is frequently unavailable due to equipment problems. Since the machines only take coins, we had to wait in line nearly an hour to buy the tickets at the ticket office. That was a joke. But getting from AA (don't remember which terminal we're in) to the Metro was quick and easy, less than five minutes by bus.

When we arrived at CDG I was surprised at how easy passport control was. We had to wait about 20 minutes in line, but I didn't think that was a big deal. The immigrations officer didn't even stamp my wife's passport. Since this was her first time traveling outside of north America, she was disappointed  Smile/happy/getting dizzy, but she at least got an exit stamp on our way out of France.

On my way out of Paris, I had to stop at the AA ticket desk to purchase non-rev tickets on BA. Once I had those tickets getting from AA to BA was really easy via one of those tunnels. I was actually quite surprised at how easy it was. Granted, I have no other exposure to CDG so perhaps getting between AA and BA is really easy compared to other connections. I didn't notice the lack of clocks in the terminals.
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:04 am

I had to transfer and took bus from terminal to terminal (got a bit confused at first finding right bus stop)

Went from Thai Airways arrival to Delta departures (two seperate terminals)

took me 30 minutes, but 10 minutes trying to get info on which bus stop around the huge circle terminal.
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:06 am

the last time I went through immigration in Paris, it was like 1 minute, very little line, but its kinda cramped in the old terminal. But the male inspector was giving me a look, Id rather not go into it.

I do miss the first time I went to Paris by using terminal E with Tower Air
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:57 am



I usually connect through Paris CDG than any other European airport. That too BY CHOICE! But I guess each to his own.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:59 pm

I'm with WindowSeat... I would choose to connect through CDG over any other major European airport I've been to - with the exception perhaps of CPH. I've always found CDG to be painless and surprisingly quick.

The worst has got to be LHR.
 
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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:51 pm

This is makin' me very scared in a way.
Im flying from SVo to IAh via CDG in April. I arrive 2B and depart 2F, and i have 1 hour and 10 minuttes. Though it gets worst on the way back! After a long overnight flight i arrive from IAH to CDG and have to connect to my next flight in 45min!!! They sold me the ticket! It must be an able connection! Can someone just tell me what the easiest and fastest way of connection is?!
Does AF help their passengers with very tight connections???

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:44 am

Good to see that someone else like MUC. It's my home airport, and I think the design is rather good. It could still use more intercontinental traffic though. The European network is one of the best there is. After all MUC has over 250 destinations that are being served.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:57 am

The best airport in Europe connection wise must be BRU, ZRH and AMS. I love those airports and I would transfer at those airports anytime.
My worst airport in Europe is CDG. It wouldn't be probably that bad, but it takes ages for someone who doesn't speak French to ask for direction. French people don't give a damn about others.
FRA is number two on my list. Come on. There must be "thousands" of signs in the terminals, and thats why is so confusing. When I went thru FRA first time, I ended up going up and down for about 30 minutes trying to locate my gate. Too many signs which are conflicting with each others.
Next time I'll fly via FRA I will have compas with me.


PS - In my opinion LHR isn't that bad. I kind of like that airport.

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RE: Paris CDG Transfer - Is It A Nightmare?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:37 am

Re: PS - In my opinion LHR isn't that bad. I kind of like that airport.

Don't get me started ! LHR is a NIGHTMARE for transits, it is truly appalling. T1-T1 is just about bearable (although you have to go through security AGAIN, and if you're arriving at the Europier and departing from the UK/Rep. of Ireland airconditioning duct, be prepared to walk about 5 miles!), T1-T2 is very confusing, through long rat-laboratory-style tunnels. T1-T3 is by cold slow cramped ugly bus, T1/2/3-T4 is just hideous in any direction, and NEVER transit at LHR from the central area to T4 or vv, however long your transfer time, your luggage WON'T MAKE IT !
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