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United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:37 am

Anyone know how many F/As UA staffs on each aircraft type, and in each cabin?

Need it for calculating the F/A to pax ratios.

Thanks in advance.
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Goldenshield
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:45 am

Federal regulations require that there 1 flight attendant for every 50 seats on the aircraft, et. al.:

250 seat aircraft, carrying 130 passengers will still need the mandatory 5 flight attendants.

270 will require 6, etc.

Right now, with how much they are hurting, I would be surrpised if they have more than the bare minimum (except in the case of new-hire training.)
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:35 am

I always thought the FAA minimum was 1 F/A for every door?
 
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:54 am

It really depends on what type of service (beverage/cold meal/hot meal), passenger load, and flight time...kinda confusing. For example:

737BB/BQ:
UF:1
UE:2-3 depending on flight time and meal category. Meal category 3/4, flt time under 2:30 with passenger load between 90-112 carries 3, everything else (including meal category 3/4 flight time over 2:30 with passenger load between 90-112) carries 2.

Generally speaking, though:
NORTH AMERICA:
737 - 1 FC, 2 YC
A319 - 1 FC, 2 YC
A320 - 1 FC, 2/3 YC
A320 TED - 4 YC
757 - 2 FC, 3/4 YC
757 PS - 4 FC/BC, 2 YC
767-300 DOM - 3 FC, 5/6 YC
767-200 - 5 FC/BC, 4 YC
777 DOM - 3 FC, 6/8 YC

OVERSEAS INTERNATIONAL:
767-300 - 5 FC/BC, 4 YC
777 - 7 FC/BC (Pac/Atl), 6 FC/BC (S. Am), 5 YC
747 - 9 FC/BC, 6 YC

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FlyGuyClt
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:55 am

FAA minimum is 1 FA per 50 PAX.

I think the thread starter was curious as to United's staffing.

IE:

NWA.

DC9-30 2
DC9-40 3
DC9-50 3
A319/320 3
757-200 4
757-300-5
747-400 12
A330-300 9
A330-200 8
DC10-30 7



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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:30 pm

Flyguy,

Would you mind confirming for me your figure of 12 crew on an NW 744 is correct?

Here at NZ we were always led to believe that our 747 staffing is the lowest in the world (13 for shorthaul flights, 14 for longhaul).
I can't even begin to imagine how a longhaul flight would be crewed with only 12~!
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:41 pm



Just for comparison, what were the United numbers say 10 years ago Fly777UAL? Same question for you Flyguyclt?

Growing up, We always flew Delta. I think I remember the 727's having a crew of 5 f/a's, with an average load factor of 50-60%. (We're talking 25 years ago)

I just think it would be interesting to compare.
 
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:31 pm

In 1990 the 744's had 18.
In 2005 the 744's have 12. Yes 12, unless you have positioning flight attendants. Plus you have an Asian based Inflight Service Representitive. AKA Interpreter.

65 WBC - 5 F/A's.
338YC- 7 F/A's.


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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:11 am

L104me -

DL 727's only had jumpseats for 4. 4 was max staffing on a DL 727.

TG992, NW 744's are a 2 cabin aircraft, not 3 like NZ. So the staffing can be done with 12, as you don't need to dedicate crew to 3 seperate cabins.
 
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:13 am

Eastern's 727's only had 4 jumpseats as well. However, the aisle seat next to the galley at door 2R was blocked when a 5th was added.

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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:25 am

Have seen B747-200 operator staff only 11 F/A. Basically one for each main door and 1 on the upper deck.
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:36 am

The FAR's require 1 F/A for EACH 50 SEATS, regardless of the passenger count. How many the airline chooses to augment that is up to the carrier and any contractual obligations it has with the F/A's union.

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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:28 am

On any particular flight you might have positioning crews that are working the flight and would throw off the crew counts. That being said, NW now crews all flights domestically with minimum staffing and will very rarely add an additional crew member who might be under their monthly guarantee. By doing this, this might eliminate them having to pay this person for not working and causing the working crew not to get paid for "short crew". If the aircraft is staffed at minimum crew and the passenger count exceeds a certain preset number, the crew is compensated for it.
 
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:00 am

FYI - in Pan Am's last days, they sometimes had 747s go out with 9 f/as (their 74s were configured 21F44C347Y for a total of 412 pax.) but the norm then was also around 12.
 
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:01 am

I always thought the FAA minimum was 1 F/A for every door?

Hmmm, never seen 4 FA's on a Beech 1900...unless 2 were dead-heading.  Smile

I believe the 50/FA rule is accurate.
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:37 pm

I remember when I first started flying in 2000 our staffing was 18 on the 744 and 14 on the 772 for INTL. Now it's 15 on the 744 and 12 on the 772.

My how times have changed!

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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:44 pm

To clarify on the "one FA per 50 pax" rule, you have to add a flight attendant each time you add any fraction of an extra 50 passengers (if that makes sense). Hence, 149 passengers require three FAs, whilst 150 or 151 require four.

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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:35 pm

150 Passengers is still the cut off for a minimum crew of 3 flight attendants. NWA's 320's used to have 12F 138Y for 150 total with 3 flight attendants. Today those airplanes have 16F and 132Y for 148 total with 3 flight attendants.


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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:18 am

Whoops, sorry, I was being pessimistic for some reason with the fifties  Smile
 
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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:28 am

A few years ago on an AA flight from DFW to ORD, we had an aircraft switch from a 777 to an MD-80. (needless to say some passengers got bumped). Anyway, the FA crew did not change because all of the FA's had to be in Chicago for their next leg. It was hilarious because we had almost a dozen FA's on an MD-80. They were everywhere.

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RE: United Flight Attendant Staffing

Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:58 am

Again, it does not matter how many passengers are on a flight. You must have 1 F/A for every 50 SEATS, regardless of pax load.

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