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Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:50 pm

The notorious TFN; is there a memorial plaque or stone to commemorate the people who died in the 1977 runway collision or the 1981 Dan Air crash at the airport? if so, where abouts because I would like to visit next time I am on the island.

If not, why not?
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:19 pm

The only memorial that I know of for the KL-PA crash is in Amsterdam, at the "Westgaarde" cemetery. Most of the Dutch victims of the crash are buried there, so I figure the authorities thought it made more sense to place the memorial there, rather than near or at TFN.
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:47 pm

The Dan-Air 727 was not involved in a runway collision - which is why there might be confusion with the KL-PA crash at the same airport - but crashed into the mountain following confusion in the flight deck and air traffic control.

Interestingly, whilst air traffic control was trying to raise the Dan-Air 727, they gave directions to a British Airtours 707 and Britannia 737 following behind the Dan-Air 727 to turn in a direction that would have also put them on course to collide with the mountains, which were fog covered at the time. Fortunately the captains of both aircraft were familiar with the airport and approach and sought clarification of the wrong instructions. This was highlighted in the accident report.

I do not know where the memorial is but a guess would be at the crash site on the mountain.



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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:48 pm

I hope there is one, I would like to visit.

It seems strange that there is no momorial at the site of the worls worst air accident!
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:31 am

My grandparents along with many, many other retired people from Leasure World at Laguna Beach CA, died there on the PA plane. Rossmore has a plaque at Leasure World, But as far as I know none at the crash site.
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:05 am

Thats a bit of a disgrace. Why no plaque at the site of the death of over 500 people. Does the Tenerife authorities want the accident forgotten, along with all the poor people that perished.

There should be a plaque or a memorial at or near the airport
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:27 am

There was another deadly crash right on the airport in 1972, when a Spantax Cvr-990 lost control in fog on take off, killing 156 (many German holiday makers). I tried to find any trace in the PR on and around the airport of the three accidents which happened in that period. The new TFS is actually built as a result of these three disasters, because TFN foggyness and locations in between the mountains played a role in all accidents. But no mention at all around the airport or in PR material. Of course an airport doesn't like reminders of all the sorrow which it has seen and played a part in.
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:56 am

No of course it dosent, but it is wrong to try and forget and pretend it never happened. There should be a memorial and it is shocking and appalling that no memorial exists for any of the 3 crashes and their victims.

We will never forget them, despite TFN forgetting them!
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:10 am

I think one of the reasons that there might be no memorials at TFN, or perhaps any other airport where there have been fatal crashes is the same reason why airliners that have been involved in accidents and or damaged are often have their logos painted over.

Let's face it, there are a lot of people that are not all that happy with flying and the last thing they want to see in an airport is a memorial to three air crashes in which many hundreds of people lost their lives.

For example, I don't think I have seen a memorial at heathrow to the people that lost their lives in the trident crash etc. Are there airports that have memorials to accidents?

I heard an interesting story as to why TFN was constructed where it was, but I am not sure of the authenticity. Something to do with a survey by a non-spanish survey team that left without an official report and only a map with a X marking the spot where TFN is now located. Of course, the spanish went ahead and built the airport there. It later turned out that the X was marked as the place NOT to build an airport - for the reasons already mentioned in the posts above. I wonder how true this is?

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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:26 am

The Trident crash was at Staines not at LHR itself. I think the reason you gave for not having a memorial is pretty poor. It happened and the victims should be remembered. We cannot and should not try and forget what happened!
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:42 am

And how far away is Staines? less than a minute flying time. To all intents and purposes to the travelling public, it is the plane that crashed taking off from LHR because the captain didn't extend the slats and had a heart attack on take off. Is there a memorial at MAN for the people that died trying to evacuate a burning 737?

Anyway, maybe I didn't make the point very well. I just think the last place you will find a memorial to a crash or disaster is in an airport terminal or entrance or anywhere the public is likely to go. The last thing airlines, airports or the industry wants is bad publicity, or reasons for people not to get on a place. Maybe all of the people who read this forum love flying, and get a thrill from flying, going through turbulence etc - but joe public/ the average John Doe isn't like that. Ever seen the looks on faces when the engines throttle back after the initial climb? You should watch my girlfriend!

I was at TFN a couple of weeks ago, standing more or less in front where the infamous accident happened. It's a sad tragic place, many people died that could have been avoided - but I am not surprised there's not a memorial.

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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:44 am

I am very suprised. I am also a very nervous flyer but I do not think that is justification for a tragic accident that caused such loss of life to go unmarked.

Commercial interests should come second to remembering the dead!
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:50 am

Business is business - just look how 9/11 affected the industry - scared people don't get on airplanes.
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:10 am

TFN fought like hell to deny any responsibility in the crash, said PA and KLM were totally to blame, PA and KLM pointed the finger at each other and at TFN. by the time the lawyers were done everyone had some shit on their hands. Boeing was also wrung out in court over this! Everyone came away with a bitter taste and as many bodies never came home.... It's best to keep on living and leave the past behind. On behalf of the families, never visit TFN unless you are feeling lucky! Truly you tempt fate at the hands of people who are very careless!
 
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:45 am

Tenerife Memorial and burial site of the Dutch vic

You can click on the photo at the above link for the Dutch memorial in Holland.

Nsfguy--my condolences--is correct, that TFN tried to deny any responsibility, and one wonders what respect to those who perished it would be to thrust a memorial on TFN they feel is unnecessary. I'm glad to see there have been appropriate memorials in the countries where the majority of victims lived, where they may be appreciated by the living, as it should be.
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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:08 pm

because the captain didn't extend the slats and had a heart attack on take off

I thought that the investigation into the Trident crash at Staines never answered the question who extended the flaps that caused Trident G-ARPI to go into a non-recoverable stall. Captain Key was believed to have suffered a heart attack and his reactions were therefore disoriented, but equally the less experienced First Officer could have extended the flaps.

Tenerife North is an airport that demands more care than normal. Apart from its situation with mountains on either side, it is often shrouded by fog. Both the PA/KLM 747s collision on the runway and Dan-Air 727 collision into the mountain (and the Spantax disaster mentioned in an earlier reply) occurred when visibility was restricted. Tenerife South is better located for the tourist hotspots on the island, but is also less prone to fog and therefore not so demanding on approach. With most flights now using Tenerife South, it was somewhat surprising that bmi and GB Airways returned to Tenerife North last season.


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RE: Memorial For Victims Of Tenerife Crash?

Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:13 am

It was supriing but long overdue. Travellers to the north of the island have had to put up with long transfers for some time. The major business and administrative capital Santa Cruz is much better served via TFN as is the northern tourist resort of Puerto De La Cruz.

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