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Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:20 pm

From AP:
ATLANTA (AP)--European airplane maker Airbus (ABI.YY) may have made the world's largest commercial jet, but it won't soon be touching down at Atlanta's airport, the airport's general manager said.

Ben DeCosta said the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is not approved to land the A380 and that he does not think the market would support the double-decker "superjumbo" jet, which is capable of carrying 500 to 800 passengers.

Also, the airport would need a major overhaul to accommodate the A380, which has a 262-foot wingspan and a tail as tall as a seven-story building.

"It would cost millions," DeCosta said.

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He goes on to talk about taxiways and other things. I found it in the WSJ so I can't provide a link. Sorry.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:33 pm

Isn't Atlanta one of the most congested airport in the world ?
Considering the traffic, "it would cost millions" is probably not very convincing.
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:42 pm

Congested? I dunno if that word is accurate. It's certainly busy, but it can expand, unlike many (CDG/LHR/etc.)
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:55 pm

Read the whole sad story. He is not even planning for the aircraft, too much money for little reward. Very sad comment from someone whom is in charge of the busiest airport in the world. Never mind there are plenty of other forward thinking airports out there.
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:57 pm

Hmm... Wasn't Air France planning to fly the A380 to ATL?

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:03 pm


Any change will cost millions.

Unless they have surplus slots, then they need more runways or bigger aircraft.

A lot will depend on what Delta do.
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:03 pm

"Ben DeCosta said the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is not approved to land the A380 and that he does not think the market would support the double-decker "superjumbo" jet, which is capable of carrying 500 to 800 passengers."

I take it this gentleman has some marketing research to back this statement up ?? And exactly what market is he talking about ??
Don't the airlines decide on what aircraft to operate,not an airport manager ??

If Boeing builds a larger B747 I guess that won't be able to operate in ATL either ??

The operational problems due to the size makes sense , but the marketing
comments are odd.


 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:04 pm

"Wasn't Air France planning to fly the A380 to ATL?"

Apparently, not anytime soon. He may be right in the near term, there aren't that many, if any 744s serving ATL as it is.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:11 pm

Biggles:

Marketing research? He runs the airport. I'm sure he knows by heart what sort of traffic levels go in and out of there, and he probably knows pretty well what they will be like in the future.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:15 pm

This is really messed up (wanted to use a different wors there but the a.net editors may not have liked it). It smacks of protectionism to me, this guy trying to protect Boeing from the competition by not allowing Airbus to fly there.

Well in a few years the A380 is gaining popularity and being used extensively he'll be kicking himself for doing this. And if he isn't kicking himself, I'll kick him!

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:26 pm

It smacks of protectionism to me

Exactly what I thought, but I didn't want to start another US vs EU war.
It reminds me terribly the story of the Concorde.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:28 pm

"Well in a few years the A380 is gaining popularity and being used extensively he'll be kicking himself for doing this. And if he isn't kicking himself, I'll kick him!
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Seems to me like he's making a reasonable business decision, why should the taxpayers of Atlanta subsidize improvements that have no current or mid-term foreseeable use? They can always make the improvements if and when the market conditions make them necessary.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:56 pm

AF has never planned to fly the A380 to ATL.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:02 pm

Hmmmm, why does this remind me on the Concorde "battle" at JFK?
IMO it's childish and he thinks from 12 till noon.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:08 pm

If the airlines can't fly to ATL I'm sure they will choose another airport that can handle the aircraft. They will loose some business but not much.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:08 pm

Wow this will really rain on some of these ATL-A380 proponents that are so passionate on this board.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:09 pm

How many B744 does ATL get ? Not many I am sure, ATL has enough capacity and is a domestic hub above all.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:09 pm

Isn't Atlanta one of the most congested airport in the world ?
Considering the traffic, "it would cost millions" is probably not very convincing.


Absolutely ATL is highly congested, but your line of thinking still doesn't work. ATL is pretty much maxed out as it stands today. The A380 will actually make things far worse. The main reason is that the taxi-way and ground side facilities limitation severely limit which portions of the airfield it has access to. Therefore, you either have to move a whole lot of other traffic or make the A380 wait until the other traffic moves on its own accord (The A380 would be the one who waited).

Further, there are only a few routes out of Atlanta that could possibly support an A380. This may change in the far future, but for the foreseeable future it won't. Three that come to mind are ATL-MCO, ATL-LGW, and ATL-CDG. The problem is in most cases the reduction in frequency that would be required would actually significantly shrink the market. Furthermore, the 5 or 6 A380s that would fill the market would not significantly effect the ability of the airport to handle more traffic. If you want to know just look at the distributions of aircraft in and out of ATL.

Seems to me like he's making a reasonable business decision, why should the taxpayers of Atlanta subsidize improvements that have no current or mid-term foreseeable use? They can always make the improvements if and when the market conditions make them necessary.

This would be sensible except for the fact that Atlanta taxpayers don't directly support the airport. The airport is actually an operating profit entity. Capital improvements are finance through user fees and Federal $, which incidentally are payed out of the aviation trust fund, which is also supported by user fees and taxes.
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:22 pm

"IMO it's childish and he thinks from 12 till noon."

Why exactly is it childish? Why spend millions for something that has no current or forseeable use.

How is this at all comparable to Concorde? The opposition to the Concorde was primarily by environmentalists on the grounds of noise polution, etc. It had nothing to do with the cost of airport improvements/modifications to accommodate its size.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:32 pm

ATL might be congested and the busiest airport in the world, but most of this heavy traffic is domestic with a sprinkling of international flights. And those few international flights by AF, DL, BA, LH are not even 747 traffic, they are point to point 777/A340 capacity. ATL is a second tier US destination for Euro majors, much like DTW, BWI or DFW, and i doubt if ever LH or AF will send A380's there. LAX, JFK, ORD, MIA and SFO are A380 destinations.


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Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:33 pm

ATL would probably see 1 or 2 at most A380 a day... why should they bounty up the millions for upgrades or renovations for that? I'm sure the ATL Authority would rather see 2 744/340 than 1 A380. What's the likelyhood that any of the airlines out of ATL will order the 380? DL would get the 787.. FL would get the 787.. neither would get the 380 cause they don't do high quantity/low frequency routes.. if the quantity increases, the frequencies increases.. that is the way the US air carriers do it...
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:36 pm

ATL has zero 747 scheduled passenger movements daily at the airport.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:43 pm

Talking about places that might see the A-380, is JFK, LAX, SFO, ORD and MIA ready to handle the monster, or do they need upgrades???
As for JFK, if U think the amount of 747´s that go there daily I think they can easily handle the 380, don´t know about runways etc.

And other places, like LHR, CDG, FRA, HKG, SYD are those places ready for the A-380???

AS for Brazil, TAM already stated that hardly any airport here could handle the thing, not without upgrades in GRU and GIG.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:20 am

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If the airport is maxed out already, are they happy with zero growth or are they going to increase capacity in some way.
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:26 am

1st of all--its not maxed out--the airlines that have ordered the A380 don't even fly 747s to ATL. So it'll be quite sometime before an A380 is thought of serving ATL in pax roles.
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:50 am

If the airport is maxed out already, are they happy with zero growth or are they going to increase capacity in some way.

1st of all--its not maxed out--the airlines that have ordered the A380 don't even fly 747s to ATL. So it'll be quite sometime before an A380 is thought of serving ATL in pax roles.

The airport has already exceeded maximum movements for certain periods of the day. They are building runway 10-28 to help with some of the issues. However, there are gate/terminal issues that are beginning to creep in. Furthermore, the taxiways, specifically those approaching the CTC are pretty heavily clogged, they are adding a second taxiway for the full length of 9L-27R to help. However, the South airfield will only worsen when 10-28 becomes operational. The main problem with the A380 is that departures will typically have to use the South airfield as 9L-27R's length will be necessary. When ATL is in reverse operations this will lead to some significant congestion, both near the threshold of 9L which is near the CTC, and in the departure tracks (This already exists for departing Europe bound heavies in reverse ops). Currently it is not uncommon for a Europe bound heavy to sit for quite a while during reverse ops. The A380 will be even worse as it eats up a lot of ground real estate and is limited as to which taxiways is can operate on.

Basically, the cost of accommodating the A380 greatly outweighs the benefits is brings to ATL. As for could ATL handle and A380 in an emergency, the answer is yes it already handles An-124s, just not at the CTC. Maybe when the Jackson Terminal is complete the position will change. However, I bet the market will drive any modifications, and there just isn't any market in ATL for the A380 (yet).
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:52 am

Very sad comment from someone whom is in charge of the busiest airport in the world. Never mind there are plenty of other forward thinking airports out there.

85% of the top 30 US airports have said the same. Too much investment for too little return. Being able to have the aircraft land is one thing, doing a terminal and taxiway re-design is another.
 
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Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:00 am

ATL probably would never see an A380 anyway for passenger traffic so he is right in his thinking. ATL isn't the world's busiest passenger airport because of heavy 747 action. Airports like JFK, LHR, CDG would definitely be seeing some major 380 movements in the near future. If and only if Delta purchases the 380 (which they never will) would ATL need to worry about accommodation.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:01 am

"If the airlines can't fly to ATL I'm sure they will choose another airport that can handle the aircraft. They will loose some business but not much."

At most, ATL *might* lose a couple of daily cargo A380 movements to MEM, but that's the extent of it. As stated previously in earlier threads, the pax airline most likely to send A380s (AF) has already demonstrated a clear preference for frequent 777/340 flights vs. 1-2x daily 744s on CDG-ATL.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:04 am

ATL is certainly busy, but it is *nowhere* near as "congested" on a relative basis as LHR, NRT, or even EWR for that matter. Therefore, there is no compelling need for an airline to send A380s vice sending multiple 744s (which, BTW, aren't sent to ATL on a regular basis as it is).
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:15 am

I think we should not take this too serious. After all, if the runways and taxiways can cope with the 744, the 773ER and the A346, they should also be ok for the A380. If an A380 get diverted to ATL, it can use two gates simultaneously in the worst case. A380 freighters don't need the the pax terminal anyway.

I have read this story in the German online magazine "Spiegel online" as breaking news and I think it's much blown up by journalists always looking for the big story.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:20 am

Here's a link to the rest of the article:

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=54185


First, ATL doesn't even have any commercial 747 flights, so the chance of an airline using an A380 isn't very likely. The Cost/Benefit ratio is probably too high to make the upgrades worthwhile in the near to mid-term future.

It smacks of protectionism to me

What interest would the GM of ATL have in protecting Boeing from Airbus? Atlanta employs very few, if any, Boeing workers in the area, so there is nothing to protect.

IMO it's childish and he thinks from 12 till noon.

I see nothing childish about making a business decision based on hard data. Although whining that an airport won't make upgrades for a plane it won't service in the foreseeable future does sound childish to me.

If the airport is maxed out already, are they happy with zero growth or are they going to increase capacity in some way.

The airport isn't maxed out. But yes, it is expanding. The 2740m fifth runway under construction will open next year and the East Int'l terminal will open in a few years afterward, so capacity will greatly increase.

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Anyway, I would have thought that ATL was already up to 380 specs. Concourse E is designed handle several 747s side by side, so passenger flow though the concourse isn't an issue, although perhaps there isn't enough seating area at each gate for 555 passengers so some interior renovation would be needed. The article states the problem at the gates is lack of a second jetway, so loading and unloading would take forever. I would think only 2 or 3 gates need to fitted with a 2nd jetway- something they could build along with the rest of the East terminal.

As for the taxiway problem, how much width does the 380 require? And how does that compare to the 747? (edit: Oh, I see, it's a congestion issue since you will have three runways' worth of plane traffic converging in the south airfield)

Too bad ATL wouldn't see the 380 anyway, I'd love to watch one of those badboys land right over me  Smile

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:23 am

ORD is looking into widening some of the taxiway exits that will accomodate the A380, but the improvements are primarily focused on the A340-600 and the 747, which have some areas that are off limits.

ORD management feels that the airport will attract, at most, 1 daily A380. Considering that ORD is a bigger O&D market and is the no. 1 airport in terms of international connecting traffic, why should ATL spend a lot of money for a plane that won't fly much into the airport?

Airports spent a lot of money in the 70s to accomodate the 747, because they were used on a lot of domestic routes. Since the U.S. carriers now prefer to fly smaller planes more frequently, undertaking major work for a handful of flights is a waste of the taxpayers'/airlines' money, especially when so much work can be done to improve security within the terminals.
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:28 am

Ben DeCosta has done his homework. All us airport operators pay lots of money to have marketing studies done, complete with growth projections, route analysis, future service thoughts, etc, etc. It isn't just a willy-nilly notion for him to say that his airport won't support A380 service.

People need to remember that there is such a thing as a cost/benefit analysis. Is it worth what it's going to cost me to make these improvements at my airport?

As I've stated in the past, funding would be another headache, especially the terminal renovations that would be needed. While runway, taxiway, and ramp improvements would be eligible for FAA grant assistance, terminal improvements would not be. They'd have to be paid for either by issuing bonds, or by increasing user fees, which means they'd get charged back to the airlines, or with PFC's. Somehow, I can't see AirTran being too geeked about assisting in paying for A380-required improvements.

Finally, many airline leases contain a 'majority-in-interest' clause, which in essence gives airlines certain approval or disapproval powers over airport capital projects, just as it does with regards to airport budgets (which is one reason our airport budget still hasn't gotten full approval).

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:30 am

As someone said, it's not up to an airport manager to say what airline flies what aircraft into the airport where he works.

I think he really meant that he doubted that that many people would want to fly into that airport.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:31 am

>Unless they have surplus slots, then they need more runways or bigger aircraft.<

They have plenty of runway and gates. The only real issues they have are with the fact that they get severe weather that they never seem to plan for. Also, ATL does not have any slot controls, much like most airports in the US (I can only think of LGA, DCA, SNA and LGB)

>A lot will depend on what Delta do.<

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:35 am

ATL is not challenged for capacity to serve hub to hub international routes. Throwing an A380 at Atlanta will not deal with the congestion caused by the RJ nation that has been created there. This guy is making the right call for his business. A sound business decision in the airline/airport industry, what a refreshing change!
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:49 am

"This is really messed up (wanted to use a different wors there but the a.net editors may not have liked it). It smacks of protectionism to me, this guy trying to protect Boeing from the competition by not allowing Airbus to fly there."

What invested interest does the management of ATL have in protecting Boeing?

Puh-leeze......

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:01 am

>What invested interest does the management of ATL have in protecting Boeing?<

Exactly. Look at SFO and LAX doing everything they can to make room for the A380. The reason is that they will likely see several A380s per day, especially LAX. ATL just does not have the international traffic to justify the investment.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:03 am

"This is really messed up (wanted to use a different wors there but the a.net editors may not have liked it). It smacks of protectionism to me, this guy trying to protect Boeing from the competition by not allowing Airbus to fly there."


Right. You may want to tell that to all the carriers currently flying Airbus metal into ATL....

Who outside of "airline analysts" and A.net anoraks wouuld notice the lack of A380s anyway? Who even notices the lack of scheduled 747 passenger service (I think)?

Such a statement is ridiculous, and was quite obviously designed to start a US vs EU war. Shame it's always the usual suspects.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:07 am

There are very few USA airports that will ever see an A-380; JFK, ORD, LAX, SFO, MCO, DFW, SEA, DEN and that's about all; perhaps MIA later. ATL is a US hub only without real Intl traffic. There is no 747 traffic there and the biggest regular visitors are 777.

The airport manager is right, at least for now; but if he were smart, there would be some future planning for accomodating this behemouth airplane.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:25 am

ATL is a US hub only without real Intl traffic.

So I guess the 40+ international destinations served nonstop from ATL are a illusionary corporate conspiracy on behalf of DL et al?  Nuts
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:29 am

DFW won't see the A380 unless AA orders it--"perhaps MIA later" MIA will be one of the early airports to see the A380. out of JFK, ORD, LAX, SFO, MCO, DFW, SEA, DEN, MIA--only the first 4 and MIA are the ones that will realistically handle the A380 regularly.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:32 am

What about PHL, BOS and IAD with VS or LH?

Maybe not at first but traffic is expected to grow remember.
 
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:36 am

but it can expand, unlike many (CDG/LHR/etc.)

Not quite sure where you get that from... legal wrangling aside, CDG is extremely expandable.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:45 am

"ATL has zero 747 scheduled passenger movements daily at the airport."


Korean has a 747 in here mixed with the 777.


Of course in 747 movements (pax and freight) we have Korean, JAL, Lufthansa, Global Supply Systems, Cargo Airlines, Atlas, Polar, Evergreen, Martinair and probably a few others that I'm forgetting.


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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:50 am

Of course in 747 movements (pax and freight) we have Korean, JAL, Lufthansa, Global Supply Systems, Cargo Airlines, Atlas, Polar, Evergreen, Martinair and probably a few others that I'm forgetting.

None of which has A380Fs on order.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:51 am

There is no 747 traffic there and the biggest regular visitors are 777.

That’s not quite true, there is very frequent 747 traffic into ATL in the form of Atlas and CI cargo 747s. Last month I even saw a KE 747 at concourse E. (Not sure why a 747, since the KE timetables show that ICN-ATL is always a 777.) But if you check the a.net photo database you will see that KE 747s were frequent visitors to ATL in the very recent past.
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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:51 am

I think AF first A380 route is CDG-YUL, could be wrong.

Also, I don't see a need to fly the A380 into the US farther than a coastal city, ie EWR, JFK, MIA, LAX, SFO, SEA, etc. Flying into IAH, ORD, DFW, etc would be a waste IMHO.

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RE: Atlanta Airport Boss: No A380 Here

Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:15 am

to those who might have hidden protectonistic -feelings in the US -please be advised that about 40% of any build A380 are from USA made components,software or other gear....
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