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Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:14 pm

From : http://www.emirates.com/AboutEmirates/EmiratesNews/Headlines/sydneyflt.asp

Basically the much rumored DXB-BKK-SYD flight has been confirmed to start from March 29th with a B 777-300 in 3 class configuration.

Initially operating on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, the airline will increase this to a daily service from 1st May.

On 1st May, the new Dubai-Bangkok-Sydney daily service will also be extended to Auckland in New Zealand, replacing the current Dubai-Sydney-Auckland daily service which will then terminate in Sydney. This move opens up new connections between Bangkok and Sydney, and Bangkok and Auckland.

Emirates will fly its Boeing 777-300 aircraft in three-class configuration on the Dubai-Bangkok-Sydney-Auckland route, offering 18, 42 and 320 seats in first, business and economy classes respectively, plus 23 tonnes of bellyhold space for cargo.

The new service will increase Emirates’ flights between Dubai and Bangkok from twice daily to three-a-day by May. It will also add to the airline’s current daily non-stop service between Dubai and Sydney, bringing the total number of Sydney flights to twice-daily. Emirates will continue to fly to Auckland thrice daily.

EK418 will depart Dubai International Airport at 09:00hrs, arriving in Bangkok at 18:10hrs, before flying onward to Australia at 19:50hrs, to land in Sydney at 07:45hrs the next day. From 1 May, the service will extend to Auckland in New Zealand, departing Sydney at 09:15hrs and arriving in Auckland at 15:15hrs.

Return flight EK 419 will take off from Sydney at 18:45hrs, arriving in Bangkok at 01:00hrs the next morning. The flight will then depart Bangkok at 02:30hrs to arrive in Dubai at 05:35hrs on the same day. From 1 May, the return service will start in Auckland, departing 15:50hrs and arriving in Sydney at 17:15hrs.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:01 pm

This means the daily DXB-SYD-AKL A345 service will now terminate in SYD.
Seems a bit bizarre as EK normally extend all their flights to NZ instead of keeping them on the ground in Australia for 6-8 hours.
I thought maybe they would operate one of these SYD services onwards to CHC, as well as keeping the currency DXB-SYD-AKL operation.
So now all EK pax between Auckland and Dubai have two stops en route. I always thought they would keep the AKL-SYD-DXB service as most NZ pax would take this to connect elsewhere on the Emirates network.(2 stops instead of 3)

 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:51 pm

That makes EK even less attractive from Europe to NZ!
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:06 pm

Yes JoFMO I agree. The 345 Direct service was the only EK flight I would have considered using to Europe instead of SQ/TG etc. Hopefully these 773ERs will not have the 10 abreast config.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:06 pm

So now all EK pax between Auckland and Dubai have two stops en route.

One could always change planes in Sydney or Melbourne and go for the nonstopper from there, thereby avoiding the extra stopover on Bangkok resp. Singapore. In both cases, this routing would allow the passenger to reach Dubai within half an hour of the one-stop flight.

 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:42 pm

Aerorobnz...these are the non ER B 777-300s flying on this route. EKs 3 class B 773s always had 380 seats and I hope that the new B 773ERs have a better F and J class cabin thus reducing capacity on board to make way for the bigger seats etc.

And yes you can fly from AKL to SYD and MEL and change planes there for the nonstop DXB flight if you dont want a BKK stopover enroute to Asia. Africa and EU/UK.

 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:34 pm

So from now on I can do SYD-BKK-HKG I guess?
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:13 pm

EK418 will be operated by B773ERs. The schedule on emirates.com shows 73E which is the new designation for the ER models.

I was surprised yesterday finding the EK418 one-stop flight instead of two daily nonstops. Only two weeks ago it still showed TWO daily A345 flights, EK412 plus EK410.


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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:48 pm

Behramjee, yeah you could transfer at SYD/MEL but that's too much hassle for what you previously had to do. I don't know about the transit times either. EK fares are marginally cheaper than the others most of the time but not enough to justify the dog-leg routing.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:26 pm

A bit off-topic, but does anyone knows when the new BKK apt will be in service ?

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Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:03 pm

I am really intrigued to know if EK will keep the A345 sitting on the ground at SYD for around 9 hours before it returns to Dubai. Seems very unlike them to do this.
It would certainly be a hassle to transfer at SYD/MEL and then DXB again just to stay with EK. A same plane connection through to the hub is a lot more appealing. I know that EK would send pax from AKL bound for Europe on the SYD flight as first preference, but now it looks like SQ or CX, non-stop via their respective hubs will be much easier.
 
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Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:36 pm

I guess that Emirates will eventually go non-stop to AKL. As said before, they are lagging behin many other airlines in the Europe-New Zealand market with their hoppidi scoppidy milkruns out of AKL. Strangely enough, CHC is faring better than AKL, with its one-stop connection to DXB.

 
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Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:59 pm

Anyone know whether the ICE system is being fitted to B777-300ER's?
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:07 pm

Does Emirates have a downloadable timetable for PC or PDA (like Star Alliance or Oneworld)? Couldn't find one on their website
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:35 pm

SN-MD11

The New Bangkok International Airport (Suvarnabhumi Airport) was scheduled to be operational in Sep. this year. But we are quite sure that it will not be able to meet the target. Most likely that it will be ready by middle of next year.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:34 am

I can only imagine EK will have a small engineering crew based in SYD to perform line maintenance while the A345 sits there all day (they did this in MEL)- SYD parking charges are very expensive.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:10 am

I flew DXB-SYD in Nov last year, the transit passengers who were continuing onto AKL still had to leave the aircraft and go to the transit lounge. So if you do take the direct DXB-SYD flight and then pick up the 773 SYD-AKL you won't be incurring any extra hassle other than 1 hour extra on the ground. As you are continuing on EK your luggage will be through checked and there should be no reason why you shouldn't have your boarding card issued at your point of origin.

As for what will happen to the A345 during the day...your guess is as good as mine...some point down the line it may well continue on to CHC or even commence the much waited ADL route which would then operate DXB-SYD-ADL-SYD-DXB, this would enable EK to open another route without the need of an extra aircraft.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:16 am

Hey even I can't imagine why EK should terminate the flight at SYD. Am sure they have something up their sleeve.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:22 am

That makes EK even less attractive from Europe to NZ!

How large is the Europe-NZ market?

Its not that huge, and it is price sensitive.

If EK price their product below SQ or QF or BA, they will do well.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:33 am

EmiratesUK,

I believe EK is not allowed to transport domestic pax within Australia, them being a non-Australian airline. And I don´t think pax loads on DXB-ADL would justify continuing the DXB-SYD for another sector.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 5:40 am

Don't be surprised with ADL not justifying a service, who would have thought AKL would get 3 daily services?! you have to remember that EK is an airline that starts routes on profile not demand. The demand comes second as they believe given time the demand will come. I'm also sure ADL would justify a service more than CHC! As for carrying traffic between points within Oz I didn't mean passengers would be able to purchase tickets between the two points. JL used to operate BNE-MEL if I remember right, and they are not a Australian carrier!
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:11 am

When the new flight arrives at 15:15 and the return flight leaves at 15:50, I guess that both will not be performed with the same plane. Then there will be a plane sitting on the ground at AKL for over 24 hours! Or do they have one of the other two flights using B773ER?

If AKL still gets thirce daily flights then one of the current flights should be suspended. Which one?

Their flight schedules on their site do not reflect the new flights yet.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:33 am

Wait for Australia to Brazil.
Expect EK A345 to go onto SYD-CHC when they have rights to GRU. They don't want to waste too much time just serving CHC.
The best strategy to serve Sydney and Melbourne and New Zealand to South America is via CHC not AKL. Talk about stuff LAN and Aerolineas Argentinas in one shot.
MEL-CHC-GRU
SYD-CHC-GRU
MEL-CHC-EZE-GRU
SYD-CHC-SCL-GRU
MEL-CHC-GIG

take your pick

flights would combined at CHC. The CHC market in it's own right is of little relevance.

 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:35 am

Very long shot here, perhaps the Australian government is going to let airlines other than QF and UA fly the Oz-USA routes and EK will go SYD-SFO/LAX Big grin
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:03 am

Why even bother with CHC? I'm sure the A345 could do SYD-South america in one go.

And it is hardly THAT competitive with Lan and Aerolineas. Who in their right mind would fly down to CHC from AKL on another carrier to only then link up to EK? Plus, it misses out on any Queensland/SE ASian (bar Singapore) originating or destined traffic, as it all goes through Auckland at the moment.

CHC can be a destination in its own right, far more so than ADL. While NZ's South Island is regularly rated as a top-5 destination for travellers, South Australia never gets a mention.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:53 am

"How large is the Europe-NZ market?
Its not that huge, and it is price sensitive.
If EK price their product below SQ or QF or BA, they will do well."


I, like most kiwis are very much value buyers. We want it cheap, but not at the expense of good value. And most of us would take a 1 stopper with stopover package even if it costs say $100 more. Just the comparison of fares to UK..(cheapest fare available on airlines Travelling 28/02/05 not inc taxes)

BI $1,771 AKL-BNE-BWN-DXB-LHR vv
TN/VS $1,923 AKL(TN)PPT(TN)LAX(VS)LON vv
SQ $1,946 AKL-SIN-LHR
QF $1,946 AKL-SYD/BNE/MEL-SIN/BKK/HKG/NRT-LHR vv
CX $2,044 AKL-HKG-LHR
KE $2,141 AKL-ICN-LHR
EK $2,230 AKL-MEL/BNE-SIN-DXB-LON (Via SYD is more expensive)
LH/NZ $2,239 AKL-OSA/NGO/NRT/HKG/SIN/BKK/LAX/SFO-(LH)FRA/MUC-LHR
TG $2,239 AKL-SYD/BNE-BKK-LHR

Unless you are a Plane/Airport fanatic like us it isn't very appealing to transfer through 3-4 airports without stopping. Especially at that price.

The UK-NZ market would be the largest from Europe combining VFR,Biz & OE travellers. It is actually larger than you would think considering our population.
We are a nation that travels a lot, it's a bit of a pilgrimage type thing to return to Europe/UK.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:06 am

Sth America through CHC seems a bit far fetched. Especially with a 345 at hand.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:10 am

Aerokiwi- The higher yielding markets from Sydney and Melbourne are far more important than Brisbane and Auckland.
You could go direct however.

SYD-SCL-GRU
SYD-EZE-GRU
but then you miss out on MEL. They would probably want to offer a daily service to GRU from Australia.
 
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:40 am

I'm sure Emirates isn't flying to CHC to tap into the $2000 return Kiwi to London market.
They would be thinking Australia to the UK/Europe, Australia to South America and South America to the Middle East.
They just got A343 and have A346HGW on order I believe.
Running Australia/New Zealand to South America with A345 will improve the logic of flying Brazil/Argentina to Dubai.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:29 am

"I'm sure Emirates isn't flying to CHC to tap into the $2000 return Kiwi to London market."
You're right, they are doing it to reduce the time on the ground for the aircraft in
MEL, and to try and fill some extra seats/cargo for not a lot of cash outlay. Same as it is for AKL except we have a big enough market to justify investment to stimulate the market. Which for the most part they have done well.
If they weren't flying a 345 into MEL, CHC wouldn't exist as a routing.
Besides the topic is talking about EK to SYD & AKL and the applicable market anyway.... that's why the UK fares were discussed.
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:42 am

Aerorobnz- I agree with what your saying. My point is that EK give themselves plenty of options. The real effect seems to have been that Emirates has put a rocket under Air NZ which is great.
 
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:00 pm

Aerorobnz- I agree with what your saying. My point is that EK give themselves plenty of options. The real effect seems to have been that Emirates has put a rocket under Air NZ which is great.

What makes you say this? Have you seen the loads of EK? NZ has the better loads on the Tasman at this stage the only thing EK has over NZ is the cargo and with NZ using the A320 we will not compete with them.

Also I've been told NZ are looking at South America as a option as well!!
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:45 pm

Its surprising that airlines such as QF, SQ and CX with higher labor costs and a much better all round inflight and preflight product than TG is $ 200 cheaper from AKL to LHR.

Ever since NZ citizens have had to clear LAX for transit purposes enroute to LHR, have many switched flying on ANZ to LHR via LAX and gone instead to SQ, CX, QF etc who fly via the Far East to LHR???
 
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:52 pm

Ever since NZ citizens have had to clear LAX for transit purposes enroute to LHR, have many switched flying on ANZ to LHR via LAX and gone instead to SQ, CX, QF etc who fly via the Far East to LHR???

This is the reason NZ have looked at switching NZ1 and NZ2 to AKL - SFO - LHR

It's not going to happen yet but it's been looked at! The new lounge at LAX will help some pax as well.
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RE: Emirates Confirms New BKK-SYD-AKL Route

Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:00 pm

TG992 - no doubt them looking at South America is the same as them looking at the viability of KKE-SYD flights.... I've also heard about the NZ1/2 via LHR but I've heard SFO is almost as bad. Would it not be better to try via the EH/TS?
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