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TWA' New Focus City

Tue Mar 28, 2000 6:56 am

I have been in St. Louis for over a month and just got home. Having missed a month's worth of airline rumors from this site, I was wondering if TWA has made an official announcement on its new focus city. According to several TWA pilots at STL, TWA is opening a crew base at Ft. Lauderdale. Is this going to be the new focus city?
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Tue Mar 28, 2000 6:59 am

San Juan Puerto Rico is the new mini hub for TWA

RE: TWA' New Focus City

Tue Mar 28, 2000 7:53 am

Hey Cody I live in Ft. Lauderdale and I've heard nothing of a focus city being opened here. Heck, Orlando's got a better shot of a focus city than we do. American is a nasty competitor out at MIA. Although if TWA opens a FC in FLL they're gonna have to fly SouthAm routes because there's not much US and Carib routes one can do from South Florida.

RE: TWA' New Focus City

Tue Mar 28, 2000 7:56 am

SJU was opened last year.TWA is planning to establish three of these mini-hubs. The next one will be announced in June. The last I heard was that it would be an Eastern city, dominated by one airline. Therefore, Pittsburgh has been rumored now for some time. The pilot satellite base in Florida is not indicative of the next focus city. It's something pilots have asked for for years., simply because so many TWA pilots live in Florida.
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Tue Mar 28, 2000 8:08 am

Possibilities for Next City:

Tampa: Fairly Lage US Airways Presence, lots of room for expansion.

Orlando: Not likely, but this would definately make things interesting.

Atlanta: No way, TWA would run themselves into the ground.

Charlotte: Not a bad idea, both AirTran and TWA going after US Airways.


Tue Mar 28, 2000 11:30 am

Pittsburgh: No way, too close to JFK (maybe good for USAirways in terms of PIT and PHL, but TWA doesn't have the $$$$$$$)

Tampa: US has been thinking about Tampa too (hubbing w/ MJ). Haven't heard much though. I have to check. If TWA decides TPA, they're gonna have to renovate Airside B because the airport is doing their project w/ Airside E.

Charlotte: Never been there, but if they have room maybe TWA could do a little dance.
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Tue Mar 28, 2000 12:30 pm

CLT - No gates
TPA - Maybe but low yield
FLL - Possible but low yield (large O/D market though)
LGA - A rumor till CO/DL RJ attack
PIT - Lots of gates might work, Good yields
PHL - No Gates
BWI - No Gates plus WN
BNA - Maybe but WN again
BOS - Maybe but AA and DL strong
IAD - No way
DCA - Possible gates avail. great O/D great yields but slots required like LGA
CLE - Possible but not likely
EWR - Forget about it delays and only 1 gate
ATL - Why? FL and DL
MCO - DL is strong as is US and UA but great O/D crappy yields lots of gates avail

Just my $.02
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Tue Mar 28, 2000 12:33 pm

Good to hear from you FirstClass and others. One pilot told me that if there was going to be any more expansion on the international scene, it would be in Latin America or the Carribean. He said the Carl Ichan deal (Karabu) was hurting them too much in Europe so he didn't expect to see anything there anytime soon. As for Tokyo, not until the Asian economy improves. He said there would probably not be anymore 747's for awhile because of TWA 800.

RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 12:37 am

Pittsburgh used to be a "focus city" for TWA before (even though this expression hadn't been invented back then). PIT does have high yields, and, thus far, no low-fare competition. There are lots of gates available, and US uses PIT lot less han the city had expected. Unlike STL, which is too far west, PIT would allow for good north-south connections along the Eastern Seaboard (New York/Michigan/Pennsylvania - Carolinas/Georgia/Florida).

Orlando would also fit in with TWA's current strategy of chasing leisure traffic. It is already one of TWA 's biggest non-hub stations, currently connected to all three hubs, and there are also plenty of gates available. It would also be a good place to start expansion to South America.

The third possible candidate, I would like to mention for the sake of completeness, is Washington, D.C. the area around IAD is fast growing, with lots of high-tech industry, and there is a bit of a void after metrojet pulled out. Even though UAL is the dominant airline, there may still be room left for TWA to grow. Remember that UAL can only grow as quickly as the manufacturers can deliver the planes required for this growth. IAD was a focal point in TWA's network as recently as 1985, before Icahn took over the company. It seems like now, after TWA is beginning to recover from the year s of neglect by Icahn, the company seems to resume the expansion strategy from back then: In 1985 TWA had started massive expansion in the Caribbean, and they had also inaugurated nonstop service from STL to FRA (resumption of which has been slated for 2001).

On a parting note: the assertion that TWA doesn't fly 747's anymore is because of the TW800 tragedy, is bullshit. The 747 was in service for almost two years after the accident, and was phased out AFTER the retirement of the L1011. The reason why TWA doesn't fly 747s is because the older models are too expensive to operate, and the new ones are too expensive to buy. Besides TWA doesn't have the customer base to fill 747s yearround. Most airlines seem to have come to the same conclusion as TWA, as there are only two majors left in the U.S. that operate 747s.
And on the Tokyo route: TWA received approval from the D.O.T. last week to postpone the launch of this route until June 2001.

RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 1:23 am

When I was in Philly in January, Someone who works right next to PHL said that TWA was building a new concourse there. I don't want to start any rumors so will someone let me know what that means or tell me to shut up.

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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 2:17 am

I herd that TWA might add another city into Canada such as Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton or Winnipeg. I also herd which is a rumor that TWA might start flying into Fargo. That my 2 cents.
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 2:28 am

Well it almost seems that we will just have to wait and see with all these rumors. I flew TWA yesterday into Orlando in a brand new 757 and yes they do have some pretty good operations out of there as we pulled right next to a TWA heavy 767 with another MD-83 parked on the other side of the terminal probably going to San Juan. The 767 was going to JFK. one question, does TWA have the equipment to start another Focus City right now? I realize they have been recieving many new aircraft, including the start of the 717's already.
I love TWA and cant wait to see which city they focus on next 
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 2:37 am

TW's next focus city will either be New Orleans or Austin. One of these cities would be a better choice for TWA, as they are not dominated by a single carrie(ie, PIT or CLT with USAirways). Both of these cities have available gates, and would tap in to base populations of over a million(1.2 million for the metro New Orleans area...I'm not sure about Austin). And since MSY is a MAJOR convention and tourism town, TWA would get a nice mix of business travellers and leisure visitors.

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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 3:39 am

Re Philadelphia: The new concourse that is being built there is not for TWA. It is the new international concourse, and it will be mainly used by US Airways. The construction site is the location of the former TWA hangar at PHL, which was torn down before work on the new gate area began.

Re New Orleans: There is no doubt that MSY was shortlisted as a possible focus city. However, the MSY-MEX, which will be discontinued shortly, has performed so poorly, that MSY is most likely off the table.

Re Austin: For one, it doesn't look like there are any gates available for expansion. Secondly, it is dominated by Southwest, and thirdly, the market isn't big enough for TWA. The few routes that warrant nonstop service aside from hub traffic, i. e. New York, are already offered by other airlines.
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 5:51 am

TWA said they will start PVD service one PVD completes ticket counter expansion due for later this year.
As for their new focus city what about Norfolk VA They have a few open gates and are adding a 3rd concource great north/south connection opportunity for the N.E and Florida and the Carribean, same advantages as PHL just less delays.
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 6:08 am

Well as far as MSY no longer being considered because of the MEX flight, I can tell you that that's not the case. The MEX flight did poorly for a couple of reasons: 1) HORRIBLE TIME!! The flight was aimed at business travellers, yet it arrived at MEX at nearly 11pm. Not convenient at all. Local business leaders stated on several occasions that they needed morning flights, so they pick CO 9 times out of 10 to MEX. If the flight left earlier in the day, more pass. would have been on it. 2) MD-80 IS TOO BIG!!!!!! Frankly, a DC-9 would have been better suited for this route. The JFK-MSY portion justifies an MD-80, but they could have had a change of equipment to a DC-9 in MSY.

All in all, the failure of this flight should not have any bearing into the decision for the new focus city. TWA has to be doing good in MSY.....4 out of the 5 flights to STL are either MD-80's ot 727's, and the flight to JFK is still in operation, even when JFK flights to ATL, IAH, ORD, DTW, have been cancelled.MSY still has room for growth, and it would be advantageous for TWA to take advantage of this. Are you listening TWA?

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Wed Mar 29, 2000 6:09 am

You are absolutly correct PVD service should begin this year. However ORF does not have good O/D traffic even with the navel bases to warrant the number of flights a focus city would support.

I may be wrong but, I suspect a larger O/D market city will be considered..

RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 7:15 am

My picks for a focus city include MSY, AUS, SAT, IND, GSO, or COS. IF TW is stupid enough to pick another airlines hub as it's focus city, TW will simply be bled out of existence by the dominant carrier.

For their sake, I hope they don't pick another airlines hub, or a strictly leisure city like FLL, MCO, or ABQ.

RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 9:27 am

FYI, South Florida is a MAJOR business sector, it especially acts as the hub of choice for Latin American businesses. Not just strictly leisure market.

Although I do not recommend TWA coming to FLL because of American @ MIA.

I like your idea of COS though. Perfect competition for United but w/out Denver.

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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 9:52 am

Living in Colorado, I want Continental to put a focus city in the Springs. Forget TWA, TWA isn't strong enough to face a UA onslaught! CO needs something in this part of the country again.
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Wed Mar 29, 2000 11:53 am

TWA needs to focus on improving the two hubs they already have. TWA needs to increase their international and trans-continental service out of JFK before they even start planning a focus city. San Juan is locked out by American and I don't think SJU will be a competive focus city (hub) for TWA. TWA needs to establish a focus city somewhere on the West coast (possibly San Diego or San Jose, California).
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RE: TWA' New Focus City

Thu Mar 30, 2000 3:34 am

to United777ord, I kinda disaggree with your statement about SJU not going to be a good focus city. the reason I say this is because it ALREADY IS a good focus city, TWA has been there for a while now and it has been even better than expected, flights are all full, and its a real money maker. And for TWA improving STL and JFK, thats kinda hard considering there isnt much room to improve anything at STL now until the major expansion is done. That airport is busy as hell as it is right now. And for JFK, well obviously TWA is NOT improving here because they deleted many of there international flights that are not making money. If you ask me that was a very smart thing to do. I personally thing TWA is doing the right thing now by losing the non-money making flights, and adding destinations that will make money, and with all these new planes coming in, I believe TWA will keep improving and will run strong once again.

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