Tolosy
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Question About Luxair 747

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:44 pm


Hi,


I have seen in the database that Luxair used to have a 747 (leased fom SAA).

I was wondering were these planes were flying to. Was there a regular service from LUxembourg to the United States?

Thanks for your help,



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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:54 pm

They just did flights to South Africa as part of a joint venture. I don't think it lasted very long.
 
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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:54 pm

Actually the SA service did last quite long, at least for 20 years or so. It operated in Luxair colours for a company called Luxavia, and had a (low cost?) niche in the Europe-SA market, a bit similar to the FI flights from LUX to the USA.

Before the 747SP it was a 707, and at some point an AB3. I think they all stopeed in NBO on their way to S Africa.

Since then LG has not ventured into longhaul anymore, with the exception of a leased 767 from CityBird that operated LUX-EWR for a brief period of time after FI's withdrawal from LUX. As far as I remember it was a miserable failure and was stopped after just one or two schedule cycles.
 
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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:44 pm

Thanks for your reply.

How was the service on board. Was it provided by Luxair or SA.



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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:42 am

I actually flew on this route at least 3 times in total between 1988 and 1991. I don't remember exactly how many times and when. My parents always told me that it was much cheaper than SABENA so we had our cousins come down to Luxemburg and fetch us there.

As for service I really don't remember anything at all except for the fact that we had earphones with a couple of music channels.

I remember walking to the B747SP on the tarmac at LUX. That aircraft stays in my mind as being very gracefull and simply gigantic!
SAA B747 SP, Luxavia B747 SP
 
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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:27 am

a (low cost?) niche in the Europe-SA market

As far as I know the purpose was less to offer a low cost connection, but rather a direct connection at all for a South African Carrier. In the Apartheid years, South African companies were prohibited from flying the direct route across Africa on the way to Europe, hence they went "around the bulge". The 707 and 747SP operated by Luxair belonged to Trek Airways from South Africa, but was registered in Luxembourg and in full LG coulours. So officially it was a European carrier which could fly the direct route... it lasted until SAA could fly direct.

I just have a 1992 timetable in front of me. The fares vary between 2470 ZAR and 4760 ZAR for a return JNB-LUX-JNB. The full economy fare could be upgraded for 410 ZAR per sector to "Penthouse Class".

Schedule:
LG 181 1--4-6- LUX-JNB 19:30-07:15+ 74L
LG 182 --3-5-7 JNB-LUX 20:00-06:15+ 74L

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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:59 pm

Here's an interesting link written by a long serving Luxavia cabin crew member.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/1194/lux.htm

From 1986-1987, I worked as a customer service agent for AF at LHR and we handled the 2 daily LG flights to LUX......the early flight, the LG402, was always opearted by a 737-200, and the lunchtime LG404 would generally be oprated by a F-27; however on the days when the Luxavia flight was leaving LUX for JNB it was not uncommon for a 737 to operate the lunchtime LHR-LUX service when the transit loads were heavy. I do also remember 2-3 occasions during my 18months there when the lunchtime service was operated by the 747SP as a Luxair flight (as opposed to Luxavia).....can't remember the dates but guess it would have been round the holiday peaks.
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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:30 am

Interesting web page. Funny how every time an airline went bust (Trek Airways, Flitestar, Avia et al), it's always because of the "political situation". How about, "underfunded start-up didn't do sums, yields low, cash ran out"? Nope, "political situation". Oh well.
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RE: Question About Luxair 747

Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:48 am

As Mozart pointed out it was called Luxavia and not Luxair. Apparently the major shareholder was the South African Airforce and, indeed, the trick of registering in Luxembourg was to avoid having to fly around Africa (which took 2 hours longer). The stopover was usually in Lisbon. Once in Luxembourg there was a free bus service for passengers to Brussels, Breda and Amsterdam.

If you do a search this topic was discussed quite extensively a while back (maybe a year?).

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