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B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:15 pm

I would guess NOT a priority right now, as there is enough LCC competition in these cities and they probably don't care to battle it out with the likes of (especially) Southwest right now. Just my opinion.
 
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:14 pm

No offense, but what the hell would possess B6 to fly these routes from BOS, when they're marketed by other airlines as alternative airports to Logan? It would be absolutely pointless to do so, unless they need to reposition aircraft, should they ever operate from these cities.
 
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:17 pm

no need for more expansion....BOS is congested enough as is......enough is enough
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sat Feb 05, 2005 2:31 pm

PanAm330: I don't think the poster meant flying from BOS to PVD, MHT, and BDL, but rather what are the chances of B6 of flying out of those cities as well.

I'd venture to say no as B6 and WN seem to have a gentlemen's agreement to not directly attack each other's territory where possible. Of course there will be some overlap but as of right now their route maps don't collide too much.

But, the possibility is always there. Maybe once the EMBs come online we might see some routes from more secondary airports.

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:37 pm

Interesting that even though WN serves RDU, I don't think it serves the cities B6 intends.. No WN to JFK/ISP, BOS/PVD, or FLL.. so it seems like an actual good marriage...
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:39 pm

Well..we could easily say WHY would jetBlue consider opening up MIA when they have such a large operation just 18 miles up the road in FLL. Not forgetting that they also have a presence at PBI, as well. The fact that they opened up LGA though, well..I think that's kind of overkill, in my opinion, but I'm sure Mr. Neelman knows what's best for his airline.
 
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:41 pm

The point of opening B6 at LGA and soon at EWR and ISP, is to remove congestion from JFK. This will be especially helpful in 2006, as slot restrictions don't go away until 2007, and the new terminal doesn't come on line till 2008. They will need those slots in 2006 as they will open direct service to new 190 cities from JFK, plus it will free up gate space for those flts.

Neeleman has stated that he is interested in Manchester, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them open up when the 190s come on board, as BOS LFs have been reported to be extremely full. The same applies to MIA, as FLL gate space is at a premium and B6 may use MIA as their caribbean gateway.

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:04 am

One BIG problem with PVD is lack of gate space.. and that problem does not appear to be leaving anytime soon... so unless they plan on starting construction on the new midfield terminal today or within the next 2 weeks.. I just don't see PVD as a viable alternative for B6 or any other airline.. I was shocked that room was made for DH or NK!
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:58 am

CORULEZ05,
What do you mean? They are opening up a semi focus city there. The are expanding so I don't know what you are talking about.

PVD-No because of gate space
BDL-Probably not but maybe in the way future
MHT-Probably when the E-190's come

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:02 am

I think EWR, ISP, or BDL will be one of the next cities announced. One of those could easily be a 10+ flight city. Say BDL could have:
7X FLL
3X PBI
without overlaping with WN

EWR could have
4X FLL
2X MCO
2X TPA
2X BOS
or
4X FLL
3X MCO
3X TPA

and ISP could go:
6X FLL
2X MCO
2X TPA
but all ISP flights would overlap.
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:17 am

I think EWR, ISP, or BDL will be one of the next cities announced.


FLAIRPORT:

I think down the road, you're correct. I could even see [I wish!] EWR-LGB/OAK. But, EWR/ISP/BDL would most likely exist as cities that would serve Florida and right now B6 is maxed out at FLL. Another gate at FLL is desperatly needed and I think that the operations at our other Florida cities are almost at capacity as well.

I do think, however, that B6 could make JFK-BOSand/orMHT work but for now I think PVD and BDL are out of the question [PVD especially].

Therefore it would make a lot of sense [to me, at least] that our next focus city is MIA. We could have multiple frequencies to JFK, BOS, as well as 2X LGB, a few to IAD, etc. B6 has a great reputation in NY and Florida and MIA is a seperate market from FLL [as someone has since pointed out].
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:25 am

I read somewhere that when Neeleman was in BOS to celebrate their millionth passenger and announce service to SJC and LAS, he basically said that MHT is on the radar, and I read elsewhere that B6 has been in talks with the airport director at MHT.

Most likely MHT will see service to JFK with the E190 for connections onward. They wouldn't be competing with WN on that route; WN does not serve NYC from MHT.

I highly doubt that they'd introduce MHT-florida service, they'd get slaughtered by WN unless they priced agressively and sunk some serious dough into an advertising campaign. But they avoid competing with WN, so that's irrelevant.

My guess is that they'd be reluctant to serve many cities from MHT so as not to eat into their BOS traffic. True, there are people who are closer to MHT than BOS, but take me for example, I'm halfway between the two cities. MHT is actually slightly further, but a quicker drive, so I use MHT more than BOS, except for the time I flew B6 to MCO. If they offer too much service from MHT, it'll draw away potential traffic from their BOS focus city, which isnt something they want to do just as they ramp up service there.

So short answer: MHT-JFK is a safe bet. Anything else, well, only Neeleman knows that.
 
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:54 am

About FLL:
if Southwest let one gate go and restructured ops at FLL, jetBlue could take that gate. Also, if the Canadian operators into B concourse could shift operations around a little on weekends and USA3000 uses only one gate on weekdays, that would add a gate for B6. As far as I know all gates in B councourse except B1-5 are common use.

B6 is for Frontier and America West...a total of as little as 3 to as many as 6 flights per day.
B8 is almost exclusive to jetBlue which has 6 flights per day.
B7 is used for jetBlue in extreme delay to LGA flights only. Also it is used by U5 and maybe some Canadian operators, but I don't see more than 3 flights daily out of that gate
and B9 is ued for jetBlue in the morning for their red eye as well as for U5 and Canadian carriers. Again, maybe 3-4 flights per day.

One time I was there: no planes at B7 or B9. Another time, massive delays in NYC had all gates full. Same times too.
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:10 am

FLAIRPORT ..

plus our main gate space is in C where we have two gates. we only use the B gate for LGA flights [and IROPS]. I know B6 is frustrated that our operation is split between the two terminals. I think ideally what they want are a few gates that are next to each other. Man what we could do with just 3 more gates!
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:39 am

I know that, but when u look at they're not doing that bad. the ticketing and bag claim are BOTH in the exact center on the terminal. I think it is actually a shorter walk to the B concourse. In 28 days i will see jetBlue's FLL C concourse operation, I will have a good opinion after that.

I also get to see the JFK terminal in 28 days! WOO HOO!
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:03 am

I also get to see the JFK terminal in 28 days! WOO HOO!



its really not exciting lol ... im sure the new terminal will be awesome though! a much needed improvement  Smile
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:13 pm

"so unless they plan on starting construction on the new midfield terminal today or within the next 2 weeks.. "

Wait?! Is there a plan for a new midfield terminal? I know they need it desperatly. Now ALL gates at PVD are full. DL even gave up 22 for NK operations. and 20 (ex-business express) went to DH.

Where might i find info on the midfield terminal?!

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL

Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:28 pm

The TF Green Master Plan has alternatives with a midfield terminal (with an attaching arm to the main concourse) is their choice.. it will connect between the United gate 9A and the Continental gate 8......

http://www.landrum-brown.com/MasterPlans/PVD/FinalMasterPlanDoc-revised-7-12-04.htm
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:01 pm

From Jim Reynolds, spokesman @FLL: SWA -5 gates expiring in 2011, AMR - 4 gates expiring in 2011, UAIR - 8 gates -(6)2011, (2)2009, DL - 7 gates expiring 2011, NWA - 2 gates expiring 2011, UAL - 1 gate expiring 2011, Jetblue - 3 gates expiring 2006, CAL - 4 gates expiring 2011, AirTran - 1 gate thru 2011.

Terminal 4 is all general usage, and Spirit really controls 4 gates of the 9, with the rest going International. TransMeridian, USA3000, Westjet, Frontier, and AWA could all be moved over to Terminal 3 - F concourse(4 gates are not leased) from Terminal 1, thus freeing up Terminal 1 for 4/5 gates for Jetblue. Terminal 3 - E concourse also has 1 gate assigned for GU that Bahamasaire and AirTran share.

DL has 7 of the 9 gates in Terminal 2 tied up, with Midwest Ex picking 1 thru general usage, and the other is used by DL if needed thru GU.

They are supposed to add on to Terminal 1 an addition for a few more gates for Cruise Ship Charters. This could free up more gates at Terminal 4. So bottom line there is some latitude to gain some gates for JetBlue.
 
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL

Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:04 pm

Its really not exciting lol ... im sure the new terminal will be awesome though! a much needed improvement

I was there yesterday...it's a little bit different. They got rid of those blue 70s seats in each of the "mickey mouse ear" parts and replaced them with grey seats. They also added some more seating next to Gate 7 and I'm pretty sure they added some more chairs and tables to the Deep Blue Restaurant area (Gate 9/10). There are also some more new plasma tv's...Overall, it's an improvement.

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:56 pm

DL has 7 of the 9 gates in Terminal 2 tied up, with Midwest Ex picking 1 thru general usage, and the other is used by DL if needed thru GU.

Delta uses all 9 gates in T2, so even if they are GU, Delta won't give those up. BTW, which of the 9 are GU...D9 for sure (DL and YX), but which other? Does Delta use that one a ton purposly to keep other airlines out of their terminal. I know DL has no problem with YX since they ground handle them.
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Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:44 am

FLAIRPORT:

Sorry, don't know the specific gates.
 
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Mon Feb 07, 2005 2:09 am

As a frequent traveler to the Boston Region, I prefer MHT. The airport is less of a hastle to get around in, get to, and has a general better "feel" about it. It has the quaint little airport feel but not so much of a quaint little airport anymore. I fly from PIT so my usual options are US/DL or NW (usually the cheapest 3). Flying into Logan (on DL) usually means im on a large aircraft (75 or 76) from ATL. Flying into MHT usually means im on an RJ (sometimes an Md-88). I prefer the smaller aircraft due to #1 Ease of Check-in/Baggage Claim lines, #2 As a pilot i just prefer smaller aircraft.

MHT also has room to grow. I could see JetBlue adding Mid-Atlantic/Mid-West runs with the -190 to and from MHT. With US Air's cutbacks, I could definitely see CLT, PIT and possibly IAD (to replace US-DCA) runs coming into the picture. I understand the gentlemans agreements between Blue and West, but BWI and IAD are almost far enough apart to warrant seperate services. Thats just my two cents, but whereever JetBlue expands, I would like to see at least JFK service to my hometown of Pittsburgh!

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:01 am

I think EWR, ISP, or BDL will be one of the next cities announced

No way will Jetblue go into EWR. ATA tried and failed -- CO will rigourously defined their hub.

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:20 am

EWR - I don't think that will happen with CO there. B6 would get forced out like DL forced them from ATL.

MHT - I think this is possible. I am actually surprised they don't go there already from JFK.

ISP - This could happen but WN is strong here which might limit how much B6 offers here

PVD - Very little gate space here. If anything at least a few years off.

BDL - Another possibilty. There is a decent amount of space in Terminal B. They could even serve JFK from here. At one point three airlines served JFK-BDL. DL flew a 767 for a short time there. No one flies the route now. Don't know what other routes they could fly - maybe Florida?

So of those cities, I think MHT has the best chance, maybe BDL or ISP. Right now, forget EWR or PVD. Just my .02.

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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL

Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:37 am

B6 has a great reputation in NY and Florida and MIA is a seperate market from FLL [as someone has since pointed out].

It is the same market. That is why it's a good idea to use MIA, because they already have a huge customer base in the area. Plus, there are still some that don't want to bother with the hassle of getting to FLL (i.e. me) and will gladly welcome an LCC choice.

I think EWR, ISP, or BDL will be one of the next cities announced.

ISP or EWR service, at least at first, would most likely be limited to Fort Lauderdale.

They aren't going to bother CO or WN trying to clobber them out of the heavy liesure, price-oriented markets from Tampa and Orlando. On the MFW-NYC runs, however, they are in a situation where customers are less price concious will pay a premium to travel them. While CO and WN would still put in extra capacity and erode yields, jetBlue has such a loyal customer base on the route, that they will be probably be able to succede due to the demographics of the MFW-NYC market.
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:15 am

EWR - I don't think that will happen with CO there. B6 would get forced out like DL forced them from ATL.
They also didn't have the following or advertising in ATL...I was one of few who knew jetBlue and I only saw 1 ad...on a bus stop!

Also, ATL-LGB and ATL-OAK had horrible yields for 1X daily service.
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RE: B6's BOS Expansion: How About PVD, MHT And BDL?

Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:57 am

About EWR-

jetBlue has a VERY loyal following in the north-NJ area. Almost everyone I know has made the trek out to JFK or LGA to fly jetBlue. EWR would be a welcome improvement, and TRUST me, they'd be able to fight CO. NYC-MIA/FLL is one of hte largest O&D markets in the world-- they can bitch fight all they want, they'll both go out full.

If B6 moves in, though, the one airline that could have problems is US... they're reputation around here isn't so great.

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