ilikeyyc
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New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:34 am

A quick scan of the Justplanes.com links to airlines produced a few new Airlines that look like they might be starting up soon here in North America. They include

Canada 3000 (actually a restart) http://flycanada3000.com
Canada World Airlines http://www.canadaworldairlines.com
Patriot Airlines http://www.patriotair.com

Being the curious person that I am, I was wondering who knows anything about these startup operations and to share with us what they know.

Are there any other start-ups out there?
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PapaNovember
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RE: New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:42 am


I remember seeing a thread about Canada World a while back. I think the opinion of most posts to the thread was that someone had a lot of spare time on their hands. Maybe that airline was a school project?
 
jfkaua
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RE: New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:38 am

Virgin America .. Hopefully..
 
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RE: New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:41 am

Now is not really the best time to try to startup an airline in North America. The North American market is oversaturated in terms of the number of airlines, with some of the most popular routes having 3 or more airlines flying on it (Example, JFK-LAX, DL, UA, HP, and AA fly the route). With several airlines on the brink of collapse, other airlines are taking advantage of it by entering their markets, the impending shakeout does not mean there is room for any start ups. This is not the early 1990s when several major airlines went out of business and a number of startups tried to come in and filled the gap. Some succeeded (Valujet/AirTran, Frontier, Spirit), while others failed (Air South, Kiwi, WestPac, Vanguard, Access Air, TriStar among others). The majors expanded not only through their mainline product, they became heavily dependent on their regional feeders. Compare the operations of EV or OH today as opposed to 10 years ago. Their operations are many times larger today than they were in the mid-1990s. The rise of the RJ helped fuel the growth of these carriers, and at the same time, hurt the chances of most future startups. There have been startups that have been in the planning stages for years (Crystal Airways, Legacy/Northern/Project Roam are two such examples), and at the same time, existing carriers have been trying to get investments as well.
 
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RE: New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:51 am

One problem I see.. however, is that most of the airlines in the US are currently all trying to fight for the same routes.. other destiantions are getting the shaft while a few select destinations are reaping the rewards.. at some point, all that overcapacity is going to cause the entire industry to just blow up.. and then, what will happen to the smaller destinations?

Therefore, I think it would be good for a few new startups that will include the smaller destinations..

I think the US Gov't should ban any more airlines/frequencies on NYC-LA, NYC-SoFL, SoFL-LA.. that triangle is so over populated that I'm surprised there isn't a permanent engine smoke line connecting them..

But that is just my opinion..
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RE: New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:56 am

I dont believe th US government should get involved..(Do i smell regulation?). This is the freemarket system at its greatest. I also disagree that smaller airports get the shaft. US Airways, in its shrinking, has dropped a few airports here in the PA/WV/OH Tri-state area from its express routings. LBE was dropped, only now to be picked up with Mesaba from DTW (previously Air Midwest from PIT). YNG is currently seeking a regional to fill its gates though it is competeing with CLE, CAK, PIT, ERI, and to a small extent CMH. ERI has seen a drastic reduction in mainline service (no mainline from US anymore) but has seen other carriers, such as CO, NW, UA, and DL pick up the bill. I do think four airlines flying a route is alt, but if they can fill their seats and at the same time drive down the ticket prices, im all for it. Bring on airline #5!

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kaputt
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RE: New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:26 am

hmm patriot air...looks kinda like an independence air, just mabye flying somewhere else.
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RE: New Airlines In North America

Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:43 am

Many many names are out there and more than half never see a first flight. There are a lot more including Primaris which is one of the more iinteresting business modles out there.
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