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US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:05 am

Could you guys please provide me with a little information about US Airways Express.

I know very little about the regional airline market in the US and only familiar with the mainlines. When I travelled with US Airways from the UK to NYC I flew via their PHL hub and got a connecting US Airways Express flight up to LGA.

While at Terminal F at PHL waiting for regional flight I have never seen to many RJ all in one place. Under the US Airways livery many said "US Airways Express - Operated by..." I lost count of the different names.

I flew up to LGA on an EMB 145 operated by Chautauqua Airline (I don't even think I can pronouce it!)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Does US Airways own all the these Express carriers and are they just carrying these names as they use to be called these airlines before being swallowed up by the carrier as a legacy? Or are they like to put it in simple terms franchise carriers like in the UK where BA has GB Airways and British Mediteraanen operating under their colours and offering the same service but are in actual fact owned by different people.

If they are owned my other airlines and operating as a franchise does that mean the crews working on these aircraft have got different terms to the poor old mainline staff at US Airways that have undergone so many cutbacks.

Sorry there are so many questions but Im just curious.
 
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:11 am

>I flew up to LGA-CLT on an EMB 145 operated by Chautauqua Airline (I don't even think I can pronouce it!)<

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>Does US Airways own all the these Express carriers and are they just carrying these names as they use to be called these airlines before being swallowed up by the carrier as a legacy? Or are they like to put it in simple terms franchise carriers like in the UK where BA has GB Airways and British Mediteraanen operating under their colours and offering the same service but are in actual fact owned by different people.<

US does actually own a few of its express carriers, they include PSA (the late, much loved Pacific Southwest Airlines that is now just a midwest regional), Piedmont (a similarly loved mid-atlantic/south carrier), and Mid-Atlantic (set up by US to get around work rules). Chautauqua, Mesa, and the others are all franchise carriers that work on contract with US. The most popular version of these contracts is fee-per-departure, where the mainline pays a flat rate and then charges and markets as they wish. There is also the actual "franchise" agreement, where a carrier will market their own routes and get to use the mainline's colors, name and res system for a fee.

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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:59 am

PSA the late, much loved Pacific Southwest Airlines that is now just a midwest regional

PSA of old is in no way any relation to the USAirways Express carrier.
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:01 am

>PSA of old is in no way any relation to the USAirways Express carrier.<

I wish I could say that was true, but it isn't. PSA Airlines flies on the PSA operating certificate.
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:13 am

Really.....? the current PSA dates back to Jetstream International and Vee Neal.
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:15 am

>Really.....? the current PSA dates back to Jetstream International and Vee Neal. <

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DSGN_CODE=VNAA&OPER_FAR=121&OPER_NAME=PSA+AIRLINES+INC
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:24 am

...and...?? What does that tell me...?? The old PSA was already long in business by then, so how would they have an operating certificate dated 1979. Vee Neal (Jetstream international) was given their operating certificate in 1979. Sorry, the PSA web site does not offer a specific date. Heck, their operation number starts with VN..!! That's for Vee Neal.

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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:26 am

>The old PSA was already long in business by then, so how would they have an operating certificate dated 1979. Vee Neal (Jetstream international) was given their operating certificate in 1979. Sorry, the PSA web site does not offer a specific date.<

That is the same site that lists WN as only having been in business since 1979. That PSA is what is left of the old PSA, including the trademarked acronym.
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:31 am

That is the same site that lists WN as only having been in business since 1979

..and that is correct. Before 1979, Southwest only flew WITHIN the state of Texas. When they begin to fly outside the state of Texas a new operating certificate was required....... which drove all the Wright Amendment crap
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:42 am

And an acronym is a set of letters that you say together like it is one word. As in PANAGRA, VASP, VARIG, etc. Not as in TWA, PSA or anything like that. Just another pet peeve of mine.

So the list is so far:
PSA
Piedmont
MidAtlantic
Mesa
Air Midwest
Chautauqua/Republic Holdings


Any others?
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:45 am

>That is the same site that lists WN as only having been in business since 1979

..and that is correct. Before 1979, Southwest only flew WITHIN the state of Texas. When they begin to fly outside the state of Texas a new operating certificate was required....... which drove all the Wright Amendment crap<

Hmm, strange, as PSA was in the same boat. They could only fly Intra-California until deregulation.
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:47 am

Trans States, aka Waterski, flies E145s in US Ex colors.
 
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:14 am

PSA = Pennsylvania Southern Airlines, This is the company that operated the D328s out of PHL and PIT.
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:27 am

Colgan Air runs B1990s and Saab 340s around up in the Northeast, some point to point and some hub feeder work.
 
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:40 am

Actually, PSA is not an acronym. In the mid-1990's US was in danger of losing the rights to the PSA name, so they renamed Jetstream International as PSA. It stands for nothing. It has always been based in Dayton, since its Piedmont Commuter days so it definitely doesn't stand for Pennsylvania Southern Airlines. You are probably thinking of Pennsylvania Airlines which was renamed Allegheny, for the same reasons, around the same time.

The US Express carriers are:
Trans States (RJ & Prop)
Colgan (Prop)
Chautauqua (RJ)
Mesa (RJ & Prop)
PSA (RJ)
Piedmont (Prop)
Air Midwest (prop) -- owned by Mesa but on a separate certificate
Mid-Atlantic -- has express titles but technically is a division of Mainline.
 
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RE: US Airways Express - Different Airline Names...

Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:06 pm

Actually PSA(Jetstream International Airlines) was founded in Pennsylvania and later moved headquarters to Dayton, Ohio.

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