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Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:40 am

Colgan Air has posted a map of the Continental Connection routes it will take over from SkyWest in March:



Interestingly, only 5 markets will switch in March. The others will begin in July.

Also, unlike previously believed, routes like IAH-LRD, IAH-SHV, IAH-AEX, and IAH-LCH will switch from Continental Express (with ERJs) to Colgan/Continental Connection (with SF3s). I am very surprised to see Colgan taking over some of these Continental Express routes, particularly LRD and SHV. These markets are (IMHO) distant and large enough to support RJ traffic profitably.

Also, the Colgan flights have been uploaded into Continental's reservation system; they now appear as Colgan flights instead of SkyWest.



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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:33 am

SHV, BPT, LCH, LRD, and AEX will see a mixed bag of ERJs and Saab 340s. I think that's why their dots are colored differently from the other cities where it is exclusively CO Connection/Colgan Air. However, if Colgan Air gets their hands on a few 50-seat aircraft, as was provisioned in the contract, expect to see at least a handful of these cities go all-Colgan.

I'm looking forward to the jetway boarding that the SF3 allows, to avoid that oppressive summer heat in Texas, in addition to the 4 extra seats and larger cabin. Overall I think the SF3 is an improvement over the EMB-120, and I for one am glad to see Colgan Air in IAH.
 
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:30 am

Looks great......still no SPS though......
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:29 am

CODC10, do you know which airports above have jetbridges that are compatible with the SF3? I know ABI and CLL have them, and I assume that SHV has them as well.

And thanks for the update on the CoEx cities. I assumed that they will keep some RJs, but I wasn't sure. Any word on whether GRK will see RJs?
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:10 am

Okay, somebody tell me WHY Continental is doing this?
Trading an entire airline- Skywest for Colgan- for a gain of 4 seats doesn't make much sense. Especially with the rumor around here that you can put people in those seats in a 340.
What was wrong with Skywest?
Further, I don't think Colgan even HAS any 340s, do they? I only know of their Beech 1900Ds.
???????
 
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:19 am

This was discussed on many different posts, but basically, SkyWest couldn't meet CO's request for more seats on these routes. True, 4 seats on each flight might not sound like much, but on a route with 4 daily flights, that's 16 seats -- a 13% increase in capacity. In many cases, filling those 4 seats could be the difference between profit and loss.

Furthermore, Colgan has Saabs:



http://www.colganair.com/aircraft.htm

And, they are acquiring more, either from C8 or the ex-AAEagle Saabs that are stored at ABI:


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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:19 am

Further, I don't think Colgan even HAS any 340s, do they..?

They have 17 Saab 340's, with more on order.

...and again... NO they are NOT coming from C8 or out of ABI. The aircraft pictured N9CJ, later flew with Mesaba in Northwest Airlink colors, and later returned to Colgan in USAirways Express colors.

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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:27 pm

SF340's on order? Thought Saab got out of the game....
 
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:39 pm

Probably SF3's that are coming from a leasing company or other airlines.


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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:45 pm

>This was discussed on many different posts, but basically, SkyWest couldn't meet CO's request for more seats on these routes.<

Actually, they did not want to. This is a franchise deal, not fee-per-departure. In this case, OO did not want to commit more of their capital to the market. Perhaps if they had a larger turbo-prop
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:55 pm

Colgan still has substantial operations out of PIT that no longer have much to connect to. I have been wondering for some time now if some of these ops will change from US Express out of PIT to CO out of CLE. Some of the aircraft for IAH could also come out of PIT as I imagine that these ops will continue to dwindle, SF3's to 1900's and 1900's to no service at all. Shuttle America also has excess SF3 capacity in these markets.
 
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:06 pm

Aren't most of their PIT ops on EAS subsidized routes? They can't change those services to CLE or anywhere else without DOT approval and a new subsidy formula. I believe the few flights that have been changed from PIT so far have been changed to IAD.
 
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:31 pm

I Miss the SAAB. As crazy as it may seem to say that, I really do miss woking on the SAAB. Does anyone know what might become of the AE SAABS in ABI and IGM? Many will be scraped, but is there hope for any of them? They still look in good condition. Any thought?
 
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:48 pm

Aren't most of their PIT ops on EAS subsidized routes?

Many of them aren't.

From PIT, Colgan flies to ABE, AOO, AVP, BFD, CMH, CRW, IAD, JHW, JST, ROC, and SHD.



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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:56 am

The first aircraft for this new contract has been delivered in standard Colgan colors...
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RE: Colgan Announces New Continental Connection Routes

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:35 pm

Shuttle America is no longer a USAiways Express carrier, the fly Saabs solely under the UAX banner out of IAD.

Colgan still operates a number of Saabs and B-1900D's out of PIT and other routes in the Northeast under the USAirways Express banner. These ops are unaffected by the new contract under CO. The IAH flying will not affect the PIT or USExpress ops. No, they will not switch to CLE flying for CO.