regupilot
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AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:48 am

Hello All to everyone who read this!!

While trying to book a flight from SJU to SDQ, I realized that American Airlines is the current one and only airline who flies the route nonstop. While Spirit Airlines and even US Airways would take me, I would have to go as close as FLL to get to SDQ. But the biggest surprise, and that made me anger, its that, the direct AA flight, its at least $306.00 USD!!!!... It is only a 1hr flight, and considering, that to NY (I had booked a flt to NYC last week) was $189 roundtrip - SJU-JFK. And even to EWR, the roundtrip from SJU was only $209.

So, why charge $250+ for such a short trip, knowing that most of the people who travels are workers who could not afford that much money. Surprisingly, the route does great, since Dominicans can't stand being away from their island for several months.

We had other carriers serving the route, but they either cancel the route, or go bankrupt.

What are your thoughts?
Thanks for reading!

Ragu!
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:49 am

No competition = no price war = AA can charge whatever the hell they want.
 
MAH4546
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:50 am

It's a free market.

AA sets the price at what the market will pay. The market is willing to pay $300+ on the flight and keep it profitable.
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:53 am

Short trips are often the most expensive.

I pay over $600.00 DTW-CVG for a non-restricted fare on NW.
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PapaNovember
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:54 am


Convenience costs. Why pay $6.00 for a gallon of milk at the convenience store when you can pay $3.00 at the grocery store?

Out of curiosity what were the prices on Spirit and US Airways? And what was the time difference (departure and arrival?)

 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:57 am

As everybody here said. No competition, higher prices. Basic economics. The same happens with TACA. Once, my dad was on a bussines trip through Central America and a short, 2 hours flight from SJO to Belize cost him (well, is company...) 550 USD (Economy class, even though he was on a bussines trip).
Definitely try US Airways with a stop wherever. It´s cheaper and making connections is fun...isn´t it... Big grin  Big thumbs up
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regupilot
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:07 am

True thing of the free market, but people, we're talking at an hour flight. On;y 250 miles. JFK, its about $200 and its a 4hr flight!

Spirit's flight takes me to FLL in the morning and I wait in FLL 9 hours before taking my flight to SDQ... price..... $30 cheaper than AA.... its also true that making connections is fun.
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:15 am


If it's only $30 difference sounds like the AA flight is a deal! How much are your nine hours worth to you? Hopefully more than $3.33 an hour!!
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:20 am

Requ:

It doesn't matter if it's a one hour flight or not. Check some other city pairs, like LHR-CDG for a one-way flight, and you'll see BA and AF charging US$650, but at least you get a jet.  Smile

It all comes down to JFK-SJU has enormous amounts of traffic and competition, driving prices down.

From PDX, there's a $500 difference round-trip between flying to SJU or SXM, a further distance of only 192 miles.

Why do you think US and UA are expanding routes in the Caribbean? It's where the money is.
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:27 am

The walkup r/t fare for DFW-MEM is $1,081

BNA is more than that.

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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:50 am

American is taking advantage of the fact that they are the only airline with non-stop service. It is very inconvenient to connect all the way in MIA or FLL for example. Therefore, it is simply a monopoly type of situation......you basically have no choice but to go with them if you want the convenience of a direct flight so therefore you are STUCK WITH THEIR OUTRAGEOUS FARES!
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:56 am

ReguPilot:
I assume that you prefer AA (as I do) and that you want to accumulate ff miles and pay the least possible. Have you tried:

SJU - MIA
MIA - SDQ

I bet the price will be much better, you will accumulate more ff miles, and the connection times will be great, since there probably is more frequency between those two routes than between SJU and SDQ.
Just a thought. What does everyone think?
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:26 pm

And why not take advantage of having the advantage of a nonstop flight? It's about convenience, and $306 for a one hour flight is not the end of the world.

I sold a ticket to a guy who HAD to FLY from South Bend, IN to Chicago....it's a 17 minute flight! Do you know how much he paid for the ONE way? $533!!!!!!

I offered to drive the guy for $400, but he was not about to do the trip in a car, or pay the bus $33 for the same trip. Some people are just willing to throw away money like that, and the airlines won't complain about it.

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PapaNovember
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:26 pm


I just checked AA.com and flight 891 (B757) tomorrow SJU to SDQ is $182.95 one-way. And the site shows that Iberia makes the flight on a 747-300 for $158.95. Round trip tomorrow (both flights) on AA is $320.00.


FLY2LIM,

The Miami routing was $330.00 for a one-way ticket tomorrow.

 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:31 pm

The Miami routing was $330.00 for a one-way ticket tomorrow.

First, doesn't anyone know that booking a ticket for "tomorrow" is much more expensive than giving it a 14 day advance?
Second, doesn't anyone know that a round trip ticket is much cheaper than a one way?

I am curious to hear what a 14 day advance, round trip ticket via Miami costs. I know how to do it but I'm not that interested.
Yes, I want to know even if the person who started the thread doesn't have a 14 day window of travel time.
Thanks,
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:35 pm

I had a flight in 2002 from LGA to PWM in August with American Eagle, a 45 min flight just one way for $340.
 
PapaNovember
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:43 pm

FLY2LIM,

I chose to use tomorrow's date specifically because we don't know when his travel dates are and I knew those would be the most expensive. On March 8th the round trip fare is still $325 takes almost six hours (including connection time in Miami) and is good for 1893 ff miles.

Non-stop on the same day, and round trip is still $306.00 on AA and is good for 241 ff miles and takes 64 minutes.

Phil...

p.s. Sorry you weren't interested, but you made me curious.

[Edited 2005-02-08 04:50:44]
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:50 pm

FLY2LIM

I still have about 21 days for my trip. I've been checking on the prices and they've been fluctuating between $280-$320. Its true about the getting more FF miles, but since there are plenty of nonstops a day, flying through Miami, is actually more expensive: $469.55 VS $311.00 nonstop from SJU.

You know, I understand how the market is and how making business works... but. AA has also established itself as the Puertorrican airline, and even the Dominican airline. They are very tied up to the local community... and... how quick prices soar... prices to SDQ were about $230 like 6 months ago (not for this trip I'm booking).

So, it seems that AA its not that of a very nice and humble company to offer low prices - reminds me of something related I did myself =)).. I'm not a business man.

I would still have to take it... Now, I wonder if I should wait until the NetsAAver fares and see if SDQ shows up by that time.

Thanks for all the replies!!
Regu - Ragu
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:52 pm

My travel dates are from Feb 26, to up 15 days after that.
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:13 pm

I chose to use tomorrow's date specifically because we don't know when his travel dates are and I knew those would be the most expensive. On March 8th the round trip fare is still $325 takes almost six hours (including connection time in Miami) and is good for 1893 ff miles.

Non-stop on the same day, and round trip is still $306.00 on AA and is good for 241 ff miles and takes 64 minutes.


PapaNovember:

Thanks for the info. From the looks of it, it defintely is WORTH going non stop, even if it's not the "cheapest" 241 mile flight. Still, it is an international flight and AA seems to have a bit of a tight grip on the market. Do we know what it takes for AA to operate that flight between two countries? Maybe it's a costlier endeavor, though I'm sure they will take all the money they can get.

p.s. Sorry you weren't interested, but you made me curious.

My original post stated that I was not "that" interested to find time to look the info up. I am always "interested".  Smile

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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:25 pm

Simply because they can and also possibly because of supply and demand. Also how long is your flight from now? That may have to do with it
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:38 pm

Why would you charge less if at the current rip off price you are selling it good?Remember they are here for bussines, to make money.They don't do favors or offer some kind of transportation services to people.And they dont care either if Jose or Pedro won't have what to eat for a week 'cause of there high fares.Raw capitalism.

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MAH4546
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:00 pm

Try booking Boston Maine Airways with a stop in Aguadilla for a cheaper fare.
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:59 pm

Iberia flies SJU-SDQ secveral times a week with a 743. I think they sell the flight. I'm on it in June.
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:42 pm

Looks like Iberia charges $317 for the roundtrip, so that's a bit more expensive, but could be more interesting, though they only fly SJU-SDQ on Tuesday/Thursday and the return Monday/Wednesday
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:22 am


Here is a two-item breakdown of the SJU-SDQ fare:
American charges $239 - high but not outrageous. The other $82 are taxes.
Taxes on tickets out of the Dominican Republic are a bundle of money.
The US also charges various small items on international
flights that add up.

Comparing JFK-SJU and SDQ-SJU on final prices is not apples to apples.

Beware of purchasing the Boston Maine Airways ticket listed for
much less. You may be asked to pay for taxes at the airport, though
it will still be cheaper overall.

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That makes post #1.



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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:40 am

US will start daily PHL-VCE next May. This will bring
one of the best livery to my home airport  Smile. I know the aircraft will
be a 767. Is there any hope US will switch to a 330 on a
"demand" basis?
 
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US PHL-VCE

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:42 am

US will start daily PHL-VCE next May. This will bring
one of the best livery to my home airport  Smile. I know the aircraft will
be a 767. Is there any hope US will switch to a 330 on a
"demand" basis?
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:45 am

US will start daily PHL-VCE next May. This will bring
one of the best livery to my home airport . I know the aircraft will
be a 767. Is there any hope US will switch to a 330 on a
"demand" basis?


that's interesting information, though what does that have to do with the rest of the thread?
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:47 am

Sorry for the last two posts! I wanted to start a new thread...
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:00 am

American charges $239 - high but not outrageous. The other $82 are taxes.

That is not in any way outrageous for a one-hour flight. Economies of scale, high demand, monopoly nonstop route .... AA could probably charge twice that and still make money.

Another issue: this is probably a flight with a fair number of business travelers. Vacationers will probably not fly this route or schedule. Therefore, there is a higher premium for the non-stop flight.
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:31 am

$239rt for a 1hour flight is not bad at all. I had to pay $550rt from LGA-ITH once and that is about 200 miles. The price rarely goes below $300 for this routing on US. Low fares my arse... One of the most expensive routes in their network per distance and the flights are rarely full. LGA-SYR goes for $250rt or less most of the time. I think they would make more money if they didn't charge exorbitant fees on the Ithaca routes, then more students (at Cornell and Ithaca College) would pay a little more than the fares in SYR just for the convenience.
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:29 am

Until more airlines compete with AA, this is what you pay. Same thing holds true for SJU to SXM . AA is asking $255 USC. this flight lasts about 35 minutes. The only other airline going direct is CSA and the direct flight is late at night, other then that you have to connect. AA, unfortanately, rules the carribean and takes advantage of that fact. I understand they are out to make a profit and all, but now when I go to book another flight in a more competitive market, and AA's price for that market is comparitive, i will choose another carrier. But that is just me.
 
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RE: AA's Super High Price For A Short Trip.

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:46 am

Not just AA. My business partner had to go from Hrrisburg, Pa. to Nashville, Tn.
He booked a flight on USAir on a Friday for a Monday flight, returning the same day. $1034.00 USD! Talk about high price!
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