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Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:36 pm

Very rare event this morning in AMS. This early morning a Virgin Atlantic A340-600 G-VATL, on it's way from Hong Kong to London Heathrow, had engine problems (Fuel Management Problems) and had to make a stop at AMS. Plane was parked at gate G09. Passengers left the plane and were put in waiting area G09. Drinks and food were provided. The engine problem couldn't be fixed AND no correct tow bar available at AMS to get the plane to a remote stand. Sister ship G-VXLG is flown in from London Gatwick to pick up the stranded passengers and was carrying a push back bar for the stranded A340-600! At a AMS we got A340 types, but only 200 and 300, so these tow bars are different from size, due to the bigger tires of the 600.


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:38 pm

Is the 346 still af ams??
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:39 pm

Yep, don't know anything about a departure time. The B744 is expected to leave around this time. The A346 was standing at Gate G09 and the B744 at remote stand G73, if everything works out, the planes are switched allready.


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:43 pm

Man, I'm going to the airport to see if it's still there.

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:44 pm

The B744 is now expected to leave 15:52 for LHR!!!


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:00 pm

I thought AMS used supertugs and did not use tow bars?
 
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:21 pm

How many pax were on the A346?

By the way: something simillar happened when an MU A346 diverted from CDG to BRU not too long ago. They also didn't have a tug to push the aircraft.

And if I recall correct, the same happened at SNN several weeks ago when a LH A346 had to divert. LH had to fly another aircraft from FRA to SNN as they couldn't move the A346.

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:28 pm

So which airports are A346 compalible? I thought most were for the 744, or is the -600 just bigger?
 
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:22 pm

well there is always MAD!!


Why don't these planes divert to MAD, it is a little out of the way but capable of the A346. So are:

CDG
LHR
FRA
MUN
ZRH
LGW (if the A345 has same wheel size)
and I am sure a couple others.

I would be great to get the other A346s! Rather then just IB, but atleast we see 11 A346s daily!


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:27 pm

Good suggestion. Mind you, why not CDG or FRA, don't these people know where equipment is?
 
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:28 pm

Pax unknown, guess from what I saw around 200 or something like that. I think in this case AMS is compalible for the A340-600, even for the new A380, allready facilities are made, for handling the plane. Tow bars are indeed used at AMS. The supertugs are used only for Boeing planes I think? Otherwise they would have used it today?


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:31 pm

so what happens when you can't move the plane? Do you have to start it up on the spot and just move it useing its own engine power?
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:32 pm

Any pics of them in AMS?
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:34 pm

Mind you, why not CDG or FRA

The plane was inbound to LHR from HKG. Why would it fly the extra distance to CDG or FRA when LHR/LGW would be just as far, and not need to have to ferry in another plane to take care of the passengers in the first place? I'm sure they didn't just pick AMS because the pilot was afraid to fly over the Channel. Even us Americans can figure out the geography on that one, LOL

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:38 pm

Yes, this is all a bit odd.... still, let me be the first to say Kung Hei Fat Choi / Gong Xi Fa Cai!

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:49 pm

Yes Kung Hei Fat Choi to Spike and to all on A.net

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:09 am

Just been there, here are the photos:

http://www.campus-site.nl

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PS. Thanks Martijn for posting!

[Edited 2005-02-08 17:24:13]

[Edited 2005-02-08 17:24:29]
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:15 am

Great pics!

are you gonna post them on a.net too?

We really need some regular A346 operators at AMS. Great aircraft!
 
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:20 am

good pics mate  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:26 am

Thanks guys;

Ive uploaded to a.net... But I dont know if the quality is good enough. Im not that good in photo-editing.

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:04 am

They do use the Towbarless Tug on Airbus's.


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So why didn't they move it, or may AMS need to get one or two towbars for A346's.

Tom


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:10 am

So why didn't they move it, or may AMS need to get one or two towbars for A346's

According to the pics, the ground handling is done by Menzies. I don't think that they have supertugs that big. Big grin

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:17 am

It could all just be a bit of tubthumping by VS in AMS.... I wouldn't put it past them! Or maybe SRB had run out of his stash and needed a 'twin pack' for the long Asian holiday?
 
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:19 am

The photos of the NWA A330 are being towed by the same tug which tows 744.

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:30 am

does anyone know when A346 is leaving???

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:34 am

Too bad this didn't take place while I was there. LOL! And nice pics Schreiner.

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:35 am

Departure expected: 19.00 I've heard...
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:39 am

oh he is leaving right away?

Nick

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:43 am

I guess that if the problems are fixed the dept time will be 19.00 local time.
Airbus problems are solved by pressing Ctrl Alt Del, so should be fixed in no time... Smile

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:47 am

no prob!

keep is up to date  Smile because if she leaves tomorrow im definatly going to AMS  Big thumbs up

cheers

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:08 am

Did she also divert to AMS because of fog at LHR? I had heard that the weather was bad at LHR and some other planes diverted, so it would have made sense for the Virgin plane to divert to an airport that would be better able to handle the if an incident occured.

Also Virgin Atlantic doesn't fly to any of those airports in Europe anyway, so could it have been possible that the pilot or ops didn't realize that there was no tow bar in AMS that could do the plane. If the captain realized he had a problem and had to put down at a close suitable diversion point, do you think he would have thought to check if there was a towbar available?
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:12 am

I just uploaded my pictures to a.net, I really hope they will get through as this is a first A340-600 appearance here in AMS. It was the first time I've seen the A340-600 in real life by the way, what a beauty she is  Big thumbs up

Thank you very much for the post Martijn. Thanks to you I can now say I've seen the A340-600, WOW --> nice aircraft.

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:27 am

Any chance of a preview? Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:31 am

Here are the links of my photos still in the qeue:

VS A346 in AMS:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/VS346RCAMS080205A2.jpg

VS 744 picking up the A346 passengers in AMS:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/VS744RCAMS080205A2.jpg

I really hope they will be added to the database  Smile

Regards from Holland,

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:46 am

Very nice pics!! Big thumbs up

Bit of a hazy day wasn't it?
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:52 am

Thanks for the comments AirHas1. Yes, it was a very hazy day today in AMS, unfortunately. But for any aircraft diversions it is really worth it. Luckily the sun was also shining today Big grin

I hope these photos will be added to a.net. That would be great, my first A346 photos and how looong and beautiful she is  Big thumbs up

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:02 am

But for any aircraft diversions it is really worth it.

I agree Big thumbs up I would've done the same if I could Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:10 am

yeh but then its almost impossible to get shot of a nice plane standing still...or am i mistaken?

btw did the 2 Virgin planes land on 18R?

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:45 am

Jep, but still airplanes are not available at AMS at night I guess. Moving aircraft can be nice to shoot...

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:46 am

ah ok...damn i would have gone spotting today but didnt have car  Sad what time did they arrive? and btw has she left yet?

Nick
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:29 am

VirginA340-600 (G-VATL) departed 24 at 2255pm

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:32 am

Well, looks like a Boing had to finish the job that an airbus started.
 
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:18 pm

Flyboy36y

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:27 pm

Must have been serious if it couldnt get over the North Sea to Heathrow
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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:57 pm

People!

Some answers to make it more clear. It was a hazy day at AMS yesterday and the diversion had nothing to do with fog at London Heathrow (and I'm not saying that it wasn't at LHR!).

About the Virgin Atlantic A340-600 problems, as already mentioned a little bit in my first post of the topic: flight was on it's way from HKG to LHR, when engine 1 stopped and the crew wasn't able to restart it, no big problem at that moment, but it then turned out that the mainfuel tank was empty and for some reason it was not possible to get fuel from other tanks, then also engine 4 stopped, bigger problems occurred! Then the Captain decided to get the bird down as soon as possible, didn't looked for what airport and off course didn't thought of tow bar problems, that wasn't the main problem at all!

Tow bar story: KLM has a big contract for maintenance/painting for the Virgin Atlantic B747-400's and B747-200's. The new A340-600 were in new colors already at delivery (the A340-300 weren't and they got painted in the new colors at AMS) and were not painted in AMS, that's why no tow bar was available, also because there are no scheduled services with the A346 to/from AMS.

A388/Schreiner: Schiphol Plaza is closed only from 00:00 till 04:00 a.m. and the shops are open from 07:00 a.m. till 22:00 p.m., every day of the week, every week of the year.

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That was it for now and thanks for the thanks!!!


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:26 pm

Well, I mean the opservationdeck, that is closed at 18.00 no?
Thanks for your tech talk. Sounds pretty serious...

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:27 pm

While in transit in AMS on Tuesday, me and a buddy got some shots if these planes on our way home from JNB..

They can be seen ;

http://home.online.no/~chainly/Img_9537.jpg

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http://home.online.no/~chainly/Img_0778.jpg

The 744 we spotted in JNB on Monday, so VIR602 diverted to AMS, and the other one was called VIR201..


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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:51 am

Thanks for the additional information SPL. The A346 is a great aicraft to see, I was very happy to see it for the first time after so many years. I owe you buddy Big grin

Groeten (=Regards),

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:04 am

We owe him alright, but he owes use for our photo's...  Big grin
We'll keep in touch about some night-shooting.

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RE: Two Virgin Atlantic Planes @ AMS

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:57 am

#4 didn't flame out & #1 was re-started.