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US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:44 am

Well, the big week is finally upon us for US Airways and Fort Lauderdale. Aside from the usual speculation about US Airways going under, how does everyone think that the Int'l gateway will fare?
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:53 pm

I think this is a good strategic move for US Airways. They have done extremely well in the Carribean & Europe and this Central/Latin American expansion will further feed and enhance that success. It will certainly benefit South Florida travelers with more options as well as the ever growing "Star Alliance" global network.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:09 pm

What is US Airways doing at FLL?
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:34 pm

USAirways has been doing quite well in FLL. EYW/MCO/TPA flights have started; EYW has performed so well that they have added 2 additional flights on Fridays - Mondays for a total of 5. The Central America flights are doing *OK*... not up to 75% - 100% loads but they're doing good, and the yields are much more impressive than expected.

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:54 pm

Out of curiosity? How are the loads on FLL-EWR/LGa looking. Ewr especially cause that is a very strong market for CO. And are the rest of the NE destinations looking decent? Wasn't there supposed to be a second round of destinations eventually will that still happen in the future?
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:58 pm

Wasn't there supposed to be a second round of destinations eventually will that still happen in the future?

Yes, there will be.

I've been hearing Santiago (Dom. Rep., not Chile), Port Au Prince, Port of Spain, and Managua (Nicuraguans represent Miami's largest Central American community, so I'm surprised they didn't already start it). More far fetched, but I've also heard Lima, but I don't see that happening soon.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:04 pm

Will any European destinations come into the picture?
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:34 pm

I think last time I asked MAH4546 said it was a possibility but I'm not sure they have the equipment to cover the routes since the 767's and A330's are being used in PHL and CLT maybe MAH4546 can clear it up. I also wouldn't mind seeing a FLL-SXM flight.

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:01 pm

I'm not sure they have the equipment to cover the routes since the 767's and A330's are being used in PHL and CLT

They have the equipment during the winter months, when five PHL-Europe routes don't operate. I think FLL-LGW during the winter would work out great with a daily 762. I don't expect it to happen, though.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:07 pm

They have the equipment during the winter months, when five PHL-Europe routes don't operate. I think FLL-LGW during the winter would work out great with a daily 762. I don't expect it to happen, though

Thanks for clearing that up I didn't realize that they didn't fly PHL-Europe during the winter.

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:30 pm

More far fetched, but I've also heard Lima, but I don't see that happening soon.

Maybe for FLL, but it has been on US' radar screen in the past. When I was doing consulting work in LIM in 1998 who else did I run into in Miraflores other than US Airways int'l planning group scouting the potential for a CLT-LIM route. It never materialized, of course, but you never know...
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:11 am

How many gates does US now have at FLL?
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:40 am

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:01 am

I flew into FLL last night from CMH and saw not one... but two 747's. It's not everyday you see one in FLL. There was an Air Atlanta 742 and another one that was off to the South end of the airport, I think it was a 743 and said Iceland on it At least from what i could see.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:09 am

The map of FLL in the current Attaché magazine lists US Airways as using E1, E2, E3, E4, E5, E6, E7, E8, E9, E10, F1, F2. A few of those gates I believe are shared with other airlines. International arrivals use gates H2, H4, H6, H8, H9, H10.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:44 am

A330323X-12 gates at FLL for US Airways? According to my numbers, that is two more than they need at the airport...
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:59 am

Hey, I haven't been to FLL recently, so I'm just going by what the (usually correct) magazine says. I do think that some of the gates are shared, so they might not have all 12 available at one time. Also, I believe the F gates were formerly ATA's, so US might have just snapped them up because they were available, to be used for future expansion.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:05 am

A330323X-Is it safe to assume that, if US actually uses Concourse F, that they are used primarily for flights to and from Philadelphia and Charlotte, as those cities are more likely to consist of O&D traffic rather than passengers connecting at FLL?
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:40 am

"I flew into FLL last night from CMH and saw not one... but two 747's. It's not everyday you see one in FLL. There was an Air Atlanta 742 and another one that was off to the South end of the airport, I think it was a 743 and said Iceland on it At least from what i could see."

The 743 sitting at the Jet Center was from a new start-up cargo company called Focus Air. Rumors are that the carrier is waiting for its operating certificate from the FAA:

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:59 am

12 gates at FLL for US Airways? According to my numbers, that is two more than they need at the airport...

Since FL uses a couple of E gates, I'm sure those F gates are used during times when there is no other space. Has ATA stopped FLL completely?
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:30 am

12 gates at FLL for US Airways? According to my numbers, that is two more than they need at the airport...

Thus allowing for growth in the future...

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:00 am

A330323X-Is it safe to assume that, if US actually uses Concourse F, that they are used primarily for flights to and from Philadelphia and Charlotte, as those cities are more likely to consist of O&D traffic rather than passengers connecting at FLL?

If the flights were more spread out during the day, that would make sense, and is what US does in places like DCA. However, with the hub as severely banked as it is, I'm not sure that'll always be possible. I guess we'll find out for sure when the ramp up is complete in a few weeks.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:05 am

F1 AND F2 ARE used by TED and so is F4 I believe. Airtran has atleast 2 gates in E concurse E2,4,6,8 two of those belong to Airtran.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:45 am

United actually uses F4 and F6, with F6 bearing the United logo.

ATA uses F2 when they are around. The rest are all AAmericAAn gAAtes.

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:49 am

One thing I've wondered about: doesn't USAirways need more domestic feed into FLL to make those international flights work? Most domestic travelers would have to connect twice to make a connection work, and that won't cut it when competing against ATL or MIA. I can't imagine FLL has enough O&D traffic, and CLT and PHL already have a lot of service to the same international cities.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:16 am

One thing I've wondered about: doesn't USAirways need more domestic feed into FLL to make those international flights work?

No.

I can't imagine FLL has enough O&D traffic

It does. The Miami/Lauderdale area has more O&D traffic to Latin America (excluding Mexico) than any other US region. It is not far fetched to say that nearly half of the O&D between the US and Latin America (excluding Mexico) is going to Miami/Lauderdale. FLL serves a population base of over 5,000,000 people. US Airways is aiming for O&D traffic on these routes, not connecting traffic. The reason they are creating this is because, even with connections, PHL and CLT would not be able to profitably support some of these destinations, mainly the FLL-exclusive ones (SAL, KIN, GUA, and PTY). Though, interesting to note that with FLL-SJO and FLL-SDQ starting, US Airways will be reducing PHL-SJO and PHL-SDQ to Saturday-only service.



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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:25 pm

I can see PHL-SJO being reduced to Sat only, but it's a bit surprising to see PHL-SDQ reduced as well. Is the reason because US wants to try to route some ppl through FLL or did PHL-SDQ just not preform? Isn't US reducing another caribbean city from PHL? Kind of surprising to see all these caribbean reductions from PHL.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:48 pm

I've been told that PVD-FLL will be the next mainline domestic addition to the FLL operation. The problem is the gate situation in FLL...
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:29 am

Which BCAD said they will work on a temporary solution, which means redoing part of the pad and bringing over a few shuttle busses for the USX jets. Right now the CRJs are using jetways, or they do when one is available.

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:48 am

PVD757, a daily PVD-FLL has been a long time coming and I believe the main reason US will accelerate their plans and switch this to a DAILY service is fairly obvious, NK. I'll be anxious to see if WN will now finally give in with at least 1 daily PVD-FLL non-stop, or perhaps PVD-PBI.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:50 am

I remember seeing somewhere that they are going to be building a concourse A...i have not been to FLL for a couple of years but from what i remember, the b-c concourses were pretty close to the end of the "property." Where are they going to fit A?
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:48 am

They've made room for Concourse A. It can't be built soon enough. Of course, they really need a new IAB as soon as possible. That might be the airports first priority.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:07 am

As for that Focus 744- It left today around 4:30... I saw her banking to the north, then back to the east... Possibly to Miami? All this while narrowly avoiding a 752 passing overhead arriving to FLL...
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:28 am

KFLL, I saw that plane take off over my school...however, I got no info on it.

When I saw it I said..."hmm, that jetBlue seems a little low"...then "it's a little loud" then... "that's not jetblue" then, "wait, its got 4 engines."...followed by "THAT'S A 747!"...and finally... "IT'S FOCUS AIR!"
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:00 pm

It flew out as EUK 845 to Birmingham, England (EGBB). ETA is 0501 GMT, or a couple of minutes from now.

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:10 pm

uhhh...Focus is still parked..has not moved. You saw the 742 pax bird that has been on the field for about 3 days...working with a cruise line.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:13 pm

>>uhhh...Focus is still parked..has not moved. You saw the 742 pax bird that has been on the field for about 3 days...working with a cruise line.

Ahh, thanks for the correction. The tail appeared to be the Focus tail, and considering I was looking at the plane from about a half mile away and the plane at around 3,000 ft, was somewhat hard to tell...
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:40 pm

I have not heard any news about when Term A will be built, but there is plenty of room.

Keep in mind the "A" will be basically 1/2 of the (B & C) type Terminals. As it will only have (5?) gates on the west side of the building.

As to what use concourse A will be put to that's anyone's guess. A few ideas have been thrown around, A commuter Term, A tempoary Intl Term, or just a regular airline setup.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:06 pm

my bad...I thought it was focus air too. Well, they both have blue tails. Nonetheless, cool to see a 742 take off from FLL.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:56 pm

I was down at FLL today and it was a glorious day. Although traffic was taking off to the west, I had some nice shots off of the roof of the parking garage. N904AW came in and N383SW was also there - great colorful schemes today with the sun-splashed afternoon.

I also noticed the US CRJs - are these the flights used to PNS, EYW, etc.? Thanks for any help.

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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:27 pm

The inbound CRj's are...
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:17 pm

Could the second waive include more NE cities like: SYR, BUF, ALB, ROC, PVD, MHT, BTV? Then maybe BGI, MEX, PUJ, STI, AUA, PVR, MZT, GIG (767 aircraft), POP, Acapulco and maybe a few others? Would USAir consider any of those international flights? And am I missing any other destinations to the south that they may even consider?
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:37 pm

Yesterday it looked like they were doing *very* well in FLL...

I was booked on the 11.30am flight to PHL, and queues in front of the checkin counters were endless... I arrived at the airport more than 2 hours in advance, and still a check in agent had to pick me out of the line at 10:45 in order to get me checked in and to the gate on time. There were still more than probably 100 people in front of me at this time. It was a mess....
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:33 pm

Then maybe BGI, MEX, PUJ, STI, AUA, PVR, MZT, GIG (767 aircraft), POP, Acapulco and maybe a few others?

BGI, MEX, PUJ, STI, AUA, POP: Maybe.

PVR, MZT, GIG, ACA: Haha. Never.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:00 pm

I don't think any of this destinations is very likely.

That are leasure destinations, and so far US kept it's carribbean leasure hub in CLT. From FLL they serve less leasure orintated VFR destinations.

So on my expansion list for FLL are destinations like: Tegucigalpa, Managua, Guayaquil, Bogota, Caracas, Port Of Spain, Port au Prince.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:12 pm

Arent the 'NIMBY' types already kicking up their heels about proposed airport expansion? I thought I had read something to that effect not too long ago.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:24 am


That are leasure destinations, and so far US kept it's carribbean leasure hub in CLT. From FLL they serve less leasure orintated VFR destinations.


From the Miami/Lauderdale area, destinations like PUJ, BGI, etc. are not only leisure destinations, but VFR and business destinations too. MIA-BGI is a big business route, for example. MIA-PUJ is a big VFR route.
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:56 am

Just curious, but what does AA think of what US is doing over in FLL? I would think they are sort of impeeding on AA's turf....
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:17 am

Just curious, but what does AA think of what US is doing over in FLL? I would think they are sort of impeeding on AA's turf....

AA has responded already by slashing some fares from Miami to Latin destinations. AA's market share is pretty steady and with Iberia dropping the Miami mini-hub, there was room for a second carrier on many of the routes which US has started from FLL. More importantly perhaps, Spirit's slower but steady growth from FLL to points South may present a long term problem for US Airways since Spirit is an LCC which has strong ties to businesses in the Broward County area, and is seen by some in our local chamber as "the hometown airline" which should be patroned at all costs.
 
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RE: US Airways @ FLL

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:32 am

US has been serving FLL (and MIA/PBI) a lot longer than Spirit and has always had more flights at FLL than Spirit. I don't believe Spirit has as many strong business ties to South Florida as does US. US's new cost structure should position them well against Spirit. If anything, I think US's expansion at FLL will pose a problem for Spirit.

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