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Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:06 pm

AvNews Latin America & Caribbean reports of a new Peruvian domestic start-up called Peru Airlines to operate with a pair of 737-200s from LIM to Arequipa, Cusco, Chiclayo, Iquitos, Juliaca, Piura, Pucallpa, Puerto Maldonado, Tacna, Tarapoto, Trujillo and Tumbes.

Anyone have any additional info?
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:11 pm

It's about time. I tried to find info through Google but got nothing...
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:17 pm



Flights to Peru
International airlines operate scheduled flights to Peru's Jorge Chávez International Airport, located in Lima. Certain flights from USA also land at Iquitos.



Flights from Asia or Oceania to Peru, connection by USA or Europe.



Direct flights exist from New York, Atlanta, Miami, Houston and Los Angeles to Lima, Peru.



International flights to Peru

The international code for Lima Airport is LIM. Jorge Chávez Airport in Lima is the main gate for international flights and it's the main hub to local flight connections. Peru is a large country with long distances between main tourist attractions. From Lima to Cusco there are 1,165 Km (724 miles) and you will need 20 hours for a trip by road, and one hour by air.







Airlines from North America, Central America & Caribbean to Peru

Aero Mexico

American Airlines

Delta Airlines

Continental Airlines

Copa Airlines

Lan Chile

Lan Peru

Taca

Varig
Airlines from South America to Peru

Aerolíneas Argentinas

Aeropostal

Avianca

Copa Airlines

Lan Chile

Lan Peru

Lloyd Aero Boliviano

Taca

Tame

Varig



Airlines from Europe to Peru

Aeroflot

Air France

Alitalia

British Airways

Iberia

KLM

Lufthansa
Peruvian Airlines - Domestic flights

Aero Cóndor

Lan Peru

LC Busre

Nuevo Continente

Star Up

Taca

Tans

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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:24 am

Aeroflot to and BA in LIM?????? Dont think so TACA, are you sure???....

The Peruvian market willl get interesting when this new airline and Wayra start flying.
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:01 am

TACA, this information seems very outdated. I know for sure TAME, Aeroflot, Air France, British Airways, Alitalia and Lufthansa don't fly to Peru at this moment, but did before. Also I don't believe flights to USA go via Iquitos nowadays.

BTW, the destinations in the article about Peru Airlines are almost the same Aero Continente served before they ended operations. I flew on them Trujillo-Tumbes in 2003. I think it is good if an airline will fly again on these routes again, or is Nuevo Continente flying them now?
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:11 am

Also I don't believe flights to USA go via Iquitos nowadays.

Aero Continente, when they were operating to the US, did have their Saturday Miami-Lima flight stop in Iquitos.

LANPeru had asked the Peruvian government to fly MIA-CUZ and MIA-IQT, and was actually denied, as Aero Continente got permission instead. Great thinking... Insane
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:47 am

Maybe it's outdated. I got it from Google. Here's the link:

http://www.destination360.com/peru/flights-to-peru.php

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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:57 pm

Im glad to see Peru get a flag carrier finally! Peru will always hold a special place with me, I flew into Iquitos in the summer of '98 on an AeroPeru 757-200 with my middle school group. I look foward to the day when they go International.

If I ever have a chance i would do it again in a heart beat.
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:28 pm

And what about Magenta Air? They are also apparently flying domestic routes in Peru.

Who owns this company?

Greetings

Lima
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:42 pm

Oh my goodness, i'm sure it will fail just as same as Faucett or aero Peru...good luck to them
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:31 pm

Oh my goodness, i'm sure it will fail just as same as Faucett or aero Peru...good luck to them
Why is it so difficult to run an airline in Peru ? Apart of LAN and TACA nobody manages properly ?
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:34 pm

Because they are not managed by peruvians . I guess facudett had a peruvian administration which actually constitues his mistake
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:21 am

Hello All!!

New airlines in Peru? You bet. LAN currently is the "Microsoft" of Peru, having I believe 7-8 A320s in service here. The airlines that serve peru at this moment (the ones I can rememeber)

1) LAN (A320s)
2) Aero Condor (Fokker F27s, 737-200)
3) Wayra (coming soon, will be operating 737 according to rumor)
4) Star-Up (737-200 Advanced)
5) Magenta Air (737-200)
6) LC Busre (props, not sure if they are still around)
7) TACA (A319 daily to Cusco)

Ok, well, at least the new airlines can enjoy the "new" Jorge Chavez. But, my money is with LAN. Saludos!!!

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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:58 am

Aero Cóndor
Lan Peru
LC Busre
Nuevo Continente
Star Up
Taca
Tans



Got them from a Peruvian site, but never heard about LC Busre, Star Up, and Tans.

Any info about them?

Thanks
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:03 am

Didn't nuevo Continente get grounded January 5 for safety concerns or they restarted operations?
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:27 am

Last News: Nuevo Continente has had to cut back services until new advertise. (October 29, 2004) (Not so latest at all).

Map of Domestic Flights in Peru - Nuevo Continente

Flights from / to Lima:
Cuzco City - Machu Picchu - Manu
Arequipa City
Juliaca (Puno and Titicaca Lake)
Puerto Maldonado (Tambopata)
Tacna
Peru South Routes

Internal Connections:
Cuzco - Arequipa
Cuzco - Juliaca (Puno)
Cuzco - Puerto Maldonado
Arequipa - Juliaca
Arequipa - Tacna

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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:14 am

Nuevo Continente was grounded months ago! From where are you getting your info TACAA320????

Also, Efromovich has said that the aircraft for Wayra will be the F100. I think Magenta Air also operates DHC-8s right?
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:03 am

"Nuevo Continente was grounded months ago! From where are you getting your info TACAA320????"

Roberto. The whole first statement says:" Last News: Nuevo Continente has had to cut back services until new advertise. (October 29, 2004) (Not so latest at all).



Regards,




[Edited 2005-02-10 23:07:25]
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:39 am

Let me tell you what I know regarding all the questions.

And what about Magenta Air? They are also apparently flying domestic routes in Peru.

Who owns this company?


Magenta Air is currently a "charter" airline. They did get the Dash-8 and were scheduled to get two more. The two additional aircraft were in Curacao getting certified or doing MX while the financing came through. Apparently, it never did.
A dear friend of mine worked in management at Magenta, under the owner whose name I forget. My friend finally had to resign because of what my friend viewed as mismanagement of funds. My friend worked there for almost a year. They still have their headquarters on Avenida Angamos but not much else is going on, AFAIK.

Why is it so difficult to run an airline in Peru ? Apart of LAN and TACA nobody manages properly ?
Doing business in Peru is extremely difficult because, among other things, the labor laws. It is extremely costly to employ people in Peru. This is what my friends who work in Peru tell me. Also, there is so much corruption and graft. If you want a permit to fly, you have to pay the "coima" (graft), if you want fuel, you have to pay, if you want this or that, you have to pay. It's getting much better but it's not anywhere like Chile, for example, which has really cleaned up its act and attracts foreign investment in ways Peru could only dream of.

Because they are not managed by peruvians . I guess facudett had a peruvian administration which actually constitues his mistake

I remember the days of Faucett. I even knew the owners (the president of the company, basically). Everything was run "a la peruana" (peruvian style). Keeping in mind what I said about doing business in Peru, the management took care of itself first and that left little for the rest of the company. They were behind in their obligations, full of debt, and not taking care of anything they needed to. However, the president's daughter attended a very fancy private school (where I taught at the time) and drove around in fancy cars with bodyguards, etc. Their downfall was the crash at AQP. I believe that the insurance was an issue, whether they had kept up the payments or they were canceled. I don't know that much, only what I heard after the accident.

5) Magenta Air (737-200)
6) LC Busre (props, not sure if they are still around)
7) TACA (A319 daily to Cusco)


Has anyone seen Magenta's 732? I am not sure that they have received it.
LC Busre is, as far as I know, a guy and his single plane. He flies (I believe) to certain airports that are hard to reach. Apparently, he does well.
TACA-Peru flies domestic as well as international. I spoke to a F/O who had just started with TA and he says that they are managed from El Salvador, even though they are a "peruvian" company. They do all their training and have all their certifications to FAA standards, since they could, theoretically, fly to the US if they flew TA flights from Central America.

Got them from a Peruvian site, but never heard about LC Busre, Star Up, and Tans.

TANS is a private airline that was started by former air force officers. It continues to fly despite having suffered the loss of one of their F-27s in the jungle a few years ago. There are quite a few pics of TANS in the a.net database.

Nuevo Continente was grounded months ago!
Nuevo continente was unable to secure a credit for fuel from PetroPeru. I also heard that they couldn't get insurance to fly their planes, which was a requirement to continue operations. This is not from a reliable source, I think I read it in the paper. The point is, when I landed in LIM in December, the N6 planes were nowhere to be seen.

Wow, I think I'm finished.

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Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:36 am

Well seems like civil aviation in Peru is getting better. As of what
has been published in the newspapers recently, there are 3 new start-up
airlines requesting permission to operate within Peru: Lasa Peru,
Wayra Peru and Peru Airlines.The first 2 already got their first stage permission to operate. Lasa is said to be related to banckrupt aerocontinente (no longer operating) still if everything goes well, it will operate b737s, a310s, a330s theyll eventualy fly within peru, n.america, s.america and europe anytime during this year and 2006. Wayra is a joint venture between a brazilian airline (Ocean air) and peruvian busniess man Koechlin. It will begin services in april and it expects to fly to the USA, L. america and Asia by the end of this year. As for Peru Airlines it what is known is that it is
requesting permission to fly withing peru only. Aereolineas Argentinas is
interested in starting up business in peru as it has done in Chile with
areolineas del sur -a regional arline opperating from Santiago. Regional airports
will be privatized this year by groups to international investments.
Lufthansa, Airfrance are to return this year to Peru. Air Canada started
operations last november. Emirates is asking !for authorization to do it in mid 2006 and Korean airlines is temping a codeshare with LAN from Seul-LAX-LIM. China has declared Peru as its international destination for chinese tourists from this year, so we also expect one of the big chinese airlines to come some time during this year.Lima jorge chavez airport looks great and it will get even better in a couple of years when the second runway is finaly done. As of now lima has 7 jetbridges which will become 19 by 2007.
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:37 am

Those guys think aeroflot and alitalia still come here, unfortunately not. Oh by
the way it was not British Airways who came here.... it was british
caledonian, but it was at least 20 years ago .


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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:41 am

I read somewhere that the government fixed the airport in Lima very good. it said " We want to be Latin America's connecting hub, since MEX is too congested, and we are better situated than GRU ". I believe it was Airliner Mag.
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:24 pm

The first 2 already got their first stage permission to operate. Lasa is said to be related to banckrupt aerocontinente (no longer operating) still if everything goes well, it will operate b737s, a310s, a330s theyll eventualy fly within peru, n.america, s.america and europe anytime during this year and 2006. Wayra is a joint venture between a brazilian airline (Ocean air) and peruvian busniess man Koechlin. It will begin services in april and it expects to fly to the USA, L. america and Asia by the end of this year. As for Peru Airlines it what is known is that it is requesting permission to fly withing peru only

The typical way of doing business in Peru is promising the sky and the moon, and then delivering crap. The last few airlines have gotten one or two old 72s or 73s and not much else. But A310s or A330s? I highly doubt it. It's easy to say that they'll fly to "North America, Europe, and Asia" but with codeshare partners and ff programs the way they are, why would you fly on an unreliable Peruvian carrier when you can take, for example, a KLM MD-11 to AMS or a LAN 340 to LAX? I will sit back and withhold judgement until I see it happen.
I believe the Peruvian market cannot support so many airlines.

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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:23 pm

If they really spent a lot of money to improve the airport as the article said, Lima could be a better connecting hub to Latin America than Mexico City. This could support an airline.
 
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RE: Peru Airlines: New Start-up

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:50 am

If they really spent a lot of money to improve the airport as the article said, Lima could be a better connecting hub to Latin America than Mexico City. This could support an airline.

Well, they really have spent the money. Lima's airport is completely transformed. It used to be two piers running perpendicular to the runway. It is now one terminal running parallel to the runway, and they will add a second runway. There will be something like 30 gates. The old international wing used to have six. And, naturally, they added jet bridges, which we never had before. So, they are spending money.
In addition, they are making improvements to the access road to the airport.
Still, I don't know how LIM can overtake MEX as a connecting hub. Mexico can be a connecting point to Europe, which LIM cannot be. I think they can compliment each other, instead.
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