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What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:38 am

Just curious as to what version of the 737 I can expect to fly on on an upcoming PHL - SAN non-stop.
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:45 am

Most likely a 737-700...
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:46 am

Could a 737 300 or 500 even make that distance?
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:46 am

i think you will fly a 717  Big thumbs up
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:51 am

733s fly MSY-LAX all the time at 1451nm, and could likely fly PHL-SAN restricted. WN, however, does not like to offload anything from a plane, chosing to fly to alternates if they have to be restricted, so it is 100% you are getting a 73G
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:52 am

I think the 735 and 733 can do the transcon but with restriction. More than likely it'll be a 737-700.
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tockeyhockey
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:53 am

sorry for the ignorance, but what's a 73G?
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:53 am

PHL-SAN has to be almost twice as far as MSY-LAX. I'm not sure a 300 could do it empty.
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:59 am

a 73G is a 737-700--didn't US operate transcons with 733s before the A32Xs came online?
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Die

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:59 am

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A 73G is a 737-700. Wouldn't do anyone much good to abbreviate it as "737".  Laugh out loud

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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:00 am

"a 73G is a 737-700--didn't US operate transcons with 733s before the A32Xs came online?"

I thought those were the Piedmont 400s
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:07 am

>PHL-SAN has to be almost twice as far as MSY-LAX. I'm not sure a 300 could do it empty.<

It is not even close to twice as far. MSY-LAX is almost 1500nm, PHL-SAN is about 2000nm. Beyond that, the 737 long had range that exceeded its normal mission. A 733 may not be the most economic plane to run PHL-SAN, but it would not be anywhere close to empty.

>I thought those were the Piedmont 400s<

Which have a shorter range than the -300
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:25 am

PHL-SAN is 2369
MSY-LAX is 1671

My bet is that unless there is an equpiment problem you'll be on a 73G.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:26 am

"PHL-SAN has to be almost twice as far as MSY-LAX. I'm not sure a 300 could do it empty."

CO scheduled -300s to California from Newark.
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:42 am

The flight's going to be a 73G, no question. Yes yes, airlines in the past have indeed scheduled Classics on longer midcon and transcon routes, but Southwest simply doesn't do that. You can bet that any route this long will be operated by a 73G.

Also a quick check of schedules shows that the current equipment on PHL-SAN is a 73G.

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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:13 am

It looks like the longest route that the 733 flies is LAX-BNA (1797 miles)according to their schedule.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:19 am

The longest route on a 737 that i have flown, classic 737 that is is United's ORD-OAK which was in summer 2001 a 737-300, 1836 miles, and it looked like it made it just fine

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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:30 am

should've choosen US Airways A321 service! far more comfortable than a 737!
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Die

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:34 am

How is the US A321 far more comfortable than the WN 73G? Have you seen the new Southwest interiors? I think they beat US Airbii and Boeing planes hands down as far as coach is concerned. I'm not a huge fan of Southwest, but they did a heck of a job with the new interiors.
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:36 am

US was routing me through charlotte, and it cost an extra $80 for two peple.

WN is non-stop and cheaper. wonder why they're going to completely dominate PHL in no time at all?
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:37 am

It will be a 737-700 with the amount of freight and mail we put on that flight a 500 or 300 would need to make a fuel stop in AMA..wns
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:37 am

Yeah--the new interiors on Southwest are some of the most comfortable I've been in. The one advantage the 321 has is IFE--but I would probably take WN on this route if my DVD player could last.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:41 am

SWA's new 73G's with the new leather seats are pretty comfy, plus if it saves you $80 and some time with layovers-you made the right choice. Plus you get to look at those amazing winglets.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am

I was on 5 WN flights last week the new interiors seem to have 33 inch seat pitch. I am 6'2" and had plenty of leg room. The 700's are very comfortable and quiet. plus the non-stop is way better than going through a connection.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:03 am

Just a question that I know has been answered somewhere... what is WN's furthest non stop route? OAK-PHL??
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:08 am

OAK-PHL is their longest route at 2510 miles.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:11 am

oh man, i can't wait to see the sweet winglets -- i don't fly that much, so this is my first winglet flight. i can already see all that extra air sitting on the wing!
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:59 am

Where do you find Southwest schedules online that include aircraft types?

I am flying Southwest on Feb. 22nd from Philadelphia to Phoenix. It is flight 277 and leaves at 8:55am. Anyone know what type of aircraft I will be on?

Thanks,

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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:11 am

SJC-BWI and BWI-SJC were once famed as the longest flight in the system. But that was discontinued a few weeks ago. I hope it becomes a seasonal route.



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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:33 am

Go to flightview.com and check it yourself.
 
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:57 am

Tony-

You're scheduled for a 700 that day..



And as an FYI to all, a 300 can make it with a reduced payload.. I'm sending a 300 from BWI-PHX today (course it's only got 60 people on it).. but it can be done.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:02 am

>PHL-SAN is 2369
MSY-LAX is 1671<

No on both. PHL-SAN is 2059nm, MSY-LAX is 1451nm.

>I'm sending a 300 from BWI-PHX today (course it's only got 60 people on it).. but it can be done.<

They have been flying that route with the -300 for a while now, right?
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:07 am

didn't US operate transcons with 733s before the A32Xs came online?

Yes they did, in the late 80's/ early 90's. The stopped the 733 transcon when the 757 came onboard.

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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:10 am

N1120A,

No they are all scheduled 700's now.. we used to schedule 300's when we first started BWI-PHX service and before we got the 700 certified.
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:12 am

>No they are all scheduled 700's now.. we used to schedule 300's when we first started BWI-PHX service and before we got the 700 certified.<

Thanks SWD, I wondered that because I knew the route was one of their older transcons (almost anyway). Didn't WN do PVD-PHX as well?
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:13 am

>>>CO scheduled -300s to California from Newark.

One of the things that folks have to keep in mind when attempting to make these kinds of comparisons is that all 737-300s (or any other type/variant) are not necessarily created equal. While they appear identical on the outside (paint jobs excepted) a CAL 737-300 and a SWA 737-300 could easily have different engine ratings, fuel tank capacities, and weight ratings such that one had different operational capabilities than the other.

A good historical example is the 737-200.

737-200 "Basic" -7 engines
737-200 "ADVanced" -9 engines
737-200 "ADVanced" -15 engines
737-200 "ADVanced" -17 engines

In rough comparions, the -17 powered ADV could fly to Mars, whilst the -7 Basic could barely get out of its own way and was basically a 1-2 hour aircraft. Yet, to the naked eye, all four of the above look pretty much the "same"

I ran a PHL-LAX flight plan on a -300 the other day, and while the takeoff performance at PHL and the landing performance at LAX were not problems, I got a "NEED MBF" error message which meant the headwinds that day were such the fuel required to make the flight (plus reserves) exceeded the tank capacity of the aircraft. Since Boeing hasn't yet certified "drop tanks" for the 737, the only two options were to fuel-stop enroute, or swap to a -700 (which has a bigger tank capacity), and we did the latter.


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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:19 am

I've been on a US 733 SEA-CLT. Needless to say, I was convinced I was going to have to get out and push.

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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:19 am

1120A,

Still do PVD-PHX.. 2x per day and they're pretty full!
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:20 am

>I ran a PHL-LAX flight plan on a -300 the other day, and while the takeoff performance at PHL and the landing performance at LAX were not problems, I got a "NEED MBF" error message which meant the headwinds that day were such the fuel required to make the flight (plus reserves) exceeded the tank capacity of the aircraft. Since Boeing hasn't yet certified "drop tanks" for the 737, the only two options were to fuel-stop enroute, or swap to a -700 (which has a bigger tank capacity), and we did the latter.<

I thought PHL-LAX was always scheduled as a -700. I guess WN really does work on the fleet interchangably, and has OPNLguy for such purposes. Is the drop tank thing a joke?
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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:36 am

>>>I thought PHL-LAX was always scheduled as a -700. I guess WN really does work on the fleet interchangably, and has OPNLguy for such purposes.

Routings constantly change, and while that flight was originally scheduled to be a -700 that day, something changed and a -300 assigned. Had the headwinds not been so strong that day, it would have worked...


>>>Is the drop tank thing a joke?

Joke? Me joke? Nah.....  Innocent

(Search the 737 photo database for "drop tank" and let me know how many hits you get..)  Big grin

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RE: What Does Southwest Fly From Philly To San Diego?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:40 am

N1120A...

Uh yeah

PHL-SAN is 2369sm or 2059nm
MSY-LAX is 1671sm or 1451nm

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