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Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:52 am

Rumor around the flight line is that Lakefield is meeting with Branson and officials from Virgin today in PIT........ It all falls into place after hearing a firm from overseas wants to make the purchase..........good things to come]
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:53 am

he would not be allowed to buy a controlling interest/more than 49%, would he?
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:54 am

that would be quite the turnaround for US. they could use his charisma to inject some new energy into an airline that has very few fans left.

i hope it works out.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:58 am

Your right only 49%....the "un-named" financer says that it will comply with all laws!
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:07 am

Around the line in PIT, or meeting in PIT?

Doesn't really make much sense that they would meet out at (what once was) mecca versus the Crystal Palace.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:13 am

You mean Virgin buying out USair? Geez, that would not only solve that whole Virgin America issue for Virgin, but it might make them a few bucks, keeping USair alive...

That airline refuses to go down, man!
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:23 am

can't agree with you more, I don't think that Virgin would want to try to start fresh with a new airline hitting the US, It's hard......with US Airways hurting for cash adn Virgin wanting to start in the US , it's a plus for both companies! US Airways keeps flying, with a name change and everyone loves the exotic name of Virgin
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:50 am

Hasn't Virgin America already placed firm orders for airbus aircraft and weren't they supposed to be IAE equipped? If so how many are on order? Is he thinking of just adding them to the existing US Airways fleet? Remeber Airways' 320 family aircraft are all GE outfitted.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:59 am

he would not be allowed to buy a controlling interest/more than 49%, would he?

If a foreign investor expresses his wish to take over a bunkrupt airline for 100% and asks the government/parliament to change this law, what do you think will happen? Who wants to be guilty if the law keeps unchanged and thousends of people losse their jobs?

I'd say it's not impossible that a "lex Branson" and Virgin US will come soon.

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:07 am

Hey,

I think it would be great if USairways was brought by Richard Branson(Virgin) and make Virgin America, If this DID happen, Looks like a lot of planes would be retired and newer planes flown.Making a simple fleet of Airbus A320 and A319 aircraft, Maybe some A321's?

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:07 am

The orders for those airbuses was before the whole US AIRWAYS mess, I am sure though ..if this goes through.. the orders could be changed to fit the company, and from what I have been reading online today and all the rumors, I think that there is a very good chance US Airways will be getting a new paint job
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:08 am

sorry A350, but in this case.. that would not happen.. the US Law is that no foreing entity can own more than 49% (or was it 25%) and that would have to be changed by a US Congress decision, which would not be very easy to do... I don't think 100% or even 49% would be very likely...

Branson, however, didn't want to own that much and this would be more than likely just the opportunity he is looking for..
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:10 am

So would this be the end of US in the Star Alliance or the beginning of VS in the Star Alliance? The only real objector I can think of is B.M.I.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:10 am

Hmmmmm..........ViginUSA vs SWA........That would be very interesting indeed. Expect SWA to keep a close eye on this,especially the foreign ownership stake issue.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:12 am

"If a foreign investor expresses his wish to take over a bunkrupt airline for 100% and asks the government/parliament to change this law, what do you think will happen?"

The US Congress is unlikely to change public policy regarding foreign ownership of airlines. If he really wants to acquire a majority interest in a US carrier he'll have to pull a Rupert Murdoch and become an American citizen
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:19 am

How do you know they are not simply making a codeshare agreement? Since Virgin America will be based at SFO and its initial presence in the east will be weak, where USAir has most of its flights.

Why would anybody in their right mind want to buy USAir's debt and labor problems? Since planes can be leased on the cheap and there are plenty of unemployed airline workers, it is easy to start from scratch.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:27 am

Keep in mind that Congress has to vote to raise the foreign ownsrship levels to any level; above the currently allowed 25%.

Congress will be lobbied long and hard to vote NOT to raise the levels. In addition, have you ever seen any bill introduced and a vote quickly taken on a subject that would sure to be controversial. In short it will not happen any time soon.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:34 am

I don't see what would necessarily be so controversial about it.... It should be all about having healthy companies operating within the US, and employing thousands of American who might otherwise be on the street.

It appears to me that European companies are better-run (from an outsider's perspective anyway) than US ones. US companies are unabashedly greedy, while Euro companies still APPEAR at least, to care about employees.

I just hope if this really does happen, that GSP is still one of their destinations!
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:42 am

Again, why?why?why? would someone want to assume all of that debt, and complicated labor issues. Makes nos sense to me on the surface. maybe he is looking to pilfer USAirways and obtain some of their valuable assets?

 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:46 am

It is always easier & quicker to buy an existing business, rather than start from scratch, irrespective of whether the business has a good or bad reputation. After a while people can only recall the business name, not why they recall the name (different if you work in the industry).

Key would be price. It's not as if there's a shortage of financially under-performing US-based airlines from which to choose.

Also, there would be conditions, such as re-negotiated employment contracts and work practices.

If a meeting is on, US must have invited SRB. Buying ailing businesses is not his style. Building new ones from the ground up is. Virgin business model isn't that revolutionary. It's the the people that make the difference, and you don't get that when you can't select / employ from a zero base.

I would question whether his organisation has the management expertise, and more importantly depth, to take on US.

However, if SRB is bored at present..........
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:53 am

It appears to me that European companies are better-run (from an outsider's perspective anyway) than US ones. US companies are unabashedly greedy, while Euro companies still APPEAR at least, to care about employees.

That's more an issue of perception, as you put it. Euro companies appear to care about their employees because they are forced to by European law. Any given country in Europe has very strict laws protecting the employee. In some contries it's virtually impossible to fire an employee.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:58 am

Hasn't Virgin America already placed firm orders for airbus aircraft and weren't they supposed to be IAE equipped? If so how many are on order? Is he thinking of just adding them to the existing US Airways fleet? Remeber Airways' 320 family aircraft are all GE outfitted.

Virgin America will operate new Airbus 319 and A320 aircraft. The airline has the option to acquire and lease up to 105 in all.

That's from virginamerica.com
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:00 am

I like the sound of Virgin US, but wouldn't Virgin PI (Piedmont) sound even better?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:03 am

I have a question according to virginamerica.com it says that Virgin America will be run by Fred Reid. Anybody know his background? Any connections to US Airways?

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:34 am

Wasn't Fred Reid previously the CFO at Delta? (which makes me wonder why Virgin USA thought to hire him)
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:47 am

This will be a good thing for USairways EMP to become VIRGIN AMERICA bad for the for the rest of the industry. I don't see Branson keeping all the service USairways has now..Branson will drop all the service that is not making money.I also don't see Branson keeping any puddle jumpers.wns
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:57 am

Again,no one wants to talk about the X factor. SWA. Hehehe,the Wright Admendment is not even a blip on their screen if this comes to pass. I wander if Branson knows that SWA's CEO will clear his desk and make VirginAmerica target number #1. Again,if this comes to pass( just buying a majority up to 49%) this will get interesting. The marketing theatrics will be out of this world.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:25 am

"I don't see what would necessarily be so controversial about it.... It should be all about having healthy companies operating within the US, and employing thousands of American who might otherwise be on the street."

IMHO, it's not even so much that a foreign investor wants to have a large stake in a U.S. airline, but rather the fact that a BRITISH entity is trying to do so, given that Bermuda II is inherently oppressive to US carriers. I have no problem with granting a French or Canadian entity the right to heavily invest in a US airline, but I am 100% opposed to allowing a non-Open Skies country the right to profit from US airline service beyond the current limitations.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:12 am

Avek100

Profit from US airline service? Where? Who? Predictions are that all US legacies will lose more than their collective worth in 2005!

The only restriction to US carriers by Bermuda II is LHR, otherwise they are pretty free to fly where they like.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:18 am

"The only restriction to US carriers by Bermuda II is LHR, otherwise they are pretty free to fly where they like."

B2 is pretty da*ned restrictive - until it gets replaced by Open Skies, then UK persons should be denied the opportunity to potentially benefit economically through a controlling interest in a US airline.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:27 am

Hard as the battle in Congress may be to raise the foreign ownership levels above 25%, that battle pales compared to the one that will arise over LHR.

Surely Branson, BA, the UK govt. etc. etc. realizes that if the 25% limit was raised to 49% or 51% the US would dermand immediate and pronto,open and unrestricted access to LHR for all US carriers. Period. End of discussion.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:37 am

I am pretty sure the Virgin America Airbus order is for the CFM engines, same as US has, not the IAE VR's mentioned earlier in the thread and Fred Reid did come from Delta, I believe his last position at DL was President !

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:42 am

I don't see Branson keeping all the service USairways has now..Branson will drop all the service that is not making money. I also don't see Branson keeping any puddle jumpers

Alas, Branson would not be in charge... Branson may put up the money and may offer suggestions, but seeing as he cannot own the company.. he could be nothing more than a consultant.. It would be managed and operated by Americans...
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:44 am

OK, lets say LHR opens up to any US carrier that wants to fly there.(BTW, I am also for unrestrictive access to LHR). What will happen then? Will UK carriers be allowed unrestricted service in the US?

What do we have at the moment: AA/UAL and BA/VS. We're talking adding, I guess, NW, CO, US and DL. Have I missed anyone? If they can get the slots, why not?

I sense that folk think that access to LHR is this great nirvana. Last I heard is that UAL sold some of their slots at LHR. Why? I can only imagine that for them to give up such "scarce" resources, they weren't making any money on them.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:54 am

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:59 am

Hi SHUPirate1

I intentionally omitted BD as they already have quite a large presence at LHR.

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:20 am

"Hard as the battle in Congress may be to raise the foreign ownership levels above 25%, that battle pales compared to the one that will arise over LHR.

Surely Branson, BA, the UK govt. etc. etc. realizes that if the 25% limit was raised to 49% or 51% the US would dermand immediate and pronto,open and unrestricted access to LHR for all US carriers. Period. End of discussion."

My point exactly - the biggest battle isn't over whether foreign persons should be permitted to control a US airline, but whether foreigners from nations that do not permit open access on INTERNATIONAL routes should be allowed to gain economically from US DOMESTIC operations.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:40 am

Dear all,

What difference would renegotiating Bermuda II really have if slots at LHR are impossible to come by? Sure, some other foreign carriers might be inclined to sell some of their slots for a pretty penny but I really doubt this will free up enough slots for CO, DL, US, and NW even if a new open-skies agreement allowed them all to come into LHR...
On topic, the simple question should be: if US is going to die (which it may not I grant you optimists) then wouldn't it be better to save thousands of jobs rather than lay them all off, even if their pay cheque comes from a company with 49% foreign ownership?

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:49 am

Avek00

So I take it you are in favor of foreign ownership of US airlines? Only qualified ones, in your opinion, of course. I couldn't care less! I see no difference between ownership of an automobile company and ownership of an airline, no matter what country it's in.

Currently, LH owns 20% of BD, and can gain a controlling interest if Bishop (Michael) decided he wanted them to. So what? SQ owns 49% of VS. So what?

What makes US airlines so special that a foreign airline cannot have a controlling interest?
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:48 am


Scotron11:

'I sense that folk think that access to LHR is this great nirvana.'

Well yes it is actually, hence it is a major factor encouraging the existence of the A380.

LHR is very important not just for its connections, but also its relatively close location to London in comparison to the dump known as Gatwick and the very distant Luton and Stanstead.

The latter two should not really be called London anything as they are so far away.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:51 am

craps- hope this doesn't happen
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:52 am

"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome aboard Virgin Atlantic flight 123 to London-Heathrow, operated by USAirways. As we taxi out of the gate, please turn your attention to the aisles as our flight attendants demonstrate the safety features aboard this Airbus A380 aircraft.".............

I think a 49% Branson ownership would be a good thing. A--It would save USAirways, many jobs, and perhaps some airports. B--despite a strong foreign influence, the airline would be 51% US owned. Assuming that the "merger" would be successful, the partially US owned airline would help out the economy, and would not give up all control to foreigners.

Of course, the A380 bit is totally wishful thinking.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:00 am

"So I take it you are in favor of foreign ownership of US airlines? Only qualified ones, in your opinion, of course. I couldn't care less! I see no difference between ownership of an automobile company and ownership of an airline, no matter what country it's in."

I have zero problems whatsoever with the general notion of a foreign entity owning or controlling a major stake in a US airline. However, as a matter of sound economic and commercial policy, a necessary minimum precondition to allowing increased foreign ownership must be unrestricted access by US carriers to the other country in the context of an Open Skies agreement. Note that I am not saying that US carriers should be allowed to start domestic ops in the other country, or that US persons should be granted similar ownership rights - the point is that an inability of US airlines to fly unrestricted to the other country must serve as a bar to increased access to - and economic gain from - the US aviation market.

"Currently, LH owns 20% of BD, and can gain a controlling interest if Bishop (Michael) decided he wanted them to. So what?"

For starters, the UK and Germany have unrestricted access to each other's aviation markets - last time I checked, LH isn't subject to arcane rules on flying into LHR vs. LGW, and BA/BD don't have to fight over FRA access. If the UK allowed US carriers the same level of access to UK markets/airports it allows German carriers, then Branson can own/control/run into the ground all the US carriers he wants to.

"What makes US airlines so special that a foreign airline cannot have a controlling interest?"

The size of the US aviation market is what makes the difference - it's by far the single largest domestic aviation market, and no country that refuses to allow Open Skies should have direct access to it, period.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:04 am

"I sense that folk think that access to LHR is this great nirvana."

It is - LHR is still the undisputed king of premium international traffic. Hell, the A380 is practically being built for LHR flying.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:13 pm


The reason why the A380 is so attractive to LHR is slot availability.

I see no reason why existing operators should be kicked out of LHR to let US carriers in.

There are also MAN, BHX and LGW, why not fly there.

As for the "prize" of buying a US carrier, how many are currently in Chapter 11.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:37 pm

Maybe he'd buy the certificate and certain assets (if the price were right for the lien holder--ie. Bronner).

I still believe SRB would prefer to build his operation from the ground up. Branson has yet to turn VExpress into a winner. Contrast that with VB. He is building VNigeria from the ground up (admittedly, there isn't a turnkey operation available in Africa...). Branson can bide his time and wait to see how things shake out--neither U or UA can stay in Ch.11 forever. Why jump into SFO with UA still hiding in Ch.11.

Also, if the ownership requirements change from the current 49% financial interest/25% control great. If he gets locked into an agreement now, if the requirements change, he's hosed. He can bide his time and hope for a change. If it doesn't he hasn't lost anything.

Branson cannot want anything to do with the people who pulled the baggage melee in PHL over Thanksgiving. Even though the labor contracts have been altered to be more efficient, the second Branson and his deep pockets hit the property, the IAM will put a gun to his head. Every employee group that has been held up at gunpoint by Bronner will now want their contracts back.

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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:45 pm

Dang...this all started from "Rumor around the flight line "??

Grin

Fred Reid developed Song and then left DL...and he has take at least 1 or two with him to Virgin. Virgin just announced delay till 2006 startup by the way.

Problem with Branson and USAir is that the folks at Indy Air say he is sleeping over there...that they have the deal.

Meanwhile the pilots at USA3000 are saying they are it...they have the deal.
 
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:47 pm

"I see no reason why existing operators should be kicked out of LHR to let US carriers in.

There are also MAN, BHX and LGW, why not fly there."

1. The UK always manages to "find" LHR slots for the third-rate Air Kookamongas of the world to fly to/from the banana republics - why can't major *global* carriers like CO, NW, and DL receive similar assistance from the Brits?

2. The reason why other US carriers want to fly into LHR is the same reason why the UK government forbids them from doing so - neither LGW, nor MAN, nor any other airport ON EARTH has as much premium international traffic as London Heathrow.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:50 pm

"The reason why the A380 is so attractive to LHR is slot availability."

Yes, 'cos the slots are worth their weight in gold due to LHR having more premium international traffic than anyone else.
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RE: Branson' And US Airways

Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:53 pm

Meanwhile the pilots at USA3000 are saying they are it...they have the deal.

I don't understand why they would want to be sold.

USA 3000 is owned by Apple to run vacation flights. They wanted to have complete control over the flights so they started USA 3000. If they sell it, they are back to square one, relying on carriers like Champion, Ryan International, Miami Air, where they have little or no say in the customer service department.

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