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First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:01 am

Just announced today. Great to see the GEnx on both the 787 and A350. First Choice is good start on the 787, but hopefully this will be the start of many more GE-powered 787s (there's a lot of potential with the pending selections at JAL, Continental, or many of the other 787 orders).

http://www.geae.com/aboutgeae/presscenter/genx/genx_20050209.html

GEnx Engine Selected by First Choice Airways for New Boeing 787 Aircraft
February 09, 2005 -- EVENDALE, OHIO - First Choice Airways, based in Manchester, England, has signed a Memorandum of Understanding to purchase General Electric Company's GEnx engine to power six Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft.

The airline has purchased rights for an additional six 787s. The airline is part of the international leisure travel corporation First Choice Holidays PLC. Aircraft deliveries begin in 2009.

"We are thrilled to have First Choice as our first customer on the 787 and to embark on this new long-term relationship," said Tom Brisken, general manager of the GEnx program. "Breakthrough technologies in our new GEnx engine will bring outstanding economics, low noise, and low emissions to the First Choice fleet."

While the GEnx is a new engine, it is based heavily on technologies GE has invested in over several years. In 2005, the focus will be on maturing those technologies through an aggressive schedule of validation testing. Among the GEnx's unique technologies are a front fan case and fan blades made of composites - for greater engine durability and weight reduction - and a next-generation combustor for efficient fuel mixing before ignition, resulting in significantly lower NOx levels.

Based on the architecture of the renowned GE90 engine, the GEnx is being designed to meet the aggressive performance targets for the twin-engine 787. The first full engine will go to test in 2006, with engine certification scheduled for 2007.

First Choice, founded in 1987 as Air2000, is one of the United Kingdom's leading leisure airlines. Operating a fleet of 33 aircraft from 15 UK airports, the airline flies six million customers on more than 30,000 flights to about 60 destinations worldwide each year. The airline re-branded as First Choice Airways in March 2004, taking on the name of its parent company to reflect its status as the airline of one of the UK's four major tour operators. The airline also works with more than 80 other tour operators.

GE Transportation - Aircraft Engines, a part of General Electric Company (NYSE: GE), is one of the world's leading manufacturers of jet engines for civil and military aircraft. GE Transportation is headquartered in Cincinnati, Ohio. Take an inside look on-line at the GEnx advanced features through a comprehensive tour at the GEnx Theater atwww.geae.com.

 
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:28 am

Does anyone know if First Choice will be finalizing their order anytime soon? Now that they've selected the GE engines for the 787 it seems that they are going through with the sale (there were some posters who took FCAs delay in finalizing the 787 order to mean that they were going to switch to the A350).
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:46 am

NYC777,
The delay in the 787 order being finalised is due to the company working through the various financing options available. You'll notice that the GENx deal is currently only an MoU, it too will be finalised at a later stage once contractual negotiations are completed.

The presentation on the airline received on the A350 was a worthwhile check to make sure that FCA have selected the right aircraft for the futute. The A350 doesn't fit in with our strategy for one reason, it is too large.

The expanding long-haul programme will feature flights to a wide range of destinations, rather than concentrating on just a few as our competitors do, and for that a smaller aircraft is required. It would be difficult to support destinations like St Thomas, Triuavandrum, Mombassa, Aruba and Porlamar on larger aircraft. More destinations to come in 2006....

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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:49 am

Does anyone know if First Choice will be finalizing their order anytime soon?


First Choice firmed up the 787 order today - that's from Air Transport Intelligence. So there's no delay.
 
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:12 am

So that means we should see it on Boeing order totals within the next week. Or am I off on that?
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:15 am

Intresting that they have gone with GEnx.

Any idea weather these will replace the B767 or add to its current service?
 
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:14 pm

SCPremier,
The 767 leases are due to expire 2009-2011, the 787s will replace them on long-haul routes in that timeframe.

It is possible, but unlikely, that a few 767s may be retained for short-haul routes alongside the 757 - I wouldn't think anything is set in stone at this stage.

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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:19 pm

Great news for the GEnx program, especially from a euro airline! Also good to hear the order is now firm...so is that an even 60 firmed now, with 190-ish on order total?
 
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:03 pm

Brilliant news for FCA  Big thumbs up
I wonder if any other UK charter airline will take up the 787, Britannia seems the obvious one I would think, to replace it's 767s
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:02 am

Both FCA and BY seem pretty much dedicted to Boeing, whereas others are opting for Airbus.
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:21 am

How much of the cost-savings promised by the 787 can be attributed to the powerplants? Say as a percentage when compared to other things like weight-materials-aerodynamics-wing etc.?

The GEnx is based on the GE90, (right?) what airlines operates this pp on their 777s? and how reliable have they been? am I to believe the first GEnx is scheduled to go to test no earlier than 2006? What else is on offer to power the 787?

I guess what I am leading to is that; Is too much of the success of the 787 program lie in the powerplants? Considering they really don't know right now how the buggers are going to work out.

I have searched (but I don't trust it) looking for anymore details, heard a rumor Ethiopian ordered the 787? How many and for delivery when?
Boeing is on a roll. Good to hear some good news for a change.
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:36 am

have searched (but I don't trust it) looking for anymore details, heard a rumor Ethiopian ordered the 787? How many and for delivery when?
Boeing is on a roll. Good to hear some good news for a change.


The Ethiopian order is confirmed, it is on Boeings web site, under commercial airplane news, I believe for 10 frames.

I guess this means they should firm up the order for First Choiice now too, it shouls appear on the wires shortly I would think.
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:36 am

How much of the cost-savings promised by the 787 can be attributed to the powerplants? Say as a percentage when compared to other things like weight-materials-aerodynamics-wing etc.?

I think engines account for 8% of the improved economics. Slightly less for the non-bleed air variants who do not benefit from the lightweight/low-maintenace systems.

The GEnx is based on the GE90, (right?)

Sort of.... just like the GE90 was based of the CF6. The GEnx will be based from a scaled version of the GE90 core but with many new components. They will bear little resemblence to eachother...

what airlines operates this pp on their 777s?

The GE90 has passed the Trent 800 as the most popular powerplant on the 777. Airlines with GE90 include CO, AF, BA, KL, JL, NH, and EK and SQ will soon join the mix.

and how reliable have they been?

Very.

I have searched (but I don't trust it) looking for anymore details, heard a rumor Ethiopian ordered the 787? How many and for delivery when?

Not a rumor... they have announced they will order 10-

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050204g.html
 
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:42 am

Sort of.... just like the GE90 was based of the CF6

Negative, ghost rider. The GE90 was a clean sheet entirely.

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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:50 am

Negative, ghost rider. The GE90 was a clean sheet entirely.

Christ I hope this doesn't end up like the 747-Adv "what constitutes a new wing," debacle-  Big grin

"Although a new engine, the GE90 retained technology from the CF6 and CFM56 engines, as well as the Energy Efficient Engine (E3) program previously conducted in cooperation with NASA."

http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Technique/GE90.html

[Edited 2005-02-11 20:51:02]
 
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:54 am

I'm feeling verrrry argumentative today apparently.  Laugh out loud

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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:05 am

Remember at first BA had LOADs of problems with the GE90, it aint that great  Big grin
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RE: First Choice Selects GEnx For 787s

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:22 am

The GEnx is based on the GE90, (right?)
The GEnx is taking quite a bit out of the GE90, but will have quite a few advanced features:
1. Split pre-diffuser (free cut in fuel burn, it just requires better casting tech that came out circa 1998)
2. Improved combustor design (more of a long term cost fix than anything else. Some improvements in emissions vs. GE-90B, worse emissions than original GE-90A that had to be pulled due to durability and Raleigh criterion issues.)
3. Dramatic improvement in FAN aerodynamics/structure.
4. The usual tweaks in turbine, etc. (Blade cooling improvements that were developed post GE-90, etc.)
5. New low pressure compressor

What its taking:
1. A scaled High pressure compressor (but with blade aero tweaks)

BA had huge issues with the original GE-90. Many combustor issues as well as part availability.

Question: Does anyone know if the GEnx has a higher low spool rpm?

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