klmcedric
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CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:22 pm

Continental will operate 4 new routes from EWR next summer.
Starting with Belfast (from may 26th), then Stockholm(june 2nd), Hamburg (june 9th) and
finally Berlin Tegel (july 1st).
Anyone knows wich AC type will be used for these routes.
752 can make it to belfast but not to the three other cities right??
762??
 
gkirk
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:26 pm

You missed out Bristol  Big grin
I believe all flights will use 757-200 a/c
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sevenair
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:27 pm

awww, i was hoping they would come to NCL, surly the demand for NCL must be higher than that of Belfast??
 
boeingfever777
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:53 pm

The EWR-TXL, isn't that going to push the range limits with exceptable cargo load? or is that 500NM difference great enough with cargo loads?



EWR-TXL =3,458NM
EWR-ARN =3,415NM

BTW: Great news for CO.  Big thumbs up
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:56 pm

Sevenair,

I thought that too. Looks like NCL will be overlooked yet again. When are EZY announcing new routes from NCL, its about time they did, it's been a while. I hope they start FAO.
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HUYfan
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:07 pm

I think it is likely that Continental will start Newark-London Stansted and Newark-Newcastle flights for summer 2006.

Regards

Mike
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:04 pm

WOW,
Welcome to Berlin  Smokin cool

The next one who tries to bring longhaul to Berlin, and in my eyes the first to succeed. Maybe they'll come in a few years with their 787s  Love

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TR
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:17 pm

There is suddenly a number of airlines operating on the USA-Stockholm routes - CO, MH, SK. Only a few years back both American and Delta terminated their services so it seems that the Swedish/US market has recovered... Maybe American and Delta consider to return as well?
 
sevenair
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:21 pm

oooh i hope EZY do announce new routes, would be cool! I think CO would kick itself once its comes to NCL (if it did) and realised how much money its been missing ou on-take EZY-it didnt come near NCL til about 2/3years ago, now it seems every other movement at NCL is EZY
 
DAL767400ER
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:25 pm

Yup, it is great that Hamburg will finally have a nonstop US flight again, after Delta left in 1998. Still wish DL would return as well, though, but for the time I welcome CO 757s at HAM Big grin .
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:30 pm

The flight to BERLIN will be in a 757-200 international configuration. They ran a Business First special when they announced the service. I am booked for the American Labor Day holiday in 2A and my partner is in 2B. Each ticket cost $1600.00 . A deal compared to 3 or 4 thousand.

[Edited 2005-02-10 14:39:03]

[Edited 2005-02-10 14:39:37]
 
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...

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:33 pm

And not to forget EWR-(HAM)BURG.

Delta was the last one to operate transatlantic into HAM. But i think B757-200 is ideally suited for such routes (versus B767 etc). So, CO doesn´t have any real competition.
Though LH will try to drive them out of the HAM/TXL-markets. DUS would have been also on co´s list but LH was more speedy in offering the BBJ business-class only service out of DUS.
So, unfortunately CO won´t get sufficient high yield traffic out of DUS...
Let´s wait and see how LH will react! I´m rather sure that LH will not offer BBJ-service from TXL or HAM.
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:36 pm

>Yup, it is great that Hamburg will finally have a nonstop US flight again, after Delta left in 1998. Still wish DL would return as well,<

Didn't DL announce JFK-TXL with a 763ER as well? Not quite back to Hamburg, but not bad either

[Edited 2005-02-10 14:37:13]
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:43 pm

Bring back STN !!!!!!!!!!
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tpaewr
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:51 pm

CO to start 5 euro, 1 African, and maybe an Asian route this summer, we should know here shortly. But the hiring for LOS has started, despite the curious delay in the service being loaded.
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:58 am

>Didn't DL announce JFK-TXL with a 763ER as well? Not quite back to Hamburg, but not bad either<
It's a start, but I'd still prefer DL here at HAM, as I wouldn't want to make the drive to TXL. Car costs too much to park, and the train is not reliable.
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:48 am

According to Amadeus JFK-TXL will be served with a 767-300 by Delta and the 752 by Continental on EWR-TXL. Kinda funny considering that CO has a large hub at EWR and thus can fill up the flight with ongoing pax while DL depends mainly on O&D pax.

Max
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:13 am

>and the train is not reliable.<

You have got to be kidding me. Die Bahn is the most reliable train system in the world.

>thus can fill up the flight with ongoing pax while DL depends mainly on O&D pax.<

Part of that is that the 763 is the smallest plane in DL's trans-oceanic fleet and also that DL does have a good degree of connecting traffic at JFK along with a strong FF base. Remember also that they can draw SkyTeam pax, while CO will have likely filled their plane by the time alliance travel kicks in.
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:16 am

DL should also have a head start of 2 months on the NYC-TXL market (start is May 2 vs. Jul 1 for CO). Am booked on the inaugural DL78 JFK-TXL already Big grin
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:32 am

I would say that we could soon see CO flying from Cork, as good a chance as Bristol or Newcastle
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DAL767400ER
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:35 am

>You have got to be kidding me. Die Bahn is the most reliable train system in the world.<
Seems you haven't read to many news pieces about the Bahn. Ever since the route has been upgraded to ICE only, PR has been somewhat bad, with 3 trains breaking down within the first 4 days, including the inaugural train. Things have gotten a bit better, but I still wouldn't take Die Bahn again, and I speack from the experience of 10 years at high school, which included some 30+ trips with the DB, with maaaany bad experiences (delays, trains breaking down etc.).
 
heisan67
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:58 am

EWR-OSL has been running for 1 year soon, using a B757-200. This is the only nonstop connection between USA and Norway after SAS pulling out. (SAS is however seriously thinking of realunching the route). I belived that CO was to launch service to HEL (Helsinki) as well this summer, but I may be wrong.
 
ZRH
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:09 am

What's with Vienna? I thought they wanted to include VIE?
BTW how many destinations in Europe does CO have? As I know from Zurich they are doing quite well.
 
heisan67
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:11 am

Here you may see there routes to and from USA (international ones):
http://www.continental.com/travel/destination/routes/maps/co-world_200502.pdf
 
Thenoflyzone
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:25 am

Glad to see CO expanding in Europe! The B757-200 has a range of 3900nm, more than enough for all the new destinations announced by CO (Eastbound , at least!)

On the westbound flights however, if the plane encounters a lot of headwind due to the jetstream, some diversions might be possible at YHZ, YQX or YYT! It is also possible that the planes will have load restrictions on the westbound flights, especially from ARN!

How is EWR-OSL doing? Does anyone know if there are any load restrictions on the westbound flights?

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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:36 am

It is so great that CO starts HAM-EWR flights from June, my girlfriend and I will book HAM-EWR-BDA-EWR-HAM within the next few days! Despite they have the monopoly for nonstop flights from HAM to EWR, they do not act like shitty Lufthansa and demanding rip-off fares!

I am already planing another tip on CO after the trip to EWR/BDA. When they offer good service, they won me as a loyal customer! Cheap fares and great service is something that LH never offered, so I am really glad that CO decided to serve HAM and that you can reach almost every important destination in the USA/Central America with only one stop in EWR!

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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:55 am

You have got to be kidding me. Die Bahn is the most reliable train system in the world.

 Wow!
Die Bahn is a piece of sh..

I'll be trying DL's BusinessElite next fall on their new TXL-JFK run - hopefully it'll last. CO's HAM-EWR is next on my personal priority list, unfortunetely, they didn't have good fares for fall travel in BizFirst...

But surely, it's great to see a US-carrier in HAM (and TXL as well) again!!!
Way to go CO.
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:31 am

Including the five new European destinations this Summer CO will fly to..

Belfast, Berlin, Bristol, Hamburg, Stockholm, London, Edinburgh, Glasglow, Birmingham, Manchester, Dublin, Shannon, Paris, Frankfurt, Lisbon, Madrid, Geneva, Zurich, Milan, Rome, Amsterdam, Brussels.
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:02 pm

You can also add Oslo to that list  Big grin

 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:20 pm

Sevenair.

Why would you think the demand from NCL would be more than from BFS? On the contrary, there is substantial traffic and all of which has to connect through either Dub, or a mainland airport. Thus, it was probably taken into consideration that NI has currently no scheduled transatlantic routes from any carrier whereas mainland GB has from many airports, and all of which are easily accessible to residents of NCL.
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heisan67
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:53 am

The Oslo-rote is doing very well. Recently there were an article in the newspapers where Continental said that EWR-OSL-EWR had a very good load factor just below 90% and they were pleased on how the route has been doing this 10 first months.
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:47 am

I knew I forgot one, from EWR

Belfast, Berlin, Bristol, Hamburg, Stockholm, London 2x daily, Edinburgh (going to 10 Weekly this Summer), Glasglow (going to 10 weekly this Summer), Birmingham 2x daily, Manchester, Dublin, Shannon, Paris 2x daily, Frankfurt, Lisbon, Madrid, Geneva, Zurich, Milan, Rome, Amsterdam, Brussels, Oslo
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:39 am

X STT757
Amsterdam goes to 2 daily
Glasgow and Rome go to 11 weekly.

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berlinflyer
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:52 pm

For Berlin I am sceptical for CO. It looks as if bookings run better for Delta on their new JFK-TXL Service, starting May 2nd. If you ckeck on orbitz.com, you´ll see that more seats on Deltas 767-300ER are booked than on Continentals 757. Personally I would prefer Delta with a 767 also.
 
heisan67
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:15 pm

Is it possible to see how many seats are available on these flights? I would have thought this information was restricted.
 
DAL767400ER
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:28 am

Is it possible to see how many seats are available on these flights? I would have thought this information was restricted.
For starter on Delta, there is always http://www.benedelman.org/travel/dlseats/ , though that site tends to often show more seats sold than actually are, but it is still a pretty good source for loadfactors.
 
ZRH
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:44 am

My question again. Does anybody know what's with VIE? I thought CO intended to fly there.
 
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:13 am

i am going out on a limb here and going to say that we will add a 2nd LIS service.....LIS is our highest load factor and has very good yields. I was verysurprised to see a 2nd BHX flight before LIS........and lets get a 2nd MAD flight out there!!!
 
masseybrown
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RE: CO To Start 4 New European Routes This Summer!

Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:56 pm

CALMSP, at one point in the 70s? 80s? TWA used to run their LIS flights onward to BCN. I know CO hates international tags, but that could be a good one if CO starts up a second flight and if station costs didn't overwhelm the load possibilities.

On second thought, station costs are probably the main reason CO hates tags; there's likely no way to pay them on a part-load of a single airplane.

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