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A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:23 am

Hey guys,
I thought I would share this link with you. It is from James Howard Kunstler's "Eyesore of the Month" website-
http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore.html
BTW, it's a pretty funny website, you might want to browse around it a bit.
I don't like how the A380 and the Airbus staff are portrayed in such a negative light here. It really is a putdown for the people who have worked so hard on the A380. What do you think? Please post your response.

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:32 am

The A380 boosters are sure to go off like skyrockets once they read that caption!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:35 am

Hard to make out what his point is. If I worked for Airbus I wouldn't have any trouble shrugging him off.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:52 am

I'm a big fan of James Howard Kunstler, but he tends to go off the deep end. He's an extremist. He's currently on a crusade against the culture of rampant, unsustainable oil consumption. He hates the A380 for its furthering of that culture.

While I wouldn't call the A380 an eyesore, he does have a point.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:56 am

They guys should stick to what he knows, architecture.

Since the A380 lowers CASM by 20%, his whole point is mute.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:04 am

Guess Howard is from USA, as his Legacy comment should read "US Legacy". The Global Legacy carriers are doing well, maybe they know something we don't, and are buying the 380 with their profits.

Europeans, please lets not make this into a huge argument again, this is obviously very much tongue in cheek, from someone who probably does not have a passport.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:23 am

What kind of stupid guy is this Kunstler? He is only a aviation hater. If only his crap would be at least a little bit funny.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:30 am

Just a point of reference. Not all the worlds Legacy carriers are or will be doing so great. You have to remember that LCCs became a large factor in the US first. At 25% of the seats now they are a large part of what ails the Legacy carriers. LCCs as completly independant carriers are still fairly new in the Asia Pacific region but already older carriers are feeling their effects. In Europe, LCC growth is rampant and cutting into yield substantially. In Latin America several names have already disappeared though LCCs were only an emerging part of their problems.

To be sure Americas older companies have many ills besides the explosive growth of the new guys on the block but we are certainly not alone. To think they are is a narrowed view approach.
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:33 am

If Kunstler is "on a crusade against the culture of rampant, unsustainable oil consumption," then he should bypass putting misinformation on the internet, and should instead point out that logistical difficulties aside--that *could* be worked out if profitable, jet engines would just as love to drink hydrogen in lieu of kerosene, and problem solved. Hydrogen, we've plenty of sitting around washing up onto shores world over.  Smile

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:24 am

You know what a real eyesore is? Dig out your sunglasses and take a look at James Howard Kunstler's homepage by following the "home"-link. Laugh out loud

Edit: Or just click here: http://www.kunstler.com/index.html but consider yourself warned!
At least eight different font colours, at least four different and arbitrarely used font sizes, different colours for links to other pages, no idea on layout and how to cluster information, a broken link to a picture (or maybe a counter) at the bottom of the page ...



[Edited 2005-02-10 22:26:18]

[Edited 2005-02-10 22:35:45]
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:30 am

Employees at the European Airbus factory celebrate while unveiling the new A380 super-jumbo jetliner. This illustrates how poorly our whole society understands the obvious trends staring them in the face -- from the lumpen-workers on the factory floor to the burnished CEOs in the executive suites.

If there are these trends, then they affect any business anywhere.


As the world descends down the flight path of oil depletion, aviation will become far less of a mass consumer activity than it has been in recent decades.

Bull. There will be ways to replace oil in some decades. Transportation of man will never stop.


Soon, in fact, flying will once again become the preserve of the ultra-wealthy elite. The 'legacy' airlines are within a few years of going out of business.

Strange, when legacy carriers are gone, will all the elite fly on Southwest and jetBlue? Bull.


The last thing the world needs now are mega-gigantic airplanes designed for a hyper-mass market.

Then any large plane would be affected…what a nonsense.


That guy should try Viagra, probably it helps…  Wink/being sarcastic



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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:31 am

I don't know anything about this Kunstler guy, but he does make a valid point if you have a look at his "Eyesores" in the various months. Not sure if the A380 is an eyesore, but it certainly isn't the most beautiful thing to grace the skies either.
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:40 am

Ugh... NoUFO - even your modified warning isn't anywhere near enough... it's been a few minutes now, and my eyes still hurt!!!  Big grin

Nonetheless - what the ... (insert expletive of choice) does this guy think that companies like Airbus, Boeing, BBD, Embraer, RR, PW and GE do all day long? Sit in front of statistics showing how long oil will last to see how long they've got left before their game's up?

Does he really think that no-one out there has ever taken a look at alternative fuels, and that no-one is currently developing anything in that direction?

Ridiculous.

Absolutely ridiculous.

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:45 am

My vote for eyesore of the month goes to www.kunstler.com! Man, whatta pile of bull crap. Big grin

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:03 am

NoUFO

Umm....have to agree with you 100% I have never heard of this guy but a few times and his website looks like something he put together over night to post his kids refrigerator crayon drawings on!

I'm still  Crying  Crying  Crying from how ugly and sloppy it looks!  Crying  Crying  Crying

Either way, ok so what if he has a point. The A380 is still going to be really cool to see fly and for spotters to photograph. He knows nothing what he talks of.

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:13 am

He has a point, because the A380 isn't exactly the most elegant plane around and the buildings he introduces are indeed quite ugly.
But I think he contradicts himself when he (rightfully) points to the fact that fuel will become rare over the next decades and at the same time pretends that smaller aircraft with a higher fuel consumption per seat are the solution.

With an internationalized economy and an increasing number of tourists even after 9/11 and SARS, we need both - higher frequencies and bigger planes.
Neither Airbus nor Boeing denies that. They only weight each of the aspects differently.
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:18 am

Soon, in fact, flying will once again become the preserve of the ultra-wealthy elite. The 'legacy' airlines are within a few years of going out of business. The last thing the world needs now are mega-gigantic airplanes designed for a hyper-mass market.


This guy really doesn't have a clue does he?
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:46 am

Since the A380 lowers CASM by 20%, his whole point is mute.

I believe you mean to say "his whole point is moot."  Big grin
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:54 am

From article: >>"This illustrates how poorly our whole society understands the obvious trends staring them in the face -- "<<

There are many market trends even within commercial aviation, Business 101 in any damn college will tell you that.

>>"As the world descends down the flight path of oil depletion, aviation will become far less of a mass consumer activity than it has been in recent decades."<<

Slife stops when there is no oil? By the sound of it this guys expects that to happen quite soon.

>>"Soon, in fact, flying will once again become the preserve of the ultra-wealthy elite"<<

There are only two choices: beat the MF silly or ROTFLAMO!

>>"The 'legacy' airlines are within a few years of going out of business."<<

This statement and the one before it prove he's either never been on a plane or never been outside the USA.

>>"The last thing the world needs now are mega-gigantic airplanes designed for a hyper-mass market. "<<

I don't think this guys has a clue as to what the world really needs. I could claim, though incorrectly, that he has been all around the greater USA and by that perspective, maybe this country could not make better use of this plane, circa 2005**. It continues to facinate me as to how some of my fellow Americans seem to confuse the US and the world's needs. Psychologically, from a mental perspective, the US is their world. Regardless, A380 isn't that much bigger than 744, in fact i think it's impact will be negligible in the short term. It won't fly full in the first few years on certain routes, certain destinations, certain times, etc. I think however it' role will be more predominate in the future WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR!  Pissed


** Perhaps 20 years from now, the USA will require maybe a few A380's on some route to some destination at some time within it's borders.
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:25 am

He's got architecture down pat, even if he's senselessly bashing the A380.



Behold the model for Frank Gehry's Museum of Tolerance now under construction in Jeruselum. Financed by Americans, the museum makes an interesting case in its sheer physical form: the Post-modern must not just be tolerated, it has to be suffered. The citizens of Jeruselum will now have to suffer a building that looks like a pile of floor sweepings from a machine shop.



Behold the new $30 million Ontario College of Art & Design classroom and studio building by British architect Will Alsop -- a totemized retro-futuroid coffee table joined umbilically to its Soviet-style predecessor below. The message, apparently: art and design are nothing but fun fun fun. Nothing to get serious about. A playful spirit of induced hazard will keep students wondering when the checkered box might wobble free of its cute swizzle-stick legs and come crashing down on their heads. This exercise in hyper-entropic avant garde faggotry is so cutting edge that it is already out of date. The only question: which of the two conjoined buildings is more cruelly ridiculous?
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:32 am

From what I gather this guy knows architecture but also has deep resentment of American iconology (to which cars can be considered a large component if you look at his examples of parking lots). To be clear - he has cited several examples for nothing other than the giant US flag hanging over them - the Denny's entry comes to mind. Most importantly he's anti-technology and certainly anti mass-consumerism. Actually, he should live in an magnificent Ivory tower in the middle of a green pasture - he might seem happier there, so long as there's no power or cars or people nearby. Would a concept of an aircraft carrying 500-800 pleabs not be feared if you shared those sentiments?

Problem is, his expertise is architecture. He probably doesn't know anything more about the A380 and its realities than whatever he assumes from the media (Don't know why someone that paranoid would trust the media, but moving on - Bigger must mean more fuel consumption, e.g. Hummer and Ford Expedition). Certainly he doesn't live and brief the technical jargon a.netters do. Dude needs to stick with architecture which I admittedly haven't got a clue about other than knowing that horrid cow-like block with the umbilical cord is frighteningly ugly. Of course on that note, maybe he sees *the A380* for what it's worth, architecturally that is.  Wink/being sarcastic

*Edited to clarify A380 in the last sentence*

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:34 am

I like this one, from his July '04 eyesore:



>>"Is that welcoming or what? Just take a seat under a 300-ton slab of concrete and steel and relax. . . like a pill bug under a hiking boot."<<

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:12 am

What a great site. Funny, funny, funny!
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:40 am

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I must admit, the 787 has it in the looks department hands down. But calling the skywhale an eyesore is a little severe. You want FUGLY? follow these links regarding my ideas of eyesores.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Infiniti+FX-45&fr=FP-tab-img-t&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&vm=r

http://www.michaeljackson.com/

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:48 am

I love the A380 (I'm neutral by the way...there are planes by both A & B that I love and hate), but I agree with the editorial on this website to some degree.

#1) The A380 and Airbus will not deplete the world of oil..Boeing has a part in that too, along with every other industry in the world. I bet Kunstler drives an awfully nice and expensive car, probably with a V8 or high output V6 under the hood.

#2) Yes. The world's oil supply is being depleted. I guess he should do his part and park that fancy car of his! However, Boeing and Airbus are in fact looking at ways of making their aircraft more fuel efficient (market demand), along with the engine manufacturers.

#3) Legacy Airlines will be here for a long time to come (at least most of them), as air travel becomes less expensive (at least in our lifetime) the greater the markets for air travel will grow.

Hey, how come I've never seen Kunstler's mother on that website!!!  Laugh out loud
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:11 pm

Well. Once you start looking back at the previous months' pictures, it won't take you long to realize that the person who maintains this eyesore of the month site has issues with technology and society as a whole. Next month: the 787.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:14 pm

Ok, I read just one of his articles (all the negativity I need today) and decided that this guy has serious issues, he's mad at everything! He needs to take a "chill pill" or get a girlfriend or something.  Nuts
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:26 pm

Since we all have opinions.... mine is, the A380 is not an eyesore... but isn't the most stylish looking jet around. It's big.. but adjectives like 'sleek, graceful, regal, majestic simply elude it. Big, bulky, clunky, gargantuan... all fit quite well. All those ridiculous 'jumbo airliner' drawings you've seen in newspaper editorials for many years has finally come to life.. and the A380 fits it like a shoe.. a boot. Maybe it has to grow on me... I dunno. The 787 is futuristic.. but that mug on the 787 will have to grow on me too!

Someone once said airlines don't buy planes on looks, but by performance. Well I argue appearances are to be considered to some degree. And airplane is a ship of the air from which it history lies with ships of the seas. The A380 will unquestionably be a great frieghter, like a flying super tanker. Looks do matter or Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines, Princess Cruises and Carnival Cruise Lines would be stacking people on converted super tankers! The A380 does look like a cargo ship masquerading as a passenger liner... not the other way around.

If Boeings' 747Adv is as big or close to it (and is built) excels in performance and is MUCH easier on the eyes than the A380... the A380 may very well be a limited species. And go down sadly, as the BIG Experiment.

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:39 pm

BN747,

Beauty is in the beholder. The current 747 can be said to look like a tanker also, my friend. All depends on your perspective.

Besides, everyone that sees a shipping tanker, sees it as that. Not the case with aircraft. They're all beautiful. The rest lies with personal taste and perspective.

My $0.02 CAD

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:48 pm

The more I look at the A380 the more I like it. I'm an avid Boeing lover but the idea of seeing an A380 heavily laden taking off right over you will be a real treat. Just wish I would know who will fly it first and where can I get a ticket.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:50 pm

I'm with ya, Dc863!! Wouldn't mind to experience the jetblast from an A380 at SXM on the beach either!!!  Nuts

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:15 pm

Dc863 - that one's easy: Singapore Airlines will fly it first - and regarding tickets... try either their website, their callcenter, any web-based travel agency or, of course, a regular travel agency.

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:43 pm

POR2GAL

Very true in what you say....

Some carriers thought the DeHavilland Comet was beautiful... but the 707/DC-8 ate it alive.

Some carriers thought the Convair 880 was beautiful... but the 707/DC-8 cleaned it's clock.

Some carriers thought the Convair 990 was beautiful... but the 707/DC-8 eclipsed it.

Now the 707 and the DC-8 had a beauty contest... and the DC-8 lost. The DC-8 as much I loved them just doesn't have that 'sleek jetliner' appeal that the 707 had. The DC-8 was wider, not as cramped as the 707. And it was probably a better performer. Yet, the 707 was the jetliner of choice by most carriers.. if Boeing had not been so arrogant... they could have buried the DC-8! But none the less, with all it's short comings, the 707 outsold the DC-8 by a mile. It's sleek look and fine lines gave it the 'most modern of appearance' as aviation crossed over from the piston age (of really ugly airplanes -- like ugly cars of the same age). But many people will say the same as you.. about beauty and the eye of the beholder! But the 707 won. But as a freighter... the DC-8 fit the cargo market like a glove!

Some carriers thought the Caravelle was beautiful... but the 737/DC-9 ate it's lunch.

Someone thought the VFW-614 was a masterpiece ....it made it as far as being a collectors item.

They all flew, and most had catastrophic accidents as the 707 and DC-8 did... but they never really firmly established themselves in the aviation game. Airbus is in the game. But all of it's chips are now on horse... the A380. The A380 has sold decent numbers for what it is.. but Airbus has it's eyes on numbers near 500 or 1000... if a economical and more attractive alternative appears... the A380 becomes a goose. It's as simple as that. Having said that... if Boeing elects not to offer an alternative.. or come up with and even 'unattractive' model... they can 'can it' too.. Airbus will own the large jet market place. The line between attarctive and unattractive does have a threshold. And as history shows.. it has been crossed before...


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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:05 pm

Anyway,
I'm glad most of the A.net community agrees with me!  Smile

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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:52 pm

Gotta admit it is still one ugly airplane, even with all the paint.
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:42 am

He obviously doesn't know anything about the aircraft itself. He mentions oil depletion and hasn't realized that the A380 is extremely fuel efficient, especially for its size. The A380 has the same, if not better, fuel effieciency as the 747* which has been in existance for decades.


(* I'm not positive about the fuel efficiency facts but I'm pretty sure it's close....if someone can verify that'd be great)
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:18 am

James Howard Kunstler is a genius with architecture and urban planning. I read his book "The Geography of Nowhere," and he hooked me into urban planning, and because of that book I majored in urban planning in college.

His dislike of rampant oil consumption is tied into his lamentations about the unsustainable auto-dependent suburban environment swallowing up the American landscape.

However, I agree with most of you: he should stick with what he knows (architecture and planning). Also, his web site does suck.
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:25 am

He does not get that a fully loaded 767-300 only uses an average of 60 gallons of fuel per passenger to cross the Atlantic from the US to London. You can't do that even in an average passenger car...even if there was such a bridge to make it possible. At 30 miles per gallon is still takes about 100 gallons to do that.

The A-380 is supposed to be even far more efficient than that.
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:53 am

Here is a copy of the email I sent him. It is long winded but I think I stated the case for the A380 in a well thought out answer. No I'm not a blind Airbus supporter but I HAD TO comment on his uninformed statement:

Sir,

Your argument against the A380 is inherently flawed. According to Airbus the cost per passenger to operate the aircraft will be approximately 20% lower than its closest competitor the 747-400. The other environmental advantage is that the actual perishables (i.e. limited lifetime parts) that are used in maintenance of one aircraft are lower than spreading more copies of the part amongst several smaller aircraft. As fossil fuels are depleted turbines can easily be modified to use bio-diesel with minor range penalties. As far as “legacy carriers” being destroyed by low cost carriers all over the world you are sadly mistaken. The profitable low cost carriers around the world specialize in niche markets such as ultra short hall such as Southwest here in the U.S. or on longer hall routes that were the duopolies of the flag carriers such as London-New York. Virgin Atlantic is an obvious example of this. Virgin has a relatively large order for the A380! Many a market share will be fought over by the surviving airlines that outlive the bankrupt carriers. This can be witnessed by Southwest, jetBlue amongst others circling and actively going after market share of US Airways which is just about the sickest airline here in the U.S.

Germany and other EU countries are trying to pass “pollution taxes” on short hall carriers that compete against the train lines that are inherently less destructive to environment. One way that the airline would get around the pollution penalty would be to fly larger aircraft as the taxes are currently thought to be based pollution per passenger which is lower with larger aircraft. Would you rather have airports grow larger and larger and pave over more land to handle more aircraft movements or have comparatively minor changes to taxi ways and boarding areas? Markets such as Tokyo, London, Frankfurt, Paris, Chicago and Los Angeles are at capacity. Chicago, Tokyo and London are investigating new airports. Would you have islands leveled or dredged out of the ocean to get more capacity as was done in Osaka and Hong Kong?

As far as the “lumpen-workers” Airbus is a shining example of international co-operation and the destruction of nationalism based competition on the European continent. The Airbus Experiment has created a huge amount of well paying technical jobs that has spread wealth across of what was once a fractured competitive market based on out moded paradigms of nation states in Europe.

I am (by United States standards) a hard core Socialist and tree hugging environmentalist. I am also a realist. Many airline analysts and Airbus, Boeing, Embraer et al are all forecasting double digit growth. Obviously the manufacturers are going to be overly optimistic but it isn’t rocket science to see the trends of air travel growth. The 747 democratized air travel by lowering the cost of travel for the masses. I’m a happy example of that as I live in Chicago and my mother’s side of the family live outside of Frankfurt Germany and I visit at least once every year or so.

The modifications needed to make the industry less environmentally destructive and fuel efficient are constantly being worked on by the manufacturers as fuel efficiency equals profitability for the airline customer whom Boeing and Airbus are at each other’s throats to prove savings of fractions per flight.

Finally I find your tone arrogant and elitist. I do believe new ideas come from the cultural elite of any society. We need thinkers and visionaries. You have not proven that you are either but just a reactionary without all the facts to back up your diatribes.

On a more light hearted aside the A380 isn’t exactly pretty but remember it was designed to move as many passengers as efficiently as possible!

Yours,

Andrew Mondt
 
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RE: A380 On "Eyesore Of The Month" Website

Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:36 am

If you get a response from him, I'd like to see it.
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