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Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:32 am

Just heard from a friend that we announced DFW yesterday. Nothing yet in a press release but if you look at alaskaair.com and go the the route map...DFW is now a city Alaska serves. I'm sure more info is to come. Exciting news!
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:49 am

Is it through a codeshare with American, or will Alaska have their own metal in DFW?
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:52 am

Alaska's own metal..Alaska doesn't post codeshare cities on its route map on the web
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:53 am

Interesting. It's in SABRE....AS 810 starts 20Jul, leaving SEA at 2330 arriving DFW 0520+1, AS811 starts 21Jul leaving DFW 0800 arriving SEA 1000. Equipment is 737-400. Also starting 21Jul, AS808 departs SEA 1118 arrives DFW 1708, return AS809 leaves DFW 1810 (one minute past codeshare flight AS/AA 1567) and arrives 2010. Also a 737-400.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:59 am

Saw this one coming when DL bailed and AS/DL stated partnering

AS will do very well on this route..... I am glad they jumped in there
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:15 am

I think AS is very intelligent and savvy when it comes to their route structure. DFW will be great for AS. To all of you at AS, best of luck on the new route - what a great airline AS is!!!! (Even when you don't give me food on First.... those of you involved in my post a few days ago can smile at this  Smile ) Keep up the great work AS!!!!
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:20 am

A red eye from SEA to DFW - Gosh that stinks!

 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:24 am

Good to see AA getting competition on some routes. Hopefully there are more routes to come from other carriers.

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:27 am

Great news --

I know AS served DFW before. Any idea when they left?
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:28 am

They will probably move into gates 10 or 11 to be by Delta.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:48 am

Ssides,

AS only *kind of* served DFW...back in the late '70s and all through the '80s they participated in an interchange that flew IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, using AS metal, first with Braniff then with AA. It was discontinued in the middle 90's.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:03 am

AS only *kind of* served DFW...back in the late '70s and all through the '80s they participated in an interchange that flew IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI, using AS metal

I was on a couple flights out of DFW to SEA (Sunday evenings the best I recall) during that time that was AA flight number and AS metal. It really confused a many a passenger walking up to the gate and seeing the Eskimo.
I was told many things for the reason for AS metal including that AA did some MX for AS and the flight was to return the plane to AS system. I never did really get a straight answer why that arrangement was made.

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:12 am

interesting, I guess that AS doesnt have the same agreement with AA as they do NW.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:34 am

It had nothing to do with AA providing maintenance to AS.

The SEA-DFW-IAH portion (of FAI-ANC-SEA-DFW-IAH) was operated by AA crews using AS metal.

AA returned the favor by scheduling an aircraft DCA-ORD-SEA-ANC-FAI with AS crews operating the SEA-ANC-FAI legs.

This gave AS access to "Oil City" Houston and the nations' capital, DCA. It also gave AA access to Alaska.

The route was discontinued when AS retired the 727-200. Flight deck differences prevented the interchange continuing with the MD-80.


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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:49 am

Ehh, it's not an international carrier, nor is it someone to fill 20 empty gates, but it is something new. I think this a real win-win route for both airlines. Dallas not only has high fares (I wouldn't be fooled into thinking that AS will drop fares significantly in the market), decent local traffic, but also offers good codeshare opportunities throughout the South for AS--especially in the burgeoning Southeastern markets.

A red eye from SEA to DFW - Gosh that stinks!

DFW is the king of crappy redeyes. SEA-DFW isn't as bad as LAS-DFW (average length of 2:30) or So Cal-DFW.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:02 am

Burnsie - What agreement are you referring to?

Other than the addition of D/FW to the map, it's interesting that there's been no announcement on this. It's not on either the AS public or employee web sites. I don't necessarily doubt its happening, based on the information above, I'm just curious why they haven't announced anything? I wonder if AA is going to code share on this flight, like the do on some of the other shared destinations. Based on the fact that they're running a red-eye, which will make ideal connections to the morning departures to the Southeast, I'm guessing yes.

Good luck AS - great to see you expanding in this day and age of cutbacks.

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:21 am

I am glad to see this. Fares hopefully will be reasonable on the route with some competition.

I flew on the DFW-SEA route right around 1990 on an AA flight with AS metal. I found it a really odd thing to see that little white plane (727) at the gate compared to all silver AA planes (I was pretty young at the time). It was my first trip on AS metal and it was really odd how we parked at D concourse in SEA rather then C at the time.

It is great to see AS birds back in DFW. The red-eye flight would be the only way that AS could start the route since they don't have a lot of flexibility as they get extremely high usage out of the fleet. Recent expansions have involved using the fleet more efficiently and the first redeye is a great example of this.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:10 am

Here is the post from the Employee website:

http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2005/02/11_dallas.asp

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:15 am

Note that all flights will have leather seats. Also, they will have IFE (digi player) onboard.

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:18 am

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:46 am

I could imagine them making many more new flights from OAK PDX LAX/LGB ANC SEA and SAN to other cities in Texas besides DFW, namely IAH and SAT. AS has had a long codeshare history with Continental and Delta, so maybe somewhere down the line they'll take the next step & become official SkyTeam members.

Hell, I've already created AI routes for AS to IAH for FltSim2004! :-p

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:48 am

DL only just started its code share relationship with AS. There has never been a codeshare relationship between AS and DL before. Maybe you were thinking about NW.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:06 pm

Mel...little insights for you. First,do not expect AS to fly from any of those cities you mention to DFW/IAH/SAT. Not going to happen. Second, we will not become part of SkyTeam any time soon, if ever. Alaska is perfectly happy in the position we are in now. Third, as Widget said we just started codesharing a month or two ago with DL. Its not a long term relationship yet. NW is are longest standing partner.

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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:11 pm

Yes... I think it's pretty cool news that Alaska is doing the DFW route. I agree with those who think it's a fine airline, and pretty savvy when it comes to marketing. They have some great transcon non-stops, such as SEA to MIA, which I flew on recently. I had not been a real fan of "red-eye" flights, but was surprised that it really was all right; arrived in MIA in the morning, and "saved" an overnight hotel expense as well. The "overnight" part of it was a BREEZE compared to the connection hassle somewhere in the middle of the country. I live in the US Northwest and think that Alaska-Horizon have their act pretty well together.... yeah !
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:20 pm

The red-eye flight would be the only way that AS could start the route since they don't have a lot of flexibility as they get extremely high usage out of the fleet.

I keep reading "red-eye", "red-eye", as if it's the only service they're starting. As pointed out in reply #3, there are two new flights SEA-DFW to start. One will be a daytime flight that's the continuation of AS 808 from ANC, and the standalone flight, AS 810, will be the red-eye.
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burnsie28
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:26 pm

Burnsie - What agreement are you referring to?

NW and AS have a gentlemens agreement, AS cant fly any NW route and NW cant fly and AS route, NW gave up BOS-SEA for AS etc.

Part of their long standing relationship.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:51 pm

Actually, looking at the timing I wonder if this won't be a cargo heavy flight....bringing fresh fish to the metroplex everyday maybe?
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:29 pm

I remember the AA/AS Pipeline flights. I think I flew that run in early January 1989. I flew an AA DC-10 from EWR-DFW then an AS 727-200 from DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI. Like was mentioned above, it was an AA crew to SEA then AS crew north from there. I was really excited about that trip because it was my first time flying on both AA and AS. Inflight service on AS was stellar. Huge meals in coach and the flight attendants offered complementary wine during the meal service. The flight arrived into FAI around 4pm. Made it back to school in time for the hockey game between UAF and some university from the lower 48  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

During the late 80's and early 90's, I often spotted the AA 727-200 in FAI.
It flew out around 11:30pm as the redeye to ANC-SEA and points east.
That also reminds me of when I flew up to Alaska the first time to go to the University. In September 1988, I flew up on an United Airlines 767 (DEN-ANC-FAI). We flew right over Denali (Mt McKinley) on the final leg into Fairbanks.. also saw the Yellowstone N.P. fires on that trip. United flew 767's into FAI until mid-September 1988 then downgraded to 727's. By the early 90's they upgraded to 757's as did Delta. 1988 ended the widebody era into FAI until Lufthansa, Air France and Cargolux started refueling their 747 cargo's between Europe and Asia. Don't remember what year that was but it was after the Russians opened up their air space for overflights.

But I digress. I think AS will do well in the Dallas market. I was wondering when they were going to add a new mainline city to the network.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:37 pm

I believe, please correct me, that AS had a similar arrangement into ORD with AA. I have on many occasions - long ago - seen AS 727s on the ground at ORD.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:43 pm

ANCFlyer... yes they did. they may have switch to AS equipment at some point but they flew AA 727's on the WAS-ORD-SEA-ANC-FAI run and AA 727's on IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI run. AS crews flew from SEA to Alaska and AA was responsible for the legs to Texas and the midwest/east coast.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:48 pm

I'm surprised that Josh has yet to comment on MSY being beat out by DFW once again. Oh well....the thread is still going so there's still hope.

Still waiting (patiently yet no longer optomistically) on the elusive SEA-MSY service. It looks like it will remain elusive for the near future.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:25 pm

The announcement includes DFW-SEA, but also DFW-ANC. Both on AS metal.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:33 pm

Point of information--when AA/AS had the interchange agreement to Houston the service was to Hobby Airport. I'm not sure if they also had the service at IAH; but I distinctly remember seeing the AS 727 at Hobby everytime I went out there.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:50 pm


AA767400 -

The ANC service is a continuation of DFW-SEA. There is no DFW-ANC direct.
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:00 am

Actually that would be DFW-SEA Non-Stop, and DFW-ANC Direct (Same Aircraft Service).
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:44 am

Thank you Ryan,

I was about to clear up the (Direct) and (Non-Stop) terminology but you beat me to it.

Later,

Aaron
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:52 am

Thanks for the clear up guys.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:14 am

Way to go AS Big grin I remember working for both National and AA in SEA the DFW flights were always full. With the ZED fares AAG employees get out of AA this will save us quite a bit, as now we can fly to DFW on our carrier and them to were ever from DFW.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:38 am

So, how will AA react to the recent announcement by AS to fly the SEA-DFW route?
 
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:00 pm

How will AA react? Probably the same reaction it had when AS started SEA-ORD last year, which was to do nothing. It's to AAs advantage to have a partner on that route than a real competitor, like AirTran. Fares will come down, but not dramatically to the point where both airlines lose money.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:14 pm

I don't think that AA will have too much of a problem with the new competition. They aren't completely going after the same passengers. For AA, they feed many passengers from non AS destinations through ORD and DFW. AS on the other hand is feeding many Alaskan passengers through SEA. Neither of these compete, but rather give more options to more people.

The only competition will be on the O/D side. I am sure there is decent O/D between the cities, but people in DFW will probably use AA and people from SEA will probably use AS because of brand loyalty. AA is only losing the small amount of its frequent flyers based in SEA that fly to DFW regularly, which isn't a huge chunk since AA doesn't have the largest presence in SEA anyway. UA has a bigger presence from the SEA since it serves east and west, and AS has loyal flyers since it is the hometown airline in SEA. AA will fortunately be able to pick up some passengers on DFW onwards flights that may have gone with NW or others, so that makes up for the loss. AA is losing, but this isn't something that they will need to get "predatory" about and try to drive AS off the route, but then again, anything is possible.
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RE: Alaska Announces Service To DFW

Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:17 pm

I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's AS coming into DFW. The flight almost always started it's return leg between 11am-12pm. It's great news to hear they are coming back again.


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