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AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:12 am

AI is re-starting flights to BHX and YYZ in MAY 05.

http://www.airindia.com/

The flight numbers and times are:

AI187

DEL 1015
ATQ 1110 1225
BHX 1715 1845
YYZ 2115

AI188
YYZ 2330
BHX 1110+1 1230+1
ATQ 0125+2 0240+2
DEL 0335+2

AI should make a lot of money out of BHX.

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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:14 am

wonderful!! nothing can be better. Any clue about the fares!! Are they using the 2nd and 3rd B777.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:24 am

Airish,
couldn't find the exact link..
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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:42 am

Try searching for flights in May after the 15th for DEL to ATQ and ATQ DEL you should find those legs listed.

For the rest it seems that BHX and YYZ have not been added to the schedules as places so go on

http://www.airindia.co.in/yatrik/yatrik.jsp

Then search for flights in May after the 15th for DEL to ATQ and ATQ DEL and click on the flight numbers the rest of the timings should be listed.

The days of operation are Wednesday, Friday and Sunday from DEL and YYZ

Hope this helps

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:46 am

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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:09 am

Interesting... they're going head to head with Air Slovakia on the BHX-ATQ leg.
 
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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:11 am

Isn't Amritsar International Airport basically a glorified shed?
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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:39 am

being a DEL guy, I'd have preferred it to be ATQ-DEL-BHX-YYZ and visa versa. I presume most of the passengers will agree with me. If there isn't much price difference I'd go the AC way.
Moreover wasn't Air Slovakia being discussed in regards to MXP-ATQ route.
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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:57 am

Aseem,

there's no point of going eastwards and and then to BHX.
 
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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:06 am

there's no point of going eastwards and and then to BHX.
that I know, but the point is that most passenger will be boarding/disembarking at DEL and there is no point in wasting their time with one additional stop.
If I am not wrong then even Ahmedabad London flight goes to BOM first and then to LHR.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:23 am

I presume most of the passengers will agree with me.

I am not most. I think it is great AI added ATQ to the oversea network, realizing the number of ethnical Punjus in BHX and YYZ.. they will do a great job on that flight, and I applaud their decision

but the point is that most passenger will be boarding/disembarking at DEL and there is no point in wasting their time with one additional stop.

How do you know? Have you ever travelled a flight bound from Canada to India, seeing the number of People from Punjab?? Then, a family of 4++ would rather save a couple pf dollars and lakhs of Rupees and encounter a stop in ATQ than paying for a more expensive flights - it is a group of pax where price beats time as deciding factor.. I remember arriving at DEL from Europe as a kid, then the Maruti Minibuses, with the Nanis, Matajis, Chahajis, Cousins, Bhaias, and Didis, picking up the oversea pax for a 8 hrs + journey to Punjab, all the euphoria etc..

Being a 'Punjabi Delhi guy', I think the decision is great and far-sighted.. entering ethnic markets will help Air-India against their competition.. and why do you think LH, BA want to fly to every field, which calls itself an airport in Europe??

No offense, my friend, but I think you are very wrong in your analysis

If I am not wrong then even Ahmedabad London flight goes to BOM first and then to LHR.

You are wrong. teh 2/7 is routed BOM-AMD-LHR, and it is good they do that, since they are out oif competition and serve a strong ethnic market - that is twhat their strategy is supposed to be
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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:33 am

MrNiji

FYI!! I have traveled from Canada to Delhi both ways and am very much familiar with demographics of both the places.

just couple of points. Even if this flight is exclusively for Punjabi market, there is no statistical data to suggest that all will head towards Punjab. Quite a few will go to places in and around Delhi. Being the only flight to YYZ, AI should also think in terms of passengers belonging to rest of India.

The reason why LH, BA and SQ are starting exclusive flights to ATQ is because they already service other destinations in India.

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:49 am

OK, computer crashed, so streamlöined response:

Quite a few will go to places in and around Delhi

So, the flight is ending in DEL, eh? (guess, could be turnaround for DEL-FRA-LAX)

Being the only flight to YYZ, AI should also think in terms of passengers belonging to rest of India.

Oh, tell this the offices in LAX, ORD, NBO, DAR... or should that flight end in BOM, too.. ? It is the chance of Air-India to serve smaller destinations like ATQ, AMD etc. with MCLR - or should we leave it to BA and LH tb pioneers again and enter with a comp disadv? - why should they offer a flight to a place other than ATQ if YYZ is packed with Sadars and Mundians from Punjab? - and they are out of competition... it would not surprise me if they srtart a code-sharing with AC, too

The reason why LH, BA and SQ are starting exclusive flights to ATQ is because they already service other destinations in India.

Could you post a press-statement or sth similar about LH/BA entering ATQ? I must have missed this. I think it is good that India offers a flight with convenient routing for its diaspora - economies of scales are not everything in the world .


P.S.: AIrish, you have great research skills  Big grin

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:59 am

My apologies!!
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:00 am

Operating DEL-ATQ-BHX rather than ATQ-DEL-BHX allows the crew to operate through with Delhi and Birmingham layovers and avoids having to open Amritsar as a layover station. The other option considered was a triangle operation with BHX-ATQ-DEL-BHX (similar to the JED-LKO-DEL-JED triangles), but the scheduling was not compatible.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:03 am

Slightly off topic, but i just noticed the the New Zealand crewing agency that supplies Air India with the much needed instructors on the 777s, now is looking for A340 instructors also to be based in India. What is Air India up to?
 
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:07 am

Bonjour Yawar
seems to be a nice lead. Try getting some tangible info.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:08 am

Are they using the 2nd and 3rd B777

The 777 utility is capped out with the 3 planes dedicated to 5/7 AI 131, 3/7 AI 137 and 3/7 AI 187 respectively - rotating through Delhi with 4 days of weekly scheduled maintenance between them. In the case of an AOG situation, AI 131/137 can be covered by a 744 and that 777s will slide back into a 2-aircraft rotation. In the winter schedule, I understand that preliminary plans call for AI 131 to transition back to a 744 and the 3rd 777 will be reallocated to other flying. Still more than a month of tweaking before that will be finalised though.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:11 am

i just noticed the the New Zealand crewing agency that supplies Air India with the much needed instructors on the 777s, now is looking for A340 instructors also to be based in India

Rishworth may have other clients in India too!  Big grin
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:11 am

My apologies!!


Why? No need to apologize- discussions on a.net are often a little harsh, and you need hard flesh (try it out in non-av, you will be able to act as a tiger tehn) -  Big grin sorry from my side if I offended you, just disagreed - I know I tehd to sound aggressive sometine, but am really very nice  Big grin - Apology fdrom my side, shouldn't happen again (dun wanna be banned again)

now is looking for A340 instructors also to be based in India. What is Air India up to?

could that be for 9W and S2?  Confused
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:13 pm

Sean I noticed you made no mention of YYZ in your posts... is this still not confirmed?

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:01 pm

now is looking for A340 instructors also to be based in India.


I wonder if its for AI.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:14 pm

From the looks of it, I think its for Jet Airways as according to the Indian papers they are v close at sealing the deal to lease 3 SAA A 340s.
 
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RE: AI To Re-start Flights To BHX And YYZ

Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:56 pm

Flights are now loaded in to sabre and bookable, is the reason the flight goes BHX-ATQ-DEL something to do with the runway length at BHX is DEL on a 777 just a little to far out of Brum?
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:08 pm

Flights are now loaded in to sabre and bookable, is the reason the flight goes BHX-ATQ-DEL


So does the flight terminate in YYZ?
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:45 pm

Sorry Yes it terminates in YYZ.

7AI 187 F2 A2 J4 C4 D2 W4 Y4 B4 H4*DELYYZ 1015 2115 777 M/ 2
K4 L4 M4 V4 G4

7AI 188 F2 A2 J4 C4 D2 W4 Y4 B4 H4*YYZDEL 2330 0335‡2 777 M/ 2
K4 L4 M4 V4 G4

7AI 187 F2 A2 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 H4*BHXYYZ 1845 2115 777 M/ 0
K4 L4 M4 V4 G4

7AI 188 F2 A2 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y4 B4 H4*YYZBHX 2330 1110‡1 777 M/ 0
K4 L4 M4 V4 G4

Looks like they have traffic rights ex BHX-YYZ-BHX!


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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:20 pm

Thx, EK-UK!

Looks like they have traffic rights ex BHX-YYZ-BHX!

Yups, the new bilat between UK/India is very liberal, and afaik Canada does not really have the choice of allowing/denying 5th freedoms!
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:46 pm

afaik Canada does not really have the choice of allowing/denying 5th freedoms

They absolutely do (as does every soveriegn state), but considering that Air Canada for years milked both the UK-India and India-Singapore 5th freedom markets, they really don't have much ground for complaint.

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:10 pm

More flights to UK, US on runway
BANGALORE: The party in the skies may just be starting. Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel told The Economic Times that the seat capacity to the UK is likely to be expanded this summer, in the second round of bilateral talks, from the recently-enhanced 40 flights a week to a larger number.

The open skies deal with the US will also be firmed up in the coming weeks to enable carriers from both sides to benefit this summer.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1018738.cms

guys!! things are not ending here itself. We expect to see some more action coming summers.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:13 am

guys!! things are not ending here itself. We expect to see some more action coming summers.

yeah, the question is from whom.. maybe from the leasing departments of AI and IC, lookimg for 5th hand A310 and A300 to keep up with the market power, while foreign airlines and private Indian airlines can react in accordance to demand after some time.. and action of peoples seeing aircraft if IC in BHX and MAN, being completely confused about the existence of another Indian career...
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:22 am

BUMS! Iwas hoping that we would get the next AI service into Manchester.
I am surprised though! PIA must be making a mint.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:06 am

Does ATQ have the facilities to handle the pax coming out of a 747 which maybe the aircraft used on some of the flights as in the case of unavailability of the 777.

Excellent news for the Panjus
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:43 am

Does ATQ have the facilities to handle the pax coming out of a 747 which maybe the aircraft used on some of the flights as in the case of unavailability of the 777.

Are you sure they won't use a rotten 310 instead?? Probably depends on the particular load
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:01 am

ATQ have the facilities to handle the pax coming out of a 747 which maybe the aircraft used on some of the flights as in the case of unavailability of the 777

Not likely. 187 would be the last of the 3 777 rotations to be swapped to 747 because there will be no 747 crew downline at BHX/YYZ, while both LHR/FRA will be both 777/747 layover stations.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:12 am

Are you sure they won't use a rotten 310 instead??

IMHO, they should not start any new route or service with that aircraft, whose bussiness class is also not upto AI standards let alone world standards
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:41 am

afaik Canada does not really have the choice of allowing/denying 5th freedoms

They absolutely do (as does every soveriegn state), but considering that Air Canada for years milked both the UK-India and India-Singapore 5th freedom markets, they really don't have much ground for complaint.


Given that BHX is a relatively minor leisure market, Canada has little to complain about A-I entering the YYZ-BHX market, and little to lose. Im not sure that I would call AC's use of UK-India-SIN authority as "milking" but I know what you mean Sean. For whatever reason, AC did not stay in those markets. AC had much more to lose when A-I flew YYZ-LHR in years past than this planned YYZ-BHX and still did not complain then.

Ironically, 5th freedoms from Canada have been notoriously short-lived. BA, Air-India, PIA, EL AL, SIA have all added and pulled 5th's from YYZ in the past on flights to Europe.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:18 am

Hmmm... Looking at timings and routing, this is obviously going to be an O&D-oriented friends & family operation.

The 10h15 departure from Dilly won't make very many same-day connections possible. And the 21h15 arrival into Toronto will probably make connecting near impossible there as well.

Which makes me wonder what the point of a 3-class aircraft is, if that's what will operate this route. I just don't see the demand in First from revenue pax on this routing. Of course, freeloaders can rejoice!  Big grin

And oh yeah, it truly is incredible how AI almost never fail to deliver; trust them to turn a 15-hour flight into a 22-hour one!
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:19 am

And oh yeah, it truly is incredible how AI almost never fail to deliver; trust them to turn a 15-hour flight into a 22-hour one!

if i have to sit at one place that long, i rather take AC. Saves me one and half hour.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:24 am

Today I received an e-mail from my travel agent
"Air India launches direct flights to Amritsar" from C$1379.00. Travel Period "15May to 09June 2005" with a ticketing deadline of March 31, 2005.

So finally, I can take some pics of AI at YYZ. I hope it will be a 744.Now I don't see any 744's at Pearson, even BA have made their 1st daily flight a 777 and so did KLM. Maybe Koreans still fly the 744 but that's at 9.00pm.

Personally, I am not too happy with the routing, but anyways good for the Punjus.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:33 am

"Air India launches direct flights to Amritsar" from C$1379.00. Travel Period "15May to 09June 2005" with a ticketing deadline of March 31, 2005.

what does travel period between May 15 and June 09 mean? is it for this particular fare or what.

yes you're right KE is the only one with B744 at YYZ. Even CX brings its A340.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:37 am

what does travel period between May 15 and June 09 mean?is it for this particular fare or what.

I guess so.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:45 am

Will Canadian govt provide any special security for this flight as Canada still plays host to thousands of Khalistani Sikh militants. Let us not forget that one of the worst air disaster Air India Kanishka was fully planned and executed on Canadian soil and by Canadians. Before some proud Canadian jumps and says "Hey they were Sikhs, not Canadians", please note that even today Canadian govt routinely grants political asylum to these illegal immigrants, some of whom are most wanted hardcore criminals in India.

I wish AI luck, and also hope that there will be special security for this flight to protect from Canada based Khalistani militants.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:45 am

Jasepl, I totally agree with you and even raised this question in a previous post of mine last week concerning the demand for F class on certain AI flights.

Make no mistake about it, AI will get v good loads in J and Y class on its YYZ-INDIA bound flights but as far as F class goes, I really see no demand for it.

Also your point concerning connections avbl from YYZ to other points in CAN is very valid too as the 2115 arr into YYZ makes it virtually impossible to clear customs, claim baggage etc and catch a flight to YVR-YYC-Edmonton or YUL-YOW. But from the looks of it, AI seem to be aiming at purely the Toronto and Hamilton ethnic market of Indians and Punjabis rather than other points in Canada outside of Ontario state.

I asked these questions last time but nobody bothered answering so am repeating it.

Q1. How are the overall load factor's on AIs flights on the B 743Ms-744s-777s that have a F class cabin?

Q2. Also is it true that a number of ppl who do occupy AI first class seats are staff employees, their families and those who pay for J class and get an upgrade to F?
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:05 am

Will Canadian govt provide any special security for this flight as Canada still plays host to thousands of Khalistani Sikh militants.

I hope not! Why the hell should my tax dollars be used to pay for extra security for Sikh terrorists? Let the Indian government pay for it. Any additional security costs should be billed to the Indian government. It would be nice if Sikh immigrants would leave their little tribal conflicts at home when they come to Canada. If they can't, Canada should consider banning Sikh immigration or visits. I don't see Hindu's causing problems at all in Canada.

Let us not forget that one of the worst air disaster Air India Kanishka was fully planned and executed on Canadian soil and by Canadians.

Negative. They were not Canadians. That 1985 Air-India tragedy was seen thru-out Canada as an Indian event, not a Canadian event. All the victims were either Indian nationals or very recent Indian immigrants to Canada. Yes, the victims were innocent but the onus should be on ALL Indians (Sikh, Hindu and Muslim) to resolve the Silk terrorism problems.

Canada does not need Asian tribal conflicts on our shores. I'd sooner see Air-India banned from Canada than my tax dollars being used for added security for Air-India flights in Canada. Given that Amritsar is indeed the source of Sikh militance, then perhaps Canada should insist on Western levels of security at Amritsar for Canada-bound flights.




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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:13 am

yyz717

Indian govt. is not responsible for the security at Pearson. How the hell did a bomb get into the Aircraft? Shame on you.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:36 am

How the hell did a bomb get into the Aircraft?

By an Indian national, that's how. Whether of Sikh or Hindu background is irrelevant to 99% of Canadians.

Shame on you.

Shame on Indian immigrants for bringing their tribal conflicts to Canada. Sikh terrorism is an Indian creation -- it should be kept in India.

The BHX-YYZ flights by A-I will cater 100% exclusively to the Indian community in Canada so the 99% of Canadians who are not Indian should not have to foot the bill for any extra security at the YYZ end. Let the Indian government pay for any extra security above and beyond what is provided now. That's my point.




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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:38 am

Negative. They were not Canadians. That 1985 Air-India tragedy was seen thru-out Canada as an Indian event, not a Canadian event. All the victims were either Indian nationals or very recent Indian immigrants to Canada. Yes, the victims were innocent but the onus should be on ALL Indians (Sikh, Hindu and Muslim) to resolve the Silk terrorism problems.

who care which way "you" see. That act of crime was planned and executed from Canadian soil. It is entirely the responsibility of Canada to prevent such an act. Moreover investigation has reveled that CICS had full knowledge of it but still did not do anything.If you don't believe me then do some research on http://www.cbc.ca We have resolved the problem, but it you who are yet to get over it.

I hope not! Why the hell should my tax dollars be used to pay for extra security for Sikh terrorists? Let the Indian government pay for it. Any additional security costs should be billed to the Indian government. It would be nice if Sikh immigrants would leave their little tribal conflicts at home when they come to Canada.

you'd have spent far less tax dollars in preventing that crime compared to what you spent in one of the most expensive investigation in Canadian history. BTW!! Sikhs are not a "tribe" and there are no tribal problems in India. Americans have better knowledge of world then you.

Canada does not need Asian tribal conflicts on our shores. I'd sooner see Air-India banned from Canada than my tax dollars being used for added security for Air-India flights in Canada.

discontinue AC's flight first.

Given that Amritsar is indeed the source of Sikh militance, then perhaps Canada should insist on Western levels of security at Amritsar for Canada-bound flights.

what happened to western security in 1985.

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who care which way "you" see. That act of crime was planned and executed from Canadian soil.

99% of Canadians who are not Indians see it my way. It was executed from Canadian soil by Indian nationals. It was an Indian crime.

you'd have spent far less tax dollars in preventing that crime compared to what you spent in one of the most expensive investigation in Canadian history.

We'd have spent even less if Sikh immigrants would leave their internal conflicts at home. It was an Indian crime.

Perhaps Canada needs to review or restrict Sikh immigration or visitation (or A-I flights from Amritsar) if the Sikh community cannot contain its extremists.

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Perhaps Canada needs to review or restrict Sikh immigration or visitation (or A-I flights from Amritsar) if the Sikh community cannot contain its extremists.

i'd suggest Canadian govt come out in the open. Let the world know what you stand for. Right now all they know is there is something north of United States.

99% of Canadians who are not Indians see it my way. It was executed from Canadian soil by Indian nationals. It was an Indian crime.

speak that loud as well. Let the whole world know.

We'd have spent even less if Sikh immigrants would leave their internal conflicts at home. It was an Indian crime.

ask your dear Mulruny about the tacit support he gave toward division of India. don't tell that Canada was not involved.

you'll have a lot to read on this thread.
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I am talking about the security lapse that happened. How can you ignore that?

Easily! It's an Indian crime! Canada was not at war with anyone in 1985. NO other flights from Canada were being bombed! Hence, existing Cdn security then was adequate. If Canada admits Indian immigrants with internal conflicts, Canada should not have to then foot the bill for higher security. Let India pay for it.

You like to follow your usual racist style.

Translation. "When a white person criticises India, just call him a racist." Ya. Nice one buddy. The true sign of a losing argument is playing the race card.

It is not India's fault that YOU guys are harbouring Sikh miltants, You should deport them.

Oh yes it is India's fault! Sikhs are Indians! Their terrorism was formented in India! Terrorists do not have the word "terrorism" on their forehead. We can't arrest all Indians with Turbans! The true source and cause of Sikh terrorism lies within India. It's YOUR problem. Not Canada's.

ANYWAY, I look fwd to seeing A-I return to YYZ on whatever routing with whatever aircraft. But I protest loudly any addl security costs that I as a Cdn tax payer will have to cover for this flight.





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