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Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:31 am

Rekkof has updated their website. Regrettably there is still no timetable on when the production will begin or when they decide to pull the plug. There is an interesting quote though regarding the F130 project:

Continuous emphasize will be put on reduction of maintenance and production cost. Further product development are planned, like extended range or aircraft with more than 130 seats, as a natural extensions of the family.



As for the website. I find it looks more like a flight sim site. The old one was far more stylish and professional looking.


http://www.rekkof.nl/
edited to add the url

[Edited 2005-02-11 23:32:23]
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:00 am

I was just about to post it, when I saw this post... I'm a little out of contact because I'm in Sweden for work at the moment.

There's actually a timetable for the restart. It's like this:

2005:During this year activities are focused on the final selection of suppliers, finalization of the qualification plans, data preparation, training of new suppliers and restoration of the complete supply chain. The manufacture of new parts and tooling will start during 2005.

2006:At the start of 2006 manufacturing activities will increase to full scale. Assembly of the first large structural sections for the fuselage and the wing starts. During the year the new Rekkof facility will be built and equipped. Training and qualification of the Rekkof production staff will start at the end of this year.

2007:During the 2007 the delivery of the first large fuselage sections will signal the start of the final assembly line resulting in the delivery of the first aircraft: a Fokker 70.

I do think they need a better web-designer, because this page sucks! I will try to contact my sources in The Netherlands to find out their progress!

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:12 am

Eh... kinda liked the old site better.
 
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:23 am

I read in Flight Magazine (think it was last week's edition) that Rekkof will decide in April 2005 whether to pull the plug or not. They seem to have a firm order for 25 F70's from an Iranian customer. They are still negotiating with about 4 serious customers and Rekkof's final decision will depend on the outcome of these negotiations. The article added that, if negotiations were in a final stage, the decision whether to pull the plug or not could be postponed (until after April 2005). Lots of speculation!
I think it would be great to see new Fokkers/Rekkofs come alive...

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:30 am

I do hope they stay alive and get many orders !!!
The mentioning of a possible move towards a 130 seater would be quite a bold move and a direct attack against A&B ..
The only bad comment I read was from baggage handlers who are not to impressed with the Fokker 70 luggage compartment ( no containers ) !
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:48 am

Dream on...the day I see a Rekkof aircraft flying, it'll probably be avoiding wake turbulence from the pig in front.
 
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:36 am

Rekkof: It sounds like a scam to raise money. Panta Holdings BV is the parent of Rekkof Restart NV and Rekkof Aircraft NV as well as several other companies. Every so many months they are in the news, get an update on their web and then... nothing happens again. Why wouldn't KLM buy from them, instead of roaming the world for second hand F-70's?
Anyway, to start production of airplanes in The Netherlands, with all the regulations and interest groups, is simply too costly and unwise. Especially when labor costs and no regulations is available in Letland (EU-member) for less than 50%. Compare it with GM or Ford... Where would they start a new factory for car production?
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:47 am

The Rekkof website is very amateurish. It looks like a homework assignment done by a 14 year old. It hardly inspires confidence!

I hope their aeronautical engineers are better than their webpage designers.
 
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:56 am

Cool! The Fokker130! A shame it's too late to see MX flying it!

Here's a fake a made a long time ago! Hope you like it!

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00000174

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:12 am

Rekkof: It sounds like a scam to raise money.
Yes and you sound like somebody else. haha  Laugh out loud

Why wouldn't KLM buy from them, instead of roaming the world for second hand F-70's?
UUuuhh let me think........maybe because there are no second hand F70's on the market.

Every so many months they are in the news, get an update on their web and then... nothing happens again.
How do you know nothing happens ?
Anyway i 'll tell the guys they are working for a lost cause.......because you said so ! I am sure they will listen to you.

Don't think the F130 will ever see the light though, not out of commercial viepoint but from technical standpoint.

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:23 am

Their website is horrible and why didn't we hear something of Rekkof in the 3th piece of 2004? They would come with news, wouldn't they?
 
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:45 am

It's a toss up as to which is the more hopeless proposition on this forum today. Stoddart's plans to begin a 737-200 service as domestic carrier in Australia with OzJet or another attempt to raise the dead in the Netherlands.

Perhaps we should arrange an introduction, and Oz Jet could become the launch customer for Rekkof, after beating off the clamouring hordes from KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Iran and whoever else they dream up.

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:56 am

Beste Willem,

Why wouldn't KLM buy from them, instead of roaming the world for second hand F-70's?
UUuuhh let me think........maybe because there are no second hand F70's on the market.

I know that there are no F-70’s available… So why aren’t KLM ordering new ones with Rekkof?


Every so many months they are in the news, get an update on their web and then... nothing happens again.
How do you know nothing happens? Anyway i 'll tell the guys they are working for a lost cause.......because you said so ! I am sure they will listen to you.
Very simple… who owns the rights for the F-70 and F-100? As long as this is not solved nothing will happen.

Willem, you must understand that I would love to see a plane manufacturer in The Netherlands. Unfortunately, all the odds are against that happening soon.

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:46 am

Quoting Lijnden (reply 12):
I know that there are no F-70’s available… So why aren’t KLM ordering new ones with Rekkof?

Bastiaan i do not know what KLM ordered or not but i do know they want to fly the Fokkers for at least 10 more years, just started a new maintenance facility dedicated to the Fokkers, are not looking for Embraers nor Canadairs, want more F70 or similar A/C which leaves the choice pretty limited.

Quoting Lijnden (reply 12):
Very simple… who owns the rights for the F-70 and F-100? As long as this is not solved nothing will happen.

Fokker Services(my boss) in other words Stork holds the type certificate but to my knowledge not the technology base which can be used by every serious party........ unless something in the agreement is changed since 1996 i am not aware of.
Although it is clear to every body Rekkof can't and won't go anywhere without the full Stork cooperation.

Quoting Lijnden (reply 12):
Willem, you must understand that I would love to see a plane manufacturer in The Netherlands. Unfortunately, all the odds are against that happening soon.

There are so many things against the odds.
It was against the odds to acquire a Connie and bring it to Holland: done.
Then when the right props could not be found it was against the odds to modify the engines and fit super Connie props.: done.
Then we would never get registration and fly it: done
It was against the odds to acquire a 747: done.
When we could not fly it over to Lelystad it became mission impossible and against all odds to take it apart and ship it over: done.
Against the odds is maybe a Dutch thing that to many people forgot about, after all even our lovely country is against the odds but sure is the place where i like to be.

I am sorry Bastiaan but i tent not to listen to much to the "against the odds" people, otherwise nothing will get done anymore and we probably all drown in the next 10 years or so.
But then again apart from dying no guarantees are given in life, something i never did about this topic as well.
We will see..............
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:41 pm

A reaction from the very cold city of Almhult!

* KLM has said it is very interested in the Rekkof-project in public. It is also said that an LOI has been signed. Air France-KLM is one of the driving parties in the project, because they are one of the biggest operators of the plane. More Fokkers being built will result in lower prices of spares and less devaluation of their planes.

* The ministry of Economic Affairs (Economische Zaken) is fully cooperating with the Rekkof-attempt.

* Stork (or Fokker Aerospace) has always said in public, that it would support the restart as it would mean more business for them. Rekkof isn't going to do the support on the new planes, Stork will do that, so there's some money to gain here.

* Rekkof will not build parts of the planes themselves. Rekkof will only do the assembly of the parts. The parts will be produced all over (Eastern) Europe in order to keep the costs down.

* Location won't be any problem. Talks with Twenthe AB (Enschede) is in a final stage if I heard correct. The community wants to keep the former air base open, but need a good reason for this. A airplane manufacturer is a good one.

Hope this helps!

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:51 am

How do the operating costs of the F-100 compare with the EMB-190??
F-70 with EMB-170?
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (reply 14):
* Location won't be any problem. Talks with Twenthe AB (Enschede) is in a final stage if I heard correct. The community wants to keep the former air base open, but need a good reason for this. A airplane manufacturer is a good one.

It will be Lelystad mate ! D Smile
I'm sorry for you as i know you would have preferred Twente. hehe

Quoting Incitatus (reply 15):
How do the operating costs of the F-100 compare with the EMB-190??
F-70 with EMB-170?

That's very hard to answer Incitatus, there are so many variables.
The F70/100 list price will be below there rivals from Embraer but that does not say much about the operating costs.
Still for KL/AF it will be cheaper to run more Fokkers then buying something else because they already operated around 40 F70/100.
So there people are trained properly, they have all the equipment, the experience and they have a new maintenance facility dedicated to the Fokker fleet.
Not to mention Fokker Services just 50meter away for all there support.

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting Aviopic (reply 16):
That's very hard to answer Incitatus, there are so many variables.


Yes but it is a key question. In the case of the F-100, with American, USAir and TAM disposing of their fleets, operating costs are likely very high.
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:43 am

Of course it is a key question but i don't think it makes much of a difference.
The mentioned airframes are not disposed, just flying somewhere else.

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:50 am

Their website is awful, for a company who is 'serious' about restarting production they need to sort their marketing out.

Their website is very amateurish and certainly does the company no favours at all. It would be better to have nothing than what they currently have.

You'd think they could put together a decent website detailing the aircraft and providing news stories, progress reports and updates.

Goodness knows what their business case looks like.

I have no faith in the Fokker line restarting - especially after seeing that website.
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:22 am

The biggest question is: Are the costs of running an F100 with 80 seats (i.e., same as an F70) greater than the savings by buying machines currently parked in the desert?

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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting Sllevin (reply 20):
The biggest question is: Are the costs of running an F100 with 80 seats (i.e., same as an F70) greater than the savings by buying machines currently parked in the desert?


Maybe. I recall that AA retired theirs because their F100s required some seriously expensive fix to something (on the order of a couple of million $). Presumably any new-build F100s would have that fix.
 
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RE: Rekkof Site Updated - F130 Mentioned Too.

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:04 am

Quoting Aviopic (reply 16):
It will be Lelystad mate ! D
I'm sorry for you as i know you would have preferred Twente. hehe


Haha! I actually prefer Lelystad over Twenthe. I think Lelystad will have better photo-ops than a former airbase.

Well, keeping my fingers crossed from Sweden!

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