AirWillie6475
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Countries Without Their Own Airlines.

Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:20 pm

Basicaly I am wondering if there are countries that don't have at least one or two national airlines.
 
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:25 pm

Nigeria hasn't had an airline for some time. Hence the Virgin Nigeria thing
 
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:28 pm

All those little Caribbean nations and a bunch of the Central American nations don't have their own airlines. The larger islands, like Cayman, the Bahamas, and Jamaica have their own, but many of the others don't. I'm pretty sure Vatican City doesn't have their own either.  Big grin

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:35 pm

Newark-Andorra doesn't have their own airline, but then again, Andorra doesn't even have their own airport...you go to visit Andorra, you either have to fly into Barcelona or Toulouse...
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:42 pm

I'd say Uganda. Uganda Airlines used to exist, but not any more.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:54 pm

Does the US really count as having their own airline.. we really don't have a national carrier, although we do have a LOT of US based airlines..
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:59 pm

The airlines don't have to be national airlines just airlines based in a country. I was thinking more of countries in Europe and Asia.
 
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:01 pm

Oh.. okay.. then..

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:04 pm

International ?? Or Domestic ??

Continental Micronesia serves Palau, Federated States of Micronesia, and Marshall Islands..Each have their own "Domestic Airlines"
 
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:29 pm

Maldives.

Air Maldives is now defunct. Guys please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:02 pm

Nigeria hasn't had an airline for some time. Hence the Virgin Nigeria thing

Ummmm Feroze, Nigeria has a number of airlines other than Nigerian that ply domestic and regional routes. Bellview is one of them, along with Chachangi(sp?) and another one whose name escapes me.
 
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:33 pm

this may sound smartass but it's true:

Liechtenstein
Monaco
San Marino
Vatican City
Andorra

(at least I'm sure most of them don't)
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:55 pm

What about Bhutan.
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:15 pm

ETStar,

He probably meant countries with no national carriers. Flag carriers are airlines approved by the home government to ply international routes, whereas a national carrier is designated by the government as the official airline of the country, usually with special privileges such as route designation, or sometimes government ownership.

You're correct in that Nigeria is home to several independent carriers, privately owned of course, some of which have been granted select international route rights such as Aerocontractors, ADC Airlines, Bellview Airlines, Chanchangi and Afrijet. Lucrative routes have been reserved for Virgin Nigeria which is about to launch its operations, and to the best of my knowledge, it has been granted national carrier status (please correct me if Im wrong)
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Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:46 pm

SLC1 can Monacair, Heli Air Monaco be considered national airlines of Monaco even if the fly only helicopters what do you think?

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Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:57 pm

Bhutan has Druk Air. Tonga is one country that springs to mind that has no longer got it's own airline.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:28 am

Newark-Andorra doesn't have their own airline, but then again, Andorra doesn't even have their own airport...you go to visit Andorra, you either have to fly into Barcelona or Toulouse...

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http://www.rheinheli.ch

Vatican City
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Tuvalu
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San Marino
Tonga

is all that I can think of without some degree of commercial aviation enterprise being based there.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:58 am

Should the topic means the home-based airlines of that countries are not held and controlled by their nationals?? Or it mean the government does not own or controlled any airlines??
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:00 am

Bermuda doesn't have an own airline.

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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:10 am

Newark777, The Cayman islands are not one of the larger Caribbean islands, in fact the are one of the smallest group of islands. They have their own airline due to the fact that it is a wealthy island. And technically they are still part of the U.K.. The Bahamas are a group of thousands of tiny islands, with the largest being Andros. They also have their own airline. All countries in Central America have their own airlines, except for Belize. Taca is the airline of Central America, consisting of TACA,NICA,AVIATECA, and LACSA. TA now serves as the airline for all these countries, when they all fell into one group.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:13 am

Liechtenstein
Monaco
San Marino
Vatican City
Andorra

From what I understand, these are not officially "countries" either. I believe Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, are principalities. Vatican City is, as the name implies, a city. The Swiss army protects it, as the VC has no official army. I know little about San Marino.

Back to topic, Peru officially has no "flag carrier" airline. It used to be AeroPeru but it went bankrupt. Lan and TA are really carriers from other countries. And then there are the half dozen or so questionable "airlines" flying Peruvian skies.
Since the starter of the thread is not sure what was meant by "their own", I'm contributing this piece.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:22 am

VictorTango: AirMaldives is decfunt but there still is Maldivian Air Taxi and another airline I can´t remember...
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:30 am

Only the US does not have its own national airline. Hence the problem?
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:37 am

i dont' think Maldives or Seychelles has a national airline.. they usually operate off SQ and Srilankan Airlilnes..

however, i am just guessing and i am not sure at all.. please ignore/correct me if i'm wrong
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:48 am

Air Seychelles flies to numerous European cities nonstop, Singapore, Jo'burg and various other cities.

Taiwan? China Airlines belong to them. Air China is mainland China's.

Taiwan's sovereignity is debateable to some extent, but Tibet's status is unfortunately nowhere near to be considered a 'country' unless you take into account of their exiled govt in India.

[Edited 2005-02-12 17:57:55]
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:59 am

AA767400:

I guess I should have worded my post differently, something like "most popular" islands or something like that. I have been to Grand Cayman and the Bahamas many times, and they are beautiful, if I may say so myself. As for Central America, my bad.  Smile

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Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:04 am

Nigeria :
They still have Bellview Airlines which flies domestic sectors. Not sure if they serve any international destination at the moment.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:10 am

Tibet is so a country. TibetanAir with a gold cheatline has a fleet of 757s operating on a low cost regional network.

China Airlines (CI) take over of Air China (CA). The new company is called China Air (CI).

 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:18 am

Hong Kong does not have its own airline. Cathay is owned by the Brits and HK is owned by China.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:49 am

Hong Kong does not have its own airline. Cathay is owned by the Brits and HK is owned by China.

Don't forget that Hong Kong is part of China. Hence, it does have a national carrier.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:42 am

Hong Kong does not have its own airline. Cathay is owned by the Brits and HK is owned by China.

In both pre- and post-return cases, they did.

Before the return, they were British and had obviously BA, CX, and others.

Now that they're part of China, their planes are of Chinese registry. They're not on the British register.

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Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:58 am

Someone mentioned a bunch of Central American countries.
Grupo Taca is the national airline of El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica. (Hence the five birds in the logo!)
Grupo Taca is the result of an earlier merger of the individual (state) airlines Aviateca (Guatemala), Lacsa (Costa Rica), Nica (Nicaragua), Taca (El Salvador), and Taca de Honduras (Honduras).
The named countries definitely have their national airline (although not all the original airlines were in fact state-owned, but anyway): Grupo Taca!
Panama (although officially not Central America but often associated with it) has Copa Airlines as its national airline.
The only Central American country without a 'clear' national airline I would say is Belize, although some smaller airlines are based there.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:09 am

I think [please correct me if I'm wrong, and I know somebody will] that Paraguay, stricto sensu, has no official carrier. [?]

[Edited 2005-02-12 23:10:54]
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:10 am

Victor Tango-"Air Maldives is now defunct. Guys please correct me if I'm wrong"
but there are still airlines like Maldivian Air TAxi, Air Equator and Island Aviation services that operate in and are based in the Maldives. All of them are regional though
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:25 am

"I'm pretty sure Vatican City[sic] doesn't have their own either"

Do you mean Vatican STATE?

Maybe they don't need it [they used AZ]. And they don't have an airport [they used Fiumicino].

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"a bunch of the Central American nations don't have their own airlines"

As well as a "bunch" of states in the U.S..
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:35 am

"a bunch of the Central American nations don't have their own airlines"

As well as a "bunch" of states in the U.S..


You have to correct calling "Vatican State" Vatican City, but then you call US states countries?  Confused

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Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:54 am

"You have to correct calling "Vatican State" Vatican City, but then you call US states countries?"

Of course. You open me the gate [allow me] to say so. When? Since you mentioned a "City" [Vatican City] instead of a country (or a State) [Vatican State]. Same situation, same error. Is that simple.  Wink/being sarcastic

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Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:58 am

Vatican City is the usual name for it in these parts, not "Vatican State." That is the way it is labeled on most maps and is what most people call it.

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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:07 am

Does East Timor have an airline?
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:20 am

Sabena332: Bermuda isn't a country, it's an overseas district of the United Kingdom.

The Cayman Islands are also an overseas territory of the UK, thus, neither can have national airlines (except, I guess, British Airways!)

I don't think East Timor has a national airline.

Does Comoros have one? That's one that comes to mind. Also, countries like Central African Republic, Chad, Niger, and Lesotho come to mind, but I am not 100% sure about any of them
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:05 am

Tibet is so a country. TibetanAir with a gold cheatline has a fleet of 757s operating on a low cost regional network.

China Airlines (CI) take over of Air China (CA). The new company is called China Air (CI).


Just because there is an airline with the name "TibetanAir" does not mean it is it's own country. For example, the Cayman Islands have their own airline [Cayman Airways] yet are not an independent nation. Same as Hawaiian, although Hawaii used to be an independent kingdom, it is now part of the United States, therefore just having the name TibetanAir would certainly not have anything to do with the status of Tibet's independence. As for the political situation, Tibet is a former country that is currently occupied by the Chinese, making it officially the Chinese autonomous region of Xizang, in addition to the fact that Tibet's national government is currently exiled in India and have no political power over their region.

About China Airlines and Air China, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but I don't think Taiwan would allow a merger between their national airline and China's because that would only symbolize submission to the Chinese, who already consider Taiwan their 23rd province, and at the moment I'm not aware of any merger that has already taken place.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:14 am

"Since the starter of the thread is not sure what was meant by "their own", I'm contributing this piece."
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:23 am

Central African Republic, Chad and Niger were covered by the now defunct Air Afrique, the supra-national airline of 11 countries (apart from the three countries mentioned also Benin, Burkina Faso, Congo-Brazzaville, Cote d'Ivoire, Mali, Mauritania Senegal, and Togo). Some of these countries have now independent airlines which may be labeled as "national" (for instance Air Mauritanie, Air Senegal, Air Ivoire and Air Burkina), but the some countries are now indeed without a "national" carrier.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:53 am

From what I understand, these are not officially "countries" either. I believe Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, are principalities. Vatican City is, as the name implies, a city. The Swiss army protects it, as the VC has no official army. I know little about San Marino.

Liechtenstein is an independent country (though very small)! Liechtenstein is a institutional principality. The capital is Vaduz.

The soldiers in the Vatican City are not from the Swiss army. The "Schweizergarde" is an own "army", but the soldiers are all Swiss citizens.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:51 pm

What about Paraguay?
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RE: Countries Without Their Own Airlines.

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:51 pm

Taca320:

Indeed, Paraguay does not have a proper national airline since the death of LAP-Lineas Aereas Paraguayas (Air Paraguay).

Now TAM Mercosur (PZ) takes the place of the carrier of Paraguay, connecting the country with the rest of South America and with Brazil, where JJ takes them abroad.

If we want to open the chances to "what country don't have a flag carrier flying international, Ecuador and Peru can be added to the list (although I'm not sure, I think TAME Ecuador does fly to Venezuela or Colombia).

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Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:12 pm

Ummmm......even though Cayman and Bermuda are Britsh Overseas Teritories, we CAN have our own national airlines (or at least a netional flag carrier). Both countries have seperate constitutions from Britian and their own flags and emblems. We both also have self government internally and the right to conduct our own foriegn affairs.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:16 pm

CptGirmayTesfa:

I would like to remind you that Guatemala does have it's own airline: Tikal Jets.

By the way Panama is Central America, it is part of the istmus.
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Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:32 pm

China Airlines (CI) take over of Air China (CA). The new company is called China Air (CI).

Err... do you know something I don't? As far as I know, China Airlines (official flag carrier of Taiwan, Republic of China) and Air China (designated flag carrier of People's Republic of China) are still 2 very different state owned companies for 2 vastly different countries!
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RE: Countries Without Their Own Airlines.

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:53 pm

I am wondering if there are countries that don't have at least one or two national airlines.


Technically the UK doesn't have a national airline. British Airways is privatised, and therefore no longer a 'national' carrier (even BA stresses that), and both BMI and Virgin Atlantic are privately-owned.

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