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AA A300 At LHR

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:09 pm

What was this AA A300 doing at LHR?

Possibly operating an atlantic hop? Must have been pushing the range...


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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:13 pm

someone could probably give you more detailed information, however several years ago it was not unusual to see A300's make the trip across the pond. In fact the EWR-LHR flt was scheduled as an A300 for some time. When AA started receiving the 772's, AA took the A300 off of transatlantic flts and used them strickly for flts to the caribbean and South America
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:17 pm

I initially thought equipment change, but then I noticed that there are actually quite a few AA A300 pics at LHR. Did AA used to fly a scheduled A300 to LHR? The pictures are all between 1997 and 2002.

Edit: I guess the previous post answers that question.  Smile

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:21 pm

Yes, AA used them on BOS/EWR/JFK-LHR and BOS-ORY (later CDG) for a few years before the 777s and 767s (in the case of BOS-CDG) took over.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:26 pm

3-class A-300-605R a/c were used for some time LHR-BOS/EWR/JFK, offering more capacity than a 762 and during a period when AA was short of -ER capacity.

Westbound weight restrictions were indeed an issue, especially in the winter when winds aloft are stronger.

A/C shifted off transatlantic service after route rationalization and delivery of 777s.


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P.S.: The 747-SP also operated LHR-JFK for a time, but this was much earlier (removed from DFW-NRT when the MD-11 hit the scene). The SP had to go somewhere and JFK-LHR made the most sense since the a/c was maintained at JFK (and had to be ferried there from DFW when it was DFW-based.
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:25 am

Seen them at Glasgow sometimes aswell.
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:07 am

Flew LHR-BOS on an AA A300 in 1998- my recollection was a comfortable flight with a spacious cabin in Economy.

I flew back on an AA MD11 JFK-LHR.
Funny to think that both the A300 and MD11 are growing increasingly rare- especially across the pond.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:10 am

Thank you for the responses, that seems to explain it  Big grin
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:12 am

In 2001, it was current at LHR to see the AA A300 Landing at 21.00pm.

It was the day service flying from JFK.

 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:33 am

I believe that I have seen the A300's in FRA on more than one occasion back in the day.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:45 am

There were 7 A300's in the AA fleet allocated to and configured specifically for the LHR services in the 90's. As someone mentioned, as the 777 fleet grew, the A300 fleet was re-allocated back to the US-Caribbean routes.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:52 am

United also operated B757s to Heathrow in "those days." Now all we get is B777's and the odd UA B767 or B747. T7's aren't bad, but more variety was great.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:55 am

United have never operated B757s to Heathrow, or any other trans-Atlantic destination. They have used various B747 models, including both the SP and -400 on their LHR routes in the past though.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:58 am

I remember seeing a B757 there when i came back from Vancouver in 2000, and i saw one about a month later too. My eyes weren't failing me.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:11 am

Crosswind is correct. UA has never flown the 752 on transatlantic services. The 763 can be briefly mistaken for a 752 from a certain angle.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:11 am

You must have seen United 762's as i've never seen a UA 757 at LHR ever, nor do i think they operated the 757 transatlantic as i don't think they are ETOPS certified. There have been 727's, 767's, 747's (SP/200/400) and ofcourse 777's flown to LHR. AA used to send a variety of aircraft up until a few years ago, MD-11's, 767-200/300 and the A300 were common sights, now you see a dozen or so 777's daily.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:15 am

Hmmm, you may be right. I am pretty sure it was a B757, but it was 4 and a half years ago. I do apologize!

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:30 am

I think that AA was out of there minds to put the A300 on the East Coast to Europe routes. It just does not make sense. When all of those 767s where flying to the Caribbean instead of the A300.

I remember flying on JFK-LHR on an American MD-11 and flying back on a B767-200, this was back in 1994 I think.

American Airlines purchased the MD-11 for its Asian routes, so I was rarley seen flying to Europe I think.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:30 am

Those 7 AA300's were equipped with PTV's. And a better seat pitch than the actual cramped A300's that every time you fly them, you prefer to stay standing up in the entire flight.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:35 am

B752fantastic i agreee that the b752 is fantastic, particularly when equipped with RB211s, but where are those 7 AA A300s now? Were they equipped with PTVs in coach, or only in C-Calss?
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:45 am

American Airlines purchased the MD-11 for its Asian routes, so I was rarley seen flying to Europe I think.

AA used the M11 on ORD-LHR on a sked basis in the 90's.

but where are those 7 AA A300s now?

They are used on the US-Carib routes along with the other 27 AA A300's.

I think that AA was out of there minds to put the A300 on the East Coast to Europe routes. It just does not make sense.

Actually, it was a wise move. It made good use of the 600R range and had more capacity than the 762ER.




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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:46 am

AirLiban,

The PTVs where in all classes. Now those 7 A300s are back on thier Caribbean routes with out the PTVs.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:53 am

AlitaliaMD11 and Yyz717, thanks for the responses...

so i would kill to see an interior pic of those A300s...how nice of AA to remove the PTVs, lol. Why did they put the PTVs on in the first place, not like the 767s had them?

Also perhaps one of you can help answer this question which I posted last night:

How many of the 34 or however many AA A300s have been upgraded to the new blue first class interior?
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:25 am

AA operated the A300 into LHR for years on a regular basis. They took them off the LHR routes no less than half a year after 9/11. BTW, does AA still fly EWR-LHR?
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:37 am

Thrust, I believe its only BA that flies that route now.

BA 184, 186 and 188, all with 777s.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:45 am

"United also operated B757s to Heathrow in "those days." "

Couple guys thought the claim was that UA flew the 757 transatlantic-- which isn't what he said. What did happen to those intra-European routes that UA used the 727 on?
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:01 pm

timz,
those 27 routes that ua flew outta lhr were given up except for the ams/bru-lhr route.....ua kept them and flew the 67 to lhr from those 2 cites....i was told that ual kept them as they needed the slots......bru was dropped along time ago and ams was dropped i believe 1 yr ago.....

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AA flew the sp from ewr to lhr...i flew that flight back in 92 or 93???? and i do remember that the pilot coming on before dept and telling us that flight time was 5:10 to lhr......fast aircraft and strong tail winds....
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:12 pm

I don't know, but I heard once that they pulled out the A300's from the transatlantic routes because the crash of one of the A300's in New York in November 2001.

I remember that all the pilots of the A300 with American said that they don't want to fly the plane, things got scary, probably wasn't too good to put the A300 on those routes, since they were competing with 777's, 747's and 767's.

I mean, I am just speculating, probably the image of the A300 got too deteriorated.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:05 pm

Yes, they did pull them becuase of the 11/12/01 crash. I think that they might have been good planes to put on the LHR routes back then becuase the loads where very low.

No, AA does no longer fly EWR-LHR, I think they fly to LGW?? I picked up my friend from the airport in 2002 and he flew from DFW-EWR on a B767-300 and the flight was continuing on to LGW. So I am not sure.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:29 pm

No, actually they removed the 300 from the North Atlantic when there were sufficent numbers of 777's in the fleet to take over the service.

As noted above all of the tri class A300's have since been reconfigured and are flying the Caribbean.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:33 am


BTW, does AA still fly EWR-LHR?

No.


No, AA does no longer fly EWR-LHR, I think they fly to LGW??

No they don't.


AA flew the sp from ewr to lhr...i flew that flight back in 92 or 93???? and i do remember that the pilot coming on before dept and telling us that flight time was 5:10 to lhr......fast aircraft and strong tail winds....

Never did, but UA did.
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:48 am

I thought that EWR-LHR was operated by an AA Boeing 777 right around the end of the time it was flown by AA. Can anybody corroborate this?
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:07 am

as i don't think they are ETOPS certified.

Of course they are.

I thought that EWR-LHR was operated by an AA Boeing 777 right around the end of the time it was flown by AA.

I think they were talking about the SP.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:27 am

PTV in coach?! no way.. i flew JFK-LHR on an old cramp A300 without PTV. We had to land in BOS due too mechanical problems. They made us stay inside the cabin for like 2 hours or more...no PTV. i wouldn't have minded the delay if i was entertained  Smile
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:38 am

The SP from Newark to LHR was indeed United, not American. AA only flew the 747SP, with maybe a few undocumented exceptions, across the Pacific, primarily Dallas-Tokyo (cos they were too mean to buy some 747-400s), never to London.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:11 am

hello all,

Charlie,
the SP flew out of LHR regularly when AA got the scuds fot the Japan routes....

Thrust

Only types used on AA92/93 were the A300 & 767


All,

there were ten ships that flew across the pond, 065-074....BTW every AA LHR employee are glad the shit is back in the states...good for S.F.A.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:17 am

BTW every AA LHR employee are glad the shit is back in the states...good for S.F.A.


Tugmaster, could you qualify that statement with a couple of reasons?
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:51 am

AA used the A300 not only into the Caribbean routes, also to density South American routes like BOG, LIM...
A300 is the biggest airplane for AA regarding the seats.

To use the A300 was not so uncommon. For example LH uses the A300 from FRA to YMQ year ago and also to routes from FRA to BOS and to NYC (JFK and EWR).

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:52 am

Yes, they did pull them becuase of the 11/12/01 crash.

No, they did not. They announced they were pulling them from trans-Atlantic service quite a while before the 11/12/01 crash.

I think that they might have been good planes to put on the LHR routes back then becuase the loads where very low.

That doesn't make sense. The A300s seat more than the 767s, and just as many as the 777s.

Also, IIRC, AA used the A300s on MIA-MAD for a short while...

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:58 am

>That doesn't make sense. The A300s seat more than the 767s, and just as many as the 777s.<

The A300 has more seats than the 767 and the 777.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:20 am

AA A300s are configured with 267 seats - 16F 251Y

The 763s have 212 seats.

The 772 Atlantics have 245 seats in total - 16F 35C 194Y

The 772s Pacifics have 224 seats in total - 18F 42C 163Y (yea i know it doesn't add up)

So the A300s are comfortably the largest planes that AA operates (pax wise).

Although I may have been looking at seatmaps that do not indicate the new SRTC configuration on the 777s.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:23 am

PTV in coach?!

Yes, I am almost positive AA's three class A300s had PTVs in coach.

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:35 am

"For example LH uses the A300 from FRA to YMQ year ago and also to routes from FRA to BOS and to NYC (JFK and EWR)."

When did LH fly A300s to JFK/EWR/BOS?
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:37 am

I know that AA sometimes swaps the A300's for 767's and 777 on their routes to the caribbean and south america.

Operational wise, is it more efficient and economical to use the 767 or 777 rather than the A300?

Not counting that the A300 is the a/c in AA's fleet with more capacity. I am asking in terms of costs and seat per mile cost.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:42 am

When did LH fly A300s to JFK/EWR/BOS?

sorry I meant years again! in the mid 90s
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:42 am

Well, heres an LH 310 at JFK:


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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:52 am

I was on AA 92/93 EWR-LHR great flight. My frist A300 experience. The range is not a factor.

AA used their MD-11's to Europe. They used them from DFW to LGW and FRA, maybe even ZRH right before they pulled them from the fleet.

I remember AA 78 (DFW-LGW) used to be an MD-11 for a while.
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:55 am


I was on AA 92/93 EWR-LHR great flight. My frist A300 experience. The range is not a factor.

I was shocked when they started that flight, surprised it lasted as long as it did, and disappointed when it was cancelled.

Wonder if we'll ever see any international destinations such as Europe again from a USA airline other than CO from EWR?
 
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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:12 am

Tugmaster, thanks for the reminder, I forgot about the Scuds freeing up the SPs. After saying they never ever crossed the pond, I'm now remembering, the AA SPs mainly did JFK-LHR, right? Very funny about the A300, were they that bad?

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RE: AA A300 At LHR

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:15 am

American decided to bet their money in the late 80's into the A300-600R because of the range and the capacity it offered.

Later they found out that the weight limitations, and capacity didnt do as they expected and decided to take advantage of its payload capacity and cargo capacity for short to medium range flights.

I think AA wanted to cross the pond as much as possible with the A300, but seeing how they didnt get what they want they prefered to use it on those hops.

Currently one of the longest A300 flights that AA operates at the moment is from JFK to Hispaniola (around 4 hours) , and MIA-GYE (also around 4 hours), but they have handled pretty good in MIA's hot weather at full capacity to go down in a flight of 4 hours.

Have you guys seen the t/o performance of the A300? It's incredible, but nothing compared to the 757...DUH!!  Smile
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