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Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:42 am

I was flipping threw channels on TV today and happened to catch , on a fairly old movie, a Pan Am 737-200 on final approach somewhere. Im just curious how many did Pan Am have, and what is the deal with Pan Am ops currently? Are they down to just charter flights?



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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:47 am

The original Pan Am had 732s in the 1980s-- but neither of the later "Pan Am"s did, did they?
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:51 am

We had a handful of them............most of which were used on the IGS services out of Berlin. When that was sold to Lufthansa, they were brought back to the states for a year or so and mainly used on Caribbean routes out of Miami before they were finally retired. I can remember the ones we got from Air Florida with the green/blue interiors......quite a change from "Pan Am blue."
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:00 am

PanAm (II) had B737-400s for a short time before their shutdown. They were inherited when they merged with Carnival Airlines.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:02 am

Thanks for the posts and the info. Personally, I would like to see Pan Am of old come back and regain the top dog status it used to have. Still love seeing those 72's down in Sanford,FL. Even have had a few come in here in TYS.




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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:08 am

In all there were 16 B732s in operation for Pan Am. Indeed they were used on the IGS and intra-european routes. Hence most of them had a German name related to Berlin such as "Clipper Tempelhof" or "ClipperNeukölln" as you can see below.


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Here is a list of them:
N383PA "Clipper Steglitz"
N385PA "Clipper Berlin"
N4902W "Clipper Wilmersdorf"
N382PA "Clipper Kreuzberg"
N63AF "Clipper Schöneberg"
N64AF "Clipper Spandau"
N67AF "Clipper Tempelhof"
N68AF "Clipper Zehlendorf"
N69AF "Clipper Charlottenburg"
N380PA "Clipper Neukölln"
N381PA "Clipper Wedding"
N387PA "Clipper Tiergarten"
N388PA "Clipper Reinickendorf"
N389PA "Clipper Frankfurt"
N70723 "Clipper Luftikus"
N70724 "Clipper Spreeathen"

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:15 am

aaah I love Pan Am(1) Threads  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I nonreved as a kid on some of the -200s when they were stateside, around 1988 mainly LAX-SFO and return, it was a rare treat...I belive the IGS was using A300s at that point already, maybe some of the Pan Am guys can correct me.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:19 am

Hey guys, pardon my ignorance but what does IGS stand for?
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:29 am

Intra German Services
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:30 am

IGS = Internal German Service
Since no German airlines were allowed to fly to Berlin, only US, UK and French carriers, PA flew there from many German cities.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:30 am

Ahh thanks there SATL382G
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:33 am

... and don't forget US, UK, and French airlines flew to West Berlin. Naturally Aeroflot went to East Berlin....
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:46 am

I was fortunate to travel on just about every example in Pan Am's fleet from 1980 to the end. I remember several trips on the 737-200. One being LAX-SAN and the others being MIA-TPA-MIA. Towards the end, they were routed around the southeast in and out of MIA to markets like TPA, MCO, IAH, MSY, and ATL.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:08 am

We couldn't fly these a/c into the Caribbean because they had no life rafts. In fact, on the MIA/IAH/MIA runs, the crews had to run at the "Barber pole" to try and ensure that we maintained schedule. We would have to fly up the west coast of FL and then turn left at TLH . Notice the "AF" N numbers on several of these a/c. Old Ed Acker still was making a killing off of Pan Am long after he was gone.

As Groundstop stated, he flew on virtually all of the equipment types we had, but only got airsick on the 737. Still chalk it up to the "grilled cheese sandwich" Grandma served for lunch.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:16 am

I worked as a Pan Am flight attendant based in LHR in the 80's. We operated the 737's intra-Europe. As I remember, we had ex PSA and Wein Air Alaska aircraft there. The ex Air Florida 37's state-side were pretty nasty, ugly and most certainly SMELLY inside (lav odor)! I remember flying a couple months in a row on the 737 doing LHR to AMS and several other cities just to get a break from the full, long-haul 747 trips. Has lots of fun!!!
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:56 am

At the very end the 737's were flying mia-nas, mia-fpo, mia-tpa, mia-mco, mia-atl-iad, sfo-lax, lax-san, and for a short time bos-jfk.


As far as the IGS, after the 737's were brought home, the trips were flown with the 727 and A310.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:51 pm

They are not down just to charter operations, they fly scheduled flights.

See it yourself:http://www.flypanam.com

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:04 pm

I could not even begin to imagine how fun it would have been to be a gringo and work the IGS routes. I bet it made the "Catch Me if You Can" glamour look tame!
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:01 am

Pan Am hired flight attendants specifically for the IGS. They were German nationals that flew only the IGS services. They were, for the most part, a senior bunch of women that we as Pan Am flight attendants, never really saw. We did have pilots based there however.....and would embellish stories of these women being typically "Helga" like!
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:17 am

I know they were run to Hobby airport alongside 72S in the final days of Pan Am.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:33 am

Well, in the database there are pics of it at MIA, SAN and locations accross Europe such as NUE, FRA, TXL, ZRH, PMI, LHR, AMS, FAO, MXP, HAM and SZG.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:48 am

PA pulled the 732s out of Berlin long before LH took over the IGS. In the end, PA was operating 722s, A310 and A300s out of Berlin.

And not all the IGS's FAs were German, they had some U.S. ones, too, that simply liked Berlin or had family there (remember, PA pilots based in Berlin, many GIs, etc.).
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:12 pm

transisland...........


as a PAA flight attendant,I really do not remember U.S. flight attendants based in Berlin. When I was hired in 1985 it was not an option to be based there. Perhaps they were not all German but they were Europeen. The flight attendant based in Berlin were not on our seniority list.....therefore could not fly with those on the IUFA seniority list.......and only flew.....as a rule......on the IGS routes..........except for a few europeen charters. Pilots, as mentioned earlier, were not subject to our union rules and flew with them with regularity.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:50 am

Tu154 - My mother worked as an FA for the IGS. Naturally, I met a number of her colleagues. They were not all German or European, there were some (few) U.S. as well.
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:17 am

We also had a Warsaw FA base they worked some of the IGS routes and a number of the FRA beyond routes like ATH, IST, ANK and more
 
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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:34 pm

I´m a Lufthansa F/A and all of the 300 TXL based PA F/A´s transferred from PA to LH after they took over the Berlin operations.

Every once in a while it happens that I fly with or just run into some of them.

So my info is first hand!

Let me asure you that they were definetley not all German or European Nationals. They in fact had some Americans there and they were not all specifically hired for the IGS. Some simply transferred from other US and European bases or even from BOM or NRT to TXL!

Of course most of the TXL based F/A´s were Germans, which made sense, but not all of them. But what is true, is that they all needed to be able to speak at least conversational German and that they only flew the IGS routes and the 727 an A310 and had their own little seniority list.

One of the former Pan Amers here at LH is particularly legendary: SONDRA!!!

A beautiful black lady with charisma, class, style and grace!!!

Well, these days are over!

Interesting to see, where all the European based Pan Am F/A´s went to:

TXL F/A´s are now with LH, LHR F/A´s with UA and the WAW F/A´s with DL!
Delta even kept the base in WAW for as long as they still operated internal European routes, when they closed the base they sponsored the polish F/A´s for greencrads and they all transferred to US bases!

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:40 pm

Tu154:

Do you remember by a lucky chance how big the LHR base was? I was always wondering.

How many F/A´s were based there?

I guess this was one of the bases with the biggest diversity in nationalities.

American, British, French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Swedish, Norwegian, Indian and Asian Nationals... etc.

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:00 am

Okay, one more question for you Tu154:

Do you remember where the F/A´s working the FRA-NBO-FRA run were based?

US based crews, or LHR base, or maybe even BOM based crews? As they frequently flew into FRA but as far as I know they were not going on to the US, right?

Any info from you would be highly appreciated  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Pan Am 737-200's?

Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:21 am

L1011lover:

I don't have numbers for the LHR base. Have a friend that was based there so I'll get the info for your question about the base numbers. Pan Am was all pretty much multi- national. In the 1960's they activly recruited from Europe. I remember speaking on the jumpseat with one senior woman who mentioned she was the only American in her class! Pan Am really wanted it's crews to be multi-national and multi-lingual. It was nice flying with crews from all over the world. As far as the Nairobi flights. When I was hired in the 80's they were flown out of New York but with stops in Dakar, Monrovia, and Lagos, on the B747. Later they were flown out of frankfurt, on the A310, with US based crews.....JFK for the most part, until Pan Am hired the foreign nationals and based them in NBO.
They also opened bases in BOM and TLV to cover the Middle East and India, and GRU to cover some Brasil flying. These trips would come up now and again when these bases had to do JE (jet emergency)....which is reccurent training at other airlines. Believe me, when they would appear on the bid-lines once a year, they went VERY senior.

whew.......hope that answers part of your question.
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