BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:34 am



It was reported on the news about a week ago that Beirut Int'l which had its new terminal completed in 2002 will reach its full 6 million passengers annual capacity in 5 years.

Does anyone know about any expansion plans?

The airport handled 3.35 million passengers in 2004, and increase from 2.84 million in 2003. So that's an 18% increase which is quite a leap.

2005 could handle almost 4 million passengers if the rate of growth is as strong as it was last year.

I remember hearing that they are looking at adding 7 widebody gates all A380 capable. Anyone have any info?









MyAviation.net photo:
Click here for bigger photo!
Photo © Rami Bayyoumi
MyAviation.net photo:
Click here for bigger photo!
Photo © Rami Bayyoumi



MyAviation.net photo:
Click here for bigger photo!
Photo © Joe Nazarian


Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
ME201
Posts: 6
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:34 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:04 am

BA,

That is awesome news. I remember seeing a plan from Dar Al Handassah (I think) showing that another terminal could be built where the MEA hangars and Aeroclub is (or once was, I am not sure where they are now). Practically they could use all the land stretching to the old Runway 18/36. Do you know where they are going to add the 7 new Gates you mentioned? Will it be an extension to the East or West Concourses?

Regards,
JN.
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:42 am

ME201,

That'd be interesting to see that Dar al Handassah plan.

I think I read that the additional gates would be built on the east side. That old eye-sore building currently used by Saudi Arabian Cargo and Liban Post would be demolished and they would extend the terminal from that area up to the TMA hangers.

I could be wrong though.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:10 pm

Wassch71,

I love your CedarJets pages website! Well done! I'm glad you have joined Airliners.net.

What happened to the Cargo Village project they had now that TMA is not flying anymore?

I believe the Cargo Village project is simply an idea for the future just as converting Kleyate airport to a cargo airport in the future is just an idea. I don't think they have any firm plans yet.

Exactly what is the latest on TMA? Have they completely shut down?

Regards

[Edited 2005-02-13 06:11:08]
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:19 pm

Wassch71, welcome to a.net and I love your website by the way, it has always been a great source of information about MEA and I am constantly referring to it.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
wassch71
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:47 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:30 pm

Thank you BA, AirxLiban, it's great to be here (and actually a little overdue).

I have no news on TMA, but I will try to investigate that when I will go to Beirut at the end of this month. It is such a pity for Lebanon, TMA has actually a much prouder legacy than MEA. I have a timetable from 1971, with Round the World flights, but also DC-7 service to...Kabul. They had terrific traffic rights, such as between Japan and the US, the Gulf and India. I will try to put that one online, but TMA's news have been so depressing that for now I prefer to wait and see what's happening to them.

Do you think that the projected regional carrier will really be viable?
MEA...Like No Other
 
N1120A
Posts: 26468
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:30 pm

Welcome to A.net Wassch71. Thanks for posting the pictures BA, I never had Beirut high on the "must travel to" list, until now
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:44 pm

Wassch71,

I have no news on TMA, but I will try to investigate that when I will go to Beirut at the end of this month.

Have a great time, it should be very pleasant now. I will hopefully go in May.

It is such a pity for Lebanon, TMA has actually a much prouder legacy than MEA. I have a timetable from 1971, with Round the World flights, but also DC-7 service to...Kabul. They had terrific traffic rights, such as between Japan and the US, the Gulf and India.

Fully agree. It's so sad that an airline that operated around the world flights is now nothing.

I will try to put that one online, but TMA's news have been so depressing that for now I prefer to wait and see what's happening to them.

I was wondering if you were planning to do one. I love the Syrian Air and Palestinian Airlines pages you made.

Do you think that the projected regional carrier will really be viable?

I think it will. Do you have any idea what aircraft they are planning to get and when they will be starting up?

N1120A,

Thanks for posting the pictures BA, I never had Beirut high on the "must travel to" list, until now

Those are my bad pictures. You should see some of my newer ones, especially those taken at night using a tripod.  Smile

Email me if you want more info or photos.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
EurostarVA
Posts: 1205
Joined: Thu May 16, 2002 12:24 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:44 pm



I think it would be wrong for the airport to build another, detached terminal near the maintenance hangars. For traveler convenience, it would be a better idea to extend the East and West concourses towards the cargo, and maintenances areas, respectively.

Is the inactive runway near the maintenance area being used as a taxiway?
If there is a will, there is a way
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:54 pm

EurostarVA,

I think it would be wrong for the airport to build another, detached terminal near the maintenance hangars.

I think they would connect it with a pedestrian bridge if they would go with this plan.

For traveler convenience, it would be a better idea to extend the East and West concourses towards the cargo, and maintenances areas, respectively.

The plan I heard would extend the east concourse to the cargo areas.

Is the inactive runway near the maintenance area being used as a taxiway?

Runway 17/35 (was 18/36) is actually still used, but not very much these days.

It is sometimes used as a taxiway.

The old runway 03/21 was converted to a taxiway when the new 03/21 opened in 1998.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
wassch71
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:47 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:10 pm

Very little is known about that projected airline, nothing official in all cases.

I doubt that they will buy russian airliners, MEA has a long standing tradition of applying isolation penality to all airliners not operated or not ordered by any airline in the region, even in better times and when the airline took more initiatives. As for Syrianair, they still have to figure out what to do with their remaining Tupolevs, I doubt that they would press MEA towards that choice now that they have actually to pay full fare for the airliners they buy from Russia.

I also have doubts about the website that is thought to be the official page of this airline. It does not look nor sound professional, and knowing MEA's reservations on everything I do not think that such a page would have been approved by the parent companies. The logo is very ugly, I hope that this one will not be used. I am also surprised about the airline's title given Syria's participation and the fact that the Syrian hinterland has little to do with historic Phoenicia.

Do you think that Phoenician will take over Syrianair's domestic routes? My doubts regarding the viability of this carrier originates to the fact that neither MEA nor Syrianair have had profitable routes between the two countries since the mid sixties, with the quick and cheap overland connections. Influent and/or Jet Set people, the market mostly targeted by these Air Taxi flights, do not have to wait for long on the Lebanese-Syrian border anyway. We'll just have to wait and see.

In the old days Arab airlines like Kuwait Airways and Saudia had all cargo flights to Beirut (I still remember KU's Boeing 707 as late as the mid nineties). Anyone knows if these flights still exist?

Regards

Wassim.
MEA...Like No Other
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:18 pm

Wassch71,

I also have doubts about the website that is thought to be the official page of this airline.

It's just a temporary page for now. I am pretty sure it is the official page.

It does not look nor sound professional, and knowing MEA's reservations on everything I do not think that such a page would have been approved by the parent companies.

MEA will operate the airline. They will have a 25% stake in the airline, as will Syrian Air, while the rest of the airline will be owned by private investers.

It will be a completely independantly operated airline.

The logo is very ugly, I hope that this one will not be used.

I think it will look better on the aircraft.

I am also surprised about the airline's title given Syria's participation and the fact that the Syrian hinterland has little to do with historic Phoenicia.

I disagree, Phoenicians has very much to do with Syria.

The entire Eastern Mediterranean coast from Alexandretta (Iskenderun) in the Hatay province of Turkey all the way down to Akka is historic Phoenicia.

Latakia, the most major city on the Syrian coast is historically a Phoenician city.

Do you think that Phoenician will take over Syrianair's domestic routes?

This is a very good question.

My doubts regarding the viability of this carrier originates to the fact that neither MEA nor Syrianair have had profitable routes between the two countries since the mid sixties, with the quick and cheap overland connections.

I guess we'll find out.

A study conducted by a major consultation firm called SH&E concluded that it will be profitable in the 3rd year.

Time will tell...

Influent and/or Jet Set people, the market mostly targeted by these Air Taxi flights, do not have to wait for long on the Lebanese-Syrian border anyway. We'll just have to wait and see.

Exactly...

In the old days Arab airlines like Kuwait Airways and Saudia had all cargo flights to Beirut (I still remember KU's Boeing 707 as late as the mid nineties). Anyone knows if these flights still exist?

Saudi Arabian Cargo operates to Beirut only on an unscheduled periodic basis only.

Don't know about Kuwait Airways...

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:50 pm

Which topic are we discussing MEA routes to Asia in?

Anyway, with the current political climate, I wouldn't roll the dice on anything becoming of this airline anytime soon.
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
MOE777
Posts: 48
Joined: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:04 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:09 pm

does anyone know when they are going to update the BIA webpage?
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:22 pm

AirxLiban,

Anyway, with the current political climate, I wouldn't roll the dice on anything becoming of this airline anytime soon.

It will be interesting to see how the current political climate affects this airline...

Moe777

does anyone know when they are going to update the BIA webpage?

When Royal Phnom Penh Airways acquires A380s and uses them to start 3x daily service to Beirut from Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
wassch71
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:47 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:24 pm

Sorry AirxLiban, I posted that by mistake in this forum (I will try to get it deleted).

Moe777
The BIA page...nobody knows. Before they had an outdated timetable and horrible spelling mistakes ( for destinations especially). Now they do not feature any flight infos at all. In a previous post on Airliners.net it was suggested that they were working on it, we'll see. There is a lot to say on Beirut International Airport's History:

http://wassch71.tripod.com/cedarjet160.html

Therefore I was surpized that they did not have more on the history. The current thread reflects the mixed feelings that the old airport (with its very good and awfully bad moments) raises, maybe this is why they do not devote much details on that. I hope, however, that they will add bigger and better pictures of the "old" (which is by the way not the oldest) airport.

Regards

Wassim
MEA...Like No Other
 
brightcedars
Posts: 751
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:18 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:32 pm

Hello to all near or far!

As a frequent customer of Beirut Int'l Airport (BEY) I have to say that I'm glad it is increasing its utilization however this raises some concerns for me as a passenger that I'd like to share with you all.

1. The current facility, especially the wings, are more of a concrete bunker than a modern airport feature. I mean where are the windows! It's Lebanon, there is Sun and a beautiful landscape! Would any new extension give us more chance to enjoy the surroundings and parked aircraft? For that matter, the windows in the business lounge are not very large either.

2. Customs are a nightmare for anyone, not to mention at peak seasons. You queue in the most random manner amid crowd and smoke. Something should definitely be done about this, whether the airport gets extended or not.

3. Smoke, I hinted about it in point 2. Can't they make the place a full non-smoking airport with smoking zones? Even MEA has banned smoking. This again is just talking about improving the airport.

4. Make the wings happier places to be. The wings lack the most simple kind of entertainment and refreshment facilities. Please add some drink & food dispensers along them and try to put some TVs around the place.

5. Getting a visa stamp. Since the visa stamp is such an easy formality, wouldn't it be possible also to place a couple automated visa stamp dispensers prior to customs so that one doesn't have to queue with half its airplane at the one-manned desks?

I'm so glad to see the airport in need to extend. I hope this will happen to the benefit of MEA. I have no special link with them but they have done such a tremendous job over the years before and after the 90's. I also want to see MenaJet grow (and have its online booking engine up and running!). I hope the Lebanese with MEA will not do the mistake us Belgians did with our good old Sabena. I think they have more pride than us so I'm not too worried.

As for 787 (in this case 7-hate-7), it is a pity that this tragic event ever took place. But as some said, this is not the only highjacking that ever took place and this is not the whole history of Beirut Int'l Airport nor it's forever doom and burden. This is so easily brushing aside the courage and heroism of the millions of Lebanese civilians who were victims of the war and still are today because of comments like yours. At home or having to flee their beloved and lovable country? Loosing loved ones and family members, having your house shelled? Seeing your kids playing with bullet and shell casings? Hiding in the basement of your building for days in the dark and with little food hoping that the worse won't happen, not knowing of tomorrow. The hijacking of TWA's flight was wrong, everybody will agree. Yet if this World's equilibrium was based on the accumulation of the burden of wrong, then there wouldn't be a World at all by now.
I want the European Union flag on airliners.net!
 
wassch71
Posts: 199
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:47 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:55 pm

Bright Cedars

Smoking is endemic in Lebanon, another (among many) war sequelae. I do not think that public spaces in Lebanon, including the airport, will be smoke free in the near future. MEA becoming non smoking is an achievement in itself, and hadn't it been for the alliance with AF and the need to offer a similar product I am not sure that this would have been brought up at any point. Having lived in Lebanon, France and the US, the first holds the record for smoking, people offer you cigarettes when you visit them just like they offer you coffee and candy without any fear that they me contributing to your risks of cancer and/or stroke. As for the airport building, I agree that there are places one can feel claustrophobic in, by the gates especially, you have to look between white stripes on the windows to see the plane you're about to board; but there are other areas with good views. I cannot comment on the visa procedures as I have not had to use them; however there was a departure tax stamp that needed to be bought at some point by the check in counters, and I remember that it took time too. Overall it is not that bad compared with the administration in general (a big improvement, beleive me) and things will hopefully become simpler with time.

I was sad about Sabena as well. I flew with them from Beirut to Brussels in 1984. They flew the route with B737-200, my BRU bound flight made a technical stop in Stuttgart, the return flight to BEY was with a stop in Athens; they upgraded that service later to A310, just before the route had to be closed for another fare up of violence in Lebanon. I also flew with them 15 years later, BRU-BEY-BRU, Boeing 737-500 nonstop. Both times, flights were packed, mostly with people connecting through BRU to other places in Europe. I was surprised to hear the mixed reviews on Sabena's service, the flights I had with them were great, but then again these were only 2 journeys. I hear SN Brussels is doing great, Hope this will continue.

Regards

Wassim.
MEA...Like No Other
 
airxliban
Posts: 4285
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:56 am

Regarding smoking, I must say that 2 of the last 5 times I flew on MEA even though the flights were non smoking people were still smoking.

IST-BEY on F-OHMO (got upgraded to Cedar Class): literally 15 seconds after takeoff I smelt something funny and was wondering if perhaps the engines were about to overheat. Then I realized that the gentleman behind me was smoking. The F/A came over and told him to stop and of course he made a big deal out of it. I'm a first class passenger, this is lebanon, etc etc but eventually put it off.

Then BEY-LHR on F-OMEC in 2003, another cedar class passenger started smoking. The F/A came and told him to stop and he wouldn't, so she brought the purser who asked him very kindly to stop. His response was "i am here in my house, i will fart and smoke as much as I want"

So much for nonsmoking on MEA  Big grin
PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:44 am

Arabs are addicted to smoking. It really is a shame...

I'm so glad a few of my relatives were able to quit...

I agree that they to make BEY non-smoking and have areas for people to smoke.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
174thfwff
Posts: 2831
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:47 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:00 am

There was a lot of focus on the past history of the airport in this discussion and it was getting out of hand. Lets focus on what's currently going on at Beirut International and whats in store for the future please.
-174thfwff
Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, Staten, Uptown, what now? Lets make it happen.
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:17 am

By the way, BEY's pax numbers for the month of Jan2005.....an increase of 20.5% over Jan 2004. Total PAx in JAn 2005: 303,000

At this pace, BEY will achieve about 4 million pax by year's end.

What can I say...impressive growth!!!!!
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:19 am

174thfwff,

Thank you.

Yegbey01,

Thanks for the update.

Where did you read those figures and also where did you read the 3.35 million figure for the year 2004?

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:46 am

BA

Was in Almustaqbal newspaper....I don't read arabic but my brother showed me today's newspaper..it was there in the business section of the paper.

regards
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:56 am

Yegbey01,

Thanks a lot.

Did you get the 2004 figures from Almustaqbal also?

I also agree that Beirut will definately hit around 4 million passengers this year!

Regards

[Edited 2005-02-14 02:58:35]
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
yegbey01
Posts: 1349
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:04 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:08 am

This month's numbers are published in almustaqbal....

I posted a while ago BEY's 2004 numbers...in total, growth was 17.4% year over year. I have to double check the source. (I think it was in "Lebanon Opportunities").

regards....


and by the way, I agree with everthing said about smoking within BEY's premises.....it's disgusting to say the least....And embarassing too.

Waiting in the smoky check in area with no place to sit early in the morning at BEY is ridiculous......ah well!!!
 
BA
Topic Author
Posts: 10134
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: Beirut Int'l To Reach Full Capacity In 5 Years

Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:15 am

Thanks Yegbey01.

If you can find the article about the 2004 numbers, post it. I'd love to read it.

and by the way, I agree with everthing said about smoking within BEY's premises.....it's disgusting to say the least....And embarassing too.

Waiting in the smoky check in area with no place to sit early in the morning at BEY is ridiculous......ah well!!!


I'm afraid that's the Arab way sadly...we have some bad habits.

Although I have to say that in Jordan and some other Arab countries, it is a little bit better....
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran