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Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:03 am

I saw in the reports about Jet Airways new Boeing 737-800 order, they might want to make Hyderabad there new domestic hub.

Air Sahara already is going ahead with plans to make Hyderabad it's super hub. Is Jet Airways going to really follow them? Will the Begumpet Airport be able to handle all the traffic until the new airport is built. Can the new airport handle being a hub for two of India's biggest airlines?

I think it's about time a hub system get's setup in India. Hyderabad is the most perfect location. I would think Nagpur would also be a good hub airport if expanded of course.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:27 pm

1. Why not make a hub at BOM? HYD is taken!

2. I checked Air Sahara's route map. The new hub routes are not shown. Anyone know why?

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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:30 pm

HYD may be a temp hub..they might make the new BLR airport their real "hubby"...
FYI!! work is scheduled to begin at the new airport site and it shall be easier for 9W to relocate from HYD to BLR...just my opinion.
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:43 pm

I really hope Air Sahara makes a new route map design. That looks like a school kid made that out of pen and ruler.

 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:41 pm

Jet Airways and next probably Air Deccan will be doing the same thing---Hyderabad actually does seem to be the perfect location, dead centre in the Indian heartland
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:49 pm

United777 any links, just to be certain.

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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:15 pm

Why not make a hub at BOM?
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:42 am

Sahara is weird! Their schedule published in all the local papers lists a new BOM-PNQ flight and they have published their fares for the same as well. The route map shows it as well. But their staff in their office say there is no flight on the route!

The PNQ HYD flight now operates at a diferent timing. But their staff at the city office have no idea and even their online scheudle lists the old timings! Weird!
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:47 am

How many airports in India have commercial service?
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:45 am

United777 any links, just to be certain.

http://www.business-standard.com/com...lselect=1&chklogin=N&autono=180587

Jet is in the process of making Hyderabad, Jaipur and Raipur its domestic hubs. At present, Delhi and Mumbai are the two hubs of the airline
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:07 am

Centrally located and convenient connecting airports are necessary to be true, efficient hubs. BOM and DEL cannot be efficient hubs, which is why HYD was wide open for Sahara. I really like Jet's forward thinking on this- in the USA we have several airlines that have pure connecting hubs, like DElta at Cincinnati and Northwest at Memphis. These cities provide very little O&D but are uncongested and allow for smooth transfers. Eventually Jet needs to serve some of the type of cities Air Deecan serves into a hub like HYD. Cities such a Belgaum and Hubli with small aircraft- transfer the passengers onto Bombay, Delhi, Kolkota and other major cities from HYD.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:12 pm

Looks like HYD will be a very busy place soon.
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:44 pm


How many airports in India have commercial service?

IC operates to 69 stations in India: the maximum of any carrier. Pretty much every city with commercial air service has IC operating to it. The exceptions are Diu (serviced by 9W with a daily ATR72-500 ex-BOM), Jolly Grant (Air Deccan, ATR42 ex DEL), Belgaum (Air Deccan, ATR42), Kolhapur (Air Deccan, ATR42), Kanpur (Air Deccan, ATR-42) and Hubli (Air Deccan, ATR42).

So that makes 69+5=74. FYI: 120 out of over 300 airfields in India are capable of supporting Jet operations, ie. having 3 bays which can acco. 737 sized jets.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:14 pm

Some relevant points

Currently HYD has high capacity constraints. Sahara is managing their hub and spoke because they moved in very rapidly and took up everything avaiable between 12 and 6 as far as parking stands are concerned (which is more than 90% of the capacity). However this also means that there is not much chance of having a second wave of flights - until the new airpt opens, which is another 30-36 months away.

For the same reason, Jet'splans (if any) of making HYD as a hub will have to wait for the new airport to open (or for Sahara to abandon their hub - knowing Sahara this is very much possible). Sahara's hub is very much of a gamble as they have pulled out some viable routings (such as COK BOM ) to accomodate Hub HYD. Also being forced to have many of their flights between the 12 noon -2 pm window alo means that most of their schedules are useless for the business traveller , esp the point to point traffic from HYD.

For eg, Roy , I am sure will agree that a 1300 (or so about) dep to PNQ and a 1500 dep back to HYD is nowehere near useful as the earlier early morning/late evening timings.

I used the airport last week - there were four flights of Jet all leaving between 0745 and 0830 - to BOM/DEL/BLR and MAA, while Super Hub Sahara had not even a staffer in sight (their first flight was due around 10 AM!).

Incidentally Sahara is not develeoping Super hub HYD without some quid pro quo. THe state governemt has promised (not just to Sahara but for all airlines), a massive reduction in ATF sales tax from 30.55 to 5.55% if they operate 20 flights a day. They currently operate 18 (AFAIK the other two had to be "involuntarily" dropped after the CRJ nose gear collapse at GOI made them an aircraft short!). But whether they will earn enough profit despite these goodies remains to be seen, esp as Air Deccan is already strong in HYD. THey operate already 10 flights and their head honcho has gone on record that one of the next A320s is going to be based in HYD as well.

Honestly , I dont expect the current route structure and timings of Super Hub Sahara to be viable on the long run! Either they tweak their schedules pronto - esp their evening connecting flights to BOM or soon Super Hub HYD may joined the venerable list of other Sahara flops! Anyway let us wait and see!








 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:23 pm

I thnk NGP can be a good option for setting up a cargo hub. Maybe Blue Dart etc can be placed there, owing to the fact that it nearly is at the center of india.

What do you think MEL.

 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:23 am

74 is certainly enough to enjoy the benefits of hub operations. Good luck to them!
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:35 am

I thnk NGP can be a good option for setting up a cargo hub. Maybe Blue Dart etc can be placed there, owing to the fact that it nearly is at the center of india

Just a little nugget of history. Long before Frederick Smith wrote his collegiate paper at Yale, there was something called the Night Air Mail service. Four aircraft (initially DC-3s, then later using HS-748s) would leave from BOM, DEL, CCU and MAA at night with air-mail on them and land at NGP where mail bags would be swapped and the aircraft would return to their home bases. The original overnight delivery service.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:40 am


a 1300 (or so about) dep to PNQ and a 1500 dep back to HYD is nowehere near useful as the earlier early morning/late evening timings.

The earlier HYD-PNQ schedule was much better with a 0810 arrival in PNQ and a 1900 dep ex PNQ. We could leave on Fri evening and come back on Mon morning or something like that! Right now it sucks. I mean a 1505 departure? WTF!
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:58 am

This may be a dumb question but with the expansion at AMD (Amhedabad), why not create a hub there?
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:52 pm

This may be a dumb question but with the expansion at AMD (Amhedabad), why not create a hub there?

as far as possible, hub should be in the center of the country. So, if not HYD then NAG.
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:13 pm

They[9w and s2] are doing fine at BOM--the only reason for hub shifting on Jets behalf would be, [apart from the incentives given by GOI]---S2 is not one of the most committed airlines in the world---They are running an airline for the heck of it.
Roy and Rajeev have mentioned the inconvinient Arr and Dept timings from their so called "Hub Hyderabad".
The way i see it in a few years-
BOM/DEL--AI,IC,9W

HYD--Air Deccan/other Upcoming LCC.[Kingfisher]


I really see HYD developing into a LCC hub with the exception of few daily International flights
 
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:39 pm

I thnk NGP can be a good option for setting up a cargo hub. Maybe Blue Dart etc can be placed there, owing to the fact that it nearly is at the center of india.
For Blue Dart or Rather Blue Dart DHL  Big thumbs up
Hyd will have just Transiting 2 B732SFs.
Meanwhile if things go fine maybe Blue Dart DHL would add Two B752PFs to operate between MAA,BLR,BOM,DEL & leave Four B732SFs to connect Maa,Blr,Bom,Del,CCU.Hyd,Amd.

Considering DHL internationally will connect Bom & Del more frequently,that leaves Blue Dart DHL to operate their B752PFs when they arrive thru Bom & Del more frequently.
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RE: Jet Airways Wants To Make HYD Hub?

Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:47 am

First of all India is a big enough country to have more than 1 hub.
Secondly, the hubs should only connect small secondary airports or foreign airports. It makes no sense to route a Bombay-Travandrum flight thru another airport. The top 6 or so airports are big enough to offer direct services. The Main point of a hub should be to a) connect international destinations and b) smaller cities.
For example, Bombay-Visag or Delhi-Hubli. Well...... I duno how much demand you would get but you get my point.
Flights from Bangalore/Calcutta to Bangkok don’t have to go thru HYD! Or stop anywhere else for that matter. In the first year or 2 while Sahara builds up their SE Asian presence then I guess they can fly out of only 2 cities. But after that it makes no sense- there is enough demand from the other big cities to offer direct services.
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