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BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:25 am

Why did the BAe ATP not sell well? I know it faced competition from the ATR 72, but why did it loose out?

I remember them flying for Manx Airlines from the Isle of Man, they were the mainstay of their fleet for a while.

However it has recently begun to find a niche market as a freighter.
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:32 am

I was talking to a pilot for Midwest Airlines who used to fly for AWAC. When he flew the ATPs, he said, an engine would frequently shut off spontaneously when landing. He told the pax that this was normal so they didn't freak out. The plane is a piece of crap, horribly unreliable, and ugly as hell.  Big grin
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:38 am

Still a lot better looking than a 762 though, eh Friendly Skies?

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:40 am

Talking about it being unreliable, I now remember people talking about it being prone to landing gear faults. I remember one landing at Manchester, with one main gear that would't extent.

Also there was an incident on the Isle of Man when the nose wheel of one collapsed after landing, although I believe this was partly pilot error? (I may be wrong on that,so don't quote me)

I'd forgotten about those incidents!
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:01 am

Still a lot better looking than a 762 though, eh Friendly Skies?

Ha ha ha, I don't think so.


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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:09 am

Those ATPs seemed incredibly slow whenever I saw them on climbout.


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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:11 am

Are you sure?

I am being serious, I prefer the BAE ATP to the 762..


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I'm not a fan of the 762 anyway..

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:18 am

I'm sorry, but the 762 is cute, the ATP is just well, it has the ugliest nose in aviation, yuck!

The planes performance couldn't match that of the competitor, and it is prone to breaking down all the time,

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:26 am

"the ATP is just well, it has the ugliest nose in aviation,"

Have you seen the A380?
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:28 am

Maverick, I was just going to say the same.  Nuts
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:34 am

Have you heard 'Advance Turboprop Problem'?!
Good for cargo though

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:34 am

Have you seen the A380?


Funny...that's exactly what I was thinking...

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:39 am

The ATPs were mad little props. No wonder BA got shut of them. And I think the 762 in the original proper BY scheme is another reason to like it!
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:42 am

Hell, I was going to say the same about the A380 being ugly as hell  Big grin
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:48 am

>>>Also there was an incident on the Isle of Man when the nose wheel of one collapsed after landing, although I believe this was partly pilot error? (I may be wrong on that,so don't quote me)

You´re right:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19901223-0

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:56 am

There were signif reliability issues with the PW engines when first introduced. Also, the fact that the ATP was not built as a family of turbo-props reduced its marketability.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:10 am

wan't it just a revamped, stretched HS 748?
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:19 am

I think besides the fact that the BAe ATP were not paragons of reliability the plane didn't do well in terms of sales compared to the ATR42/72 series and the Saab 340/2000 series. And who wants to buy a new ATP today (if the plane had stayed in production) in when Bombardier CRJ and Embraer ERJ regional jets have taken over nearly all the regional market? Even the Bombardier Dash8-Q400 is a far better plane than the ATP.

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:22 am

It was a poor replacement for the HS748 which arrived too late onto the market
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:25 am

My dead rhinoceros can run faster than the ATP can fly.
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:46 pm

The ATP is a reliable, functional aircraft. It is not prone to "engine faults" or "undercarriage problems" any more than any other aircraft.

The one's used by Manx and BRAL flew thousands of hours trouble free. They did have their quirks and no aircraft is completely reliable, but the ATP is no worse or better than any other.

As for comparing it to a Boeing 767 - you are now showing how completely off your rocker you are. Two different aircraft, for different functions and used in entirely different ways. And lets face it - looks are a personal preference - I mean, some people even like the look of the A.380!

However, before you start to slang off a thoroughly decent aircraft, I would try getting some reliable, accurate information on it. It may not be the fastest, smoothest and quietest aircraft flying, but it works and is certainly a damn sight tougher than many of the plastic machines on the market these days.

I know, I worked on the bloody things and handled the maintenance planning for them.

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:30 pm

I am sorry but I am not off my "rocker".. I was simply making the point that I believe the BAE ATP to be a more attractive aircraft in my own opinion. I find the 762 quite ugly, quite squashed and not as sleek as the 763, 764 and Airbus counterparts.

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:39 pm

I didnt mean you Chris, I was referring to the rest of the crowd! You, at least have taste!

Cheers and good luck in your GCSE's

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:48 am

Well i've had 7 ATP flights and all were fine, however i'm sure the D83 is quieter - from a pax point of view.
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:09 am

I have had 35 flights in ATP's and 14 in various D8's. The Q8 is marginally quieter but they are both about on a par for "comfort" such as it is.

However, the Q400 is much nicer than the ATP, but of course, much newer.

Just can't beat the "Bomber" though. Good, solid British engineering. Some might say, built like a brick ****house Big grin.

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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:25 am

My first ever flight was in a ATP from MAN-Isle of Man, I have to admit being only 12 at the time I dont remember much but now nearly 21 I feel I was lucky have flown on a ATP before they were "served-out" from the BA fleet in favour of the RJ jets/props we see today.
I do remember the cabin being pretty "noisy" at the time, not sure if this was due to where I was sitting in relation to the props, but I remember yelling at the top of my voice and still not being heard (and at 12 I was pretty noisy lol) so im not sure if the airlines probobally favoured more quieter types for replacement of the ATP.
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:15 am

I've just looked at one of my aviation books, and the ATP uses the same engine as the ATR 72, Pratt & Whitney PW124.

So if the ATP's engine's have problems, surely the ATR suffers them aswell?
 
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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:34 am

We used to have several at British World, and nicknamed them 'Another Technical Problem'. Noisy cramped, and with the most useless poky galleys. Don't miss them at all.


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RE: BAe ATP, What's Wrong With It?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:28 am

Well, I must be glad to be alive then, flying ATP's four times over (a short stretch of) the middle of the Atlantic. I quite liked them! Air Açores must be having one of the biggest fleet of pax ATP's I guess...


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