zotan
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Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:59 am

Why are fares from the west coast to Hawaii so expensive? I was looking on United's website and a roundtrip fare from LAX-LHR was cheaper then LAX-HNL.
 
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ramprat74
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:03 am

Fares are the same today as they were back in the 60's. Hawaii is a low yield market because of this.
 
cs03
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:07 am

It all depends on the date! Now, it is "low season" from LAX/LHR, and so the cost is low. The direct opposite is in effect for LAX/HNL now, although with the number of air carriers on the route, people are getting a decent deal.
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:08 am

RampRat74

It is not a low yeid market at all, the post above points that out

Hawaii is expensive just as most of the Carribean is because there are lots of demand and supply is not out of control.






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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:00 am

I think that most people that go to Hawaii do one of the following:

Non-Rev - If possible

Use Milage Points - lots of people use them for Hawaii

Package Deal- Travel Agents usually have "packaged" vacations that include
airfare and hotel. Usually the package is cheaper than the
standard Y airfare. I think this is the way most people use
if they can't do either of the above.

Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:29 am

I am flying on 53 and 52 on april 1st for a fare of $529. With travel vouchers it makes it 293 for 2 people.
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:46 am

I don't know when you're looking, but with a 3 wk advance purchase and a one-week stay (Mar 6 - March 17), a round trip LAX-HNL is 445 on virtually all carriers, London is in the 600 range.

With a one-week advance purchase and a one-week stay (Feb 20-27), United is 900+ to LHR, and the lowest nonstop (Virgin) is 590. Delta will take you r/t to Hawaii for 447 on the same dates.

If you're leaving tomorrow for a week, United will take you round trip for 532 nonstop to HNL, whereas the cheapest nonstop to LHR is on Virgin for 597 (the rest of the carriers except CO being over 2000).

All these are nonstop fares, from Orbitz. Maybe it's just the carrier you're choosing and the specific dates that causes what you see as the irregularity.

--Bill
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:33 am

I would also check Pandaonline.com. I have been checking some prices there and some do not seem too bad. We plan on going in June and are looking for some cheap airfare as well. Non-Rev is also an option.
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:00 pm

UAL found that the west coast - Honolulu runs saw the greatest use of Frequent Flier tickets, so they started making it more and more difficult to use them. There are tricks, which we have used for the last ten years to get FF tickets, but now they have tightened things up even further. This time, we're flying to Bangkok instead on our miles.
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:40 pm

as mentioned in other posts before...airlines have a small inventory of seats that are for frequent flyer miles. not all seats on the aircraft are for FF miles use.

also...another thing to check out. if ur interested in flying another airline rather than United...check out Hawaiian. i'm actually flying them in March and all the airlines were running about $500+ (from the airlines respective website) where as i got a fare for $380 on Hawaiian's website. HA has been my airline of choice to HNL for the last few years not just for fares but also for service!

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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:44 pm

>i'm actually flying them in March and all the airlines were running about $500+ (from the airlines respective website) where as i got a fare for $380 on Hawaiian's website. HA has been my airline of choice to HNL for the last few years not just for fares but also for service!<

Can't you just non-rev?
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B6FA4ever
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:54 pm

N1120A,

thats true that i could non-rev...but HA's flights are always full to HNL (at least the ones i've flown on). if i non-rev...its pretty much only on my own airline cause at least i have access to our xtra jumpseats if i can't get a passenger seat.

also too...depending on whats school's schedules are...Spring break is just around the corner too...  Big grin

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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:08 pm

I looking to go on vacation march 26 till april1 at hawaii or mexico. I'm not going to hawaii because the price for a roundtrip ticket was 1100 at united and others.
 
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aloha73g
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:48 pm

Quote from a travel agent in the Honolulu Advertiser:
"Right now it will cost you anywhere from $458 to $849 for a roundtrip ticket to Los Angeles," Gutner said. "But I can get you to Paris from Honolulu for $391. That's crazy. You can even fly from Honolulu to the East Coast, in many cases, cheaper than to the West Coast. Most of the airlines right now are flying to New York City for just $432."

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Jan/28/bz/bz01p.html

Most flights to HNL are pretty full, regardless of time of year. Hawaii's tourism has been booming since early 2002. Also, Hawai'i saw the highest increase in fares in the last 10 years in the US (41-126% increases). Most of the traffic to Hawai'i is revenue traffic--if you've ever tried non-revving or using frequent flyer miles you know this is true, as both are extremely hard to achieve sucessfully.

I also reccomend Aloha and Hawaiian's websites. They offer some awesme fares only available there....though HA is usually cheaper.

Aloha!

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johnboy
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:30 pm

Plus, if you belong to AAA, you could get a discount on airfares on Aloha. I believe it used to be 10-15% -- not a lot but every little bit helps.

Hope they haven't done away with this yet!
 
N801NW
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:49 pm

I'm paying $836 for PWM-HNL for mid-March. It had ben $1100-1300 but their was a brief dip so I bought ASAP.
 
touchdown99
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:03 pm

Don't cry - but I just bought a return ticket on United from Germany (!) to/from KOA/LIH on United for 890 EUR (approx. 1150 USD) incl. all taxes for departures in late March - and United threw in two free inter-island flights on Aloha Airlines and a free stop-over at SFO....
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:25 pm

If you plan on non-revving to HNL plan on waiting all day, it took us that long and we got separate seats. But we did get there Big grin
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:28 am

Two words: Low-yield.

Another two words: Business Travel.

Because there are very, very, very few business travelers on Hawaii flights, there is no one to subsidize the super-discounted coach fare. On your typical LAX-LHR flight, probably half the plane is full of high-fare business travelers who have purchased their tickets in the past week. This allows the airline to fill the remaining seats with $400 tickets and still make a profit.

On your LAX-HNL flight, you don't have these high-paying business travelers to guarantee profitability. Therefore, the airline has to even out the fares over the entire plane.

Also, add seasonality into the mix, and it's easy to see the fare structure. Personally, I don't think $600 to Hawaii is all that bad.
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aloha73g
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:58 am

Seasonality used to be a bigger deal in Hawai'i, but I dont see it anymore. Hotel occupancy has been over 90% almost EVERY month for the past 2 years. I have been on full flights in October, January, February, early May, April and mid December--all what used to be 'low season.' My Friends and I have had increasing trouble non-revving on Delta and Continental to Hawai'i.

Hawai'i may have formerly been a low-yield seasonal route but since 9/11 and 'stay close to home' synsdrome (in the US) set in Hawai'ui is BOOMING...read the articles in the Star Bulletin or the Advertiser, and you'll get what I'm talking about.

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mham001
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:21 am

Reasons I have been given include more people wanting to stay within US boundries making Hawaii popular and spring break coming. I too need to get there in March.
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:06 am

A friend of mine just purchased round-trip tickets to Hawaii yesterday for $280. She's flying OAK-HNL on North American on March 4th and returning the 8th. I convinced her to buy the tickets asap, becuase I knew it was a pretty good deal. What can she expect in terms of service from North American?
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:35 am

Non-Rev is also an option.

Yeah, if you want to go in April or May. Otherwise, gooood luuuuck. FYI - for whatever reason, it's much easier to get to Hawaii than to get out. Of course, when you're talking about non-revving and Hawaii in the same sentence, "easier" is a relative term. Around the holidays or certain traditional break periods, getting there and back is about as easy as multivariable calculus.


Regards,

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alohakid
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:36 pm

Now Hawaiian Air is having a special fare with round-trip West Coast to Hawai'i for $279 from 4/11-6/9/05.
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:32 pm

Spring break (and other school holidays) are usually bad. Not only do you have vacationers, you have kids who go to college on the mainland going home to Hawaii during their vacation. A day or two can make a big difference.

Panda Online has some of the best deals, with their contract fares on Hawaiian and American that can be lower than what either airline offers on their own web sites. Also keep an eye on the charters and other packagers, not just the SunTrips/North American option mentioned above (they often have great deals), but also Pleasant Hawaiian/ATA.

David / ABQ
 
mham001
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:28 pm

Now Hawaiian Air is having a special fare with round-trip West Coast to Hawai'i for $279 from 4/11-6/9/05.

Only from San Diego, the rest start at $382.

North American Air has the best rates right now.
 
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:34 pm

One of the best websites for airfares is here http://matrix.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/prego

Seems recently NW hasn't been using their RuleBuster mileage hike for reward travel to Hawaii... something to check out.
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kdonohue
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RE: Fares To Hawaii

Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:41 pm

Try a different destination. Air Tahiti has a fare out of LAX to Papette for 400USD.

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