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HP's Midwestern Hub

Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:39 am

Does anybody know what happened with HP at CMH?
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RE: HP's Midwestern Hub

Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:46 am

They loss money in CMH hub which shut the hub their.
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RE: HP's Midwestern Hub

Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:21 pm

When HP converted itslef to more or less a LCC they shut CMH down- they never reached anything close to critical mass at CMH anyway and DL Connection, American Eagle and others have more than offset the departure of HP.
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RE: HP's Midwestern Hub

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:00 pm

The CMH hub was meant as a jumping off point to serve the eastern US. Once the airline received enough planes to fly there nonstop from PHX and LAS...the hub losts its need. They attempted to get commuter feed into CMH using 19-seat beeches from a dozen cities around the great lakes...but it never took off. Only TOL, CAK and one other city really produced any helpful traffic. These were the last cities closed when the beeches were pulled out. Then of course 9/11 hit and they needed to cut costs...CMH was the biggest expense and the rest is history.
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RE: HP's Midwestern Hub

Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:21 pm

The idea of the CMH hub started as a good one, but it was logistically imperfect. A few different factors killed the CMH hub.

One was the need to make two connections when traveling on HP from the east coast to the west coast, or vice-versa. The need for two connections wasn't competitive against other airlines' offering of one connection through other midwestern hubs. For example, a person traveling from BDL to SFO would need to travel BDL-CMH-PHX-SFO on HP, but they could just as easily make one connection on other carriers, like BDL-ORD-SFO or BDL-CVG-SFO. HP tried using lower fares, but other carriers matched.

I'd say the other major factor in the death of the CMH hub was the A319. America West was able to use the smaller, yet long range aircraft to open up smaller markets in the East, like BDL, PIT, and RDU, while overflying the CMH hub. This ended the need for the double connections, and thus, the CMH hub.

Of course, 9/11 happened and the rest is history.

I think if HP had added a few more west coast cities from CMH besides just LAX and the hubs (like CMH-SFO, CMH-SEA, CMH-SAN), the hub may have been more successful, but one will never know.

There's a good piece on the CMH hub at


[Edited 2005-02-14 05:23:42]
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RE: HP's Midwestern Hub

Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:37 am

I'm going to send a few things to CactusWings that I have on the far as details about the feeder service through CMH. To get into more details about the routings...

Dec 15, 1993 time table has...
Columbus to Toledo (6x), Flint (2x), Akron/Canton (6x), Rochester (3x), Louisville (5x), Indianapolis (6x - 3 are mainline), and Milwaukee (4x). Milwaukee to Flint (2x), Lansing (1x), Cedar Rapids (3x), and Indianapolis (5x). Cedar Rapids to Des Moines (3x). Flint to Lansing (2x) and Rochester (2x). Also Detroit to Rockford (4x).

April 18, 1994 timetable has...
Columbus to Toledo (4x), Akron/Canton (3x), Baltimore/Washington (5x - 3 are mainline), Louisville (5x), Indianapolis (6x - 2 are mainline), and Milwaukee (4x). Milwaukee to Des Moines (3x), Indianapolis (4x), and Lansing (3x). Flint to Lansing (1x) and Milwaukee (1x). Also Detroit to Rockford (4x). Toledo to Flint (2x).

October 30, 1994 timetable has...
Columbus to Toledo (5x), Baltimore/Washington (6x - 3 are mainline), Louisville (5x), Indianapolis (4x), Flint (3x), Lansing (3x), Grand Rapids (4x) and Milwaukee (2x). Milwaukee to Grand Rapids (2x). Flint to Lansing (4x). Lansing and Flint were closed December 13th.

I take back what I said earlier about CAK being one of the better cities. Obviously that wasn't the case.  Smile

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