CALMSP
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Coex Pulling HOU..........

Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:39 pm

COEX will no longer serve HOU-CLE starting next month. however come june there will be an additional XRJ HOU-EWR.
 
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:04 pm

Does CO offer any mainline on the HOU-EWR route? These are long distances to go on an ERJ.

Another question i had.....how many cities are there that CO serves from CLE exclusively? If the vast majority of the CO destinations can be reached from IAH or EWR, this sort of makes the HOU-CLE flight unnessescary.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:35 pm

Does CO offer any mainline on the HOU-EWR route?

Yes, they use 737-700s on the route.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:20 pm

Next month? CALMSP, the flights vanished about two weeks ago. The no long show in availibility. No announcement, no nothing. I was working the 840pm CLE-IAH about two weeks ago, maybe a little more, and we got a pax over who had missed a CLE-HOU flight. I look in availibility last week, and the service is already gone.

The flights always had a pretty good load when I worked them. Wonder what gives.

how many cities are there that CO serves from CLE exclusively?

The ones I can think of, which include CO Connection, are ERI, FWA, SBN, FNT, AZO, ISP, HPN, TOL. I'm sure I'm missing one or two.

If the vast majority of the CO destinations can be reached from IAH or EWR, this sort of makes the HOU-CLE flight unnessescary.

The vast majority of domestic destinations served from IAH and EWR are also served from CLE, so what's your point? You serve from your hubs what you think will make money. You don't just say "well, we serve XXX market from this hub, so we won't serve it from this one." That makes no sense, with all due respect.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:17 pm

Did they change the mainline HOU-EWR to 73G? Cause last I checked it was operated with a 735.
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ejmmsu
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:24 am

The vast majority of domestic destinations served from IAH and EWR are also served from CLE, so what's your point? You serve from your hubs what you think will make money. You don't just say "well, we serve XXX market from this hub, so we won't serve it from this one." That makes no sense, with all due respect.

The point i'm trying to make is, why connect in clevleland from HOU if you can drive 15 miles up the road and get on a nonstop flight. Also, why sit in an RJ for 3 hours when you can just as easily make a connection at EWR, and ride a nice mainline jet for three hours. CLE is the weak hub of CO, and it makes sense that the flights failed because CO's major hub is in the same city, and mainline is offered to their other good N'eastern hub.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:33 am

For people living in the southern suburbs of Houston, it is a bit more than a 15 minute drive to get from Hobby to Intercontinental. I believe even in light traffic it is a good 30+ minutes from the Galleria or downtown to Interncontinental.

Offering n/s flights from Hobby to Newark and Cleveland helps to keep otherwise loyal CO customers from flying other carriers that offer flights from Hobby. If the loads were as good as Falcon described there must be a reason why it was dropped, perhaps poor yields, or equipment was needed elsewhere in the system.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:35 am

Well--the CLE service was started with the mindset that all of those OnePass elite members that use to fly EFD-IAH from the southside of the city would opt to change planes now to gain extra miles and for the convenience of closer in Hobby; but as it has been said-CLE is too weak of a hub and doesn't offer enough connection opportunities from Houston. Newark on the other hand offers up European and more northeast destinations for H-Town customers.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:43 am

Yea CLE-DAL didn't work ...but more flights to be added DAL-IAH to make up for WN leaving IAH
 
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:48 am

Also, why sit in an RJ for 3 hours when you can just as easily make a connection at EWR, and ride a nice mainline jet for three hours.

Most people outside this site don't really care what kind of aircraft they fly, as long as they get there. Not everyone makes a reservation with the type of equipment being used, keep in mind. If such were the case, carriers wouldn't have RJ's at all, would they?  Smile

CLE is the weak hub of CO, and it makes sense that the flights failed because CO's major hub is in the same city..

Then why fly EWR-HOU, when that could potentially draw traffic away from IAH? CLE is third in line for everything with CO, that's no secret, and when you have two huge markets like EWR and IAH, that's as it should be, but that doesn't mean that's why it "failed". It may have not have "failed" at all, but it could be in the depressed yield market it wasn't doing as well as thought (it did have 40+ pax quite a bit, I can tell you firsthand), and it's possible COEX needs the aircraft somewhere else.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:32 am

>>how many cities are there that CO serves from CLE exclusively?
The ones I can think of, which include CO Connection, are ERI, FWA, SBN, FNT, AZO, ISP, HPN, TOL. I'm sure I'm missing one or two. >>



The list continues. Louisville, Norfolk, Lexington, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Buffalo, Albany, Manchester, Providence, Boston, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, Birmingham, New Orleans, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Newark, San Antonio, Austin, Tampa, Orlando, etc. etc.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:36 am

:The list continues. Louisville, Norfolk, Lexington, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Buffalo, Albany, Manchester, Providence, Boston, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, Birmingham, New Orleans, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Newark, San Antonio, Austin, Tampa, Orlando, etc. etc."

Uhh--I think they mean cities that only get CO CLE service.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:42 am

pulling BHM as well.
 
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:46 am

Yes, I was wondering what CO cites ONLY get CLE service, with no service to EWR or IAH.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:46 am

Sorry about BHM - that it a market that SHOULD have worked. As another poster noted, CLE comes in 3rd when the assets are dealt out, so there must have been a greater opportunity elsewhere.
 
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:19 am

IAH-DAL goes to 13x daily in April according to an article in the Amarillo newspaper...
 
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:43 am

I can think of these markets that are served solely via CLE...

Allentown/Bethlehem, Erie, Fort Wayne, Harrisburg, South Bend, Toledo, and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.

However, the connections in CLE are much better to these markets than connecting in EWR from HOU/IAH...

Albany, Buffalo, Burlington, Manchester/Nashua, Portland Maine, Providence, Rochester, and Syracuse.
 
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:52 pm

Btw, in our computer for new routes for June, that CO will start a seasonal CLE-ABQ from June 11 to Oct 1. The flight(s) (I'm sure it's just one) haven't been loaded yet ,so don't know if it's an XRJ or 735/73G.
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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:56 pm

AZO is no longer served by aircraft flying under the Continental banner, they have codeshare with NWA, and I'm prety sure that's a market they codeshare on Delta with as well.

I'm suprised AZO has the service it does.

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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:16 pm


Quoting Drerx7 (reply 4):
Did they change the mainline HOU-EWR to 73G? Cause last I checked it was operated with a 735.


HOU-EWR is currently flown by a 735, flight 1446 HOU-EWR and 1444/861 on the return leg.

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RE: Coex Pulling HOU..........

Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:24 pm

If such were the case, carriers wouldn't have RJ's at all, would they?

No they still would.

It gives reasons to have airports in SHV, MLU, MEI, FLO, MGM, etc. etc.

In the absence of choice you will see people get on a plane they hate over getting on one at all.
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