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Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:01 am

Avianca has grounded its fleet of 4 Boeing 767-200 due to what the company calls "preventative inspections". It expects the grounding to stay in place for approximately 3 days. Last night's BOG-MAD was cancelled, as well as the return flight. Tonight's flight to Madrid has been programmed with a Boeing 757. It is showing as non-stop so far, but it is clear that a refueling stop will have to be done. So Madrid spotters, be aware!

A flight from Mexico has also been cancelled, but the aircraft has been ferried to BOG for inspection.

Apart from the 767-200s grounded, AV has a single 767-300 that it uses on its flights to JFK and it is often used on CCS too.

Despite the grounding, the company is managing to keep disruption to a minimum, making the most of its 757s. I wonder if the 2 additional 757s that were to enter the fleet, have already done so.

At this point we would be very grateful for additional information from AV757.

[Edited 2005-02-15 17:02:19]
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:42 am

Are all of these Avianca a/c under US registration, if so, what company operates them, to my understanding Colombia is still CAT2.

I heard that countries with CAT 2 have some limitations, some have to lease a/c and crews, how does Avianca Manage this?
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:45 am

As long as I know, AV is no longer CAT 2, however I might be wrong...let's wait AV757 last words  Big grin
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:46 am

What about the flights to MIA? I know AV serves MIA w/ 762, 763ER, 752 & MD-88
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:57 am

Colombia has been in CAT 1 for a long while now.
MIA will be served with 757s from BOG, MDE, CLO and BAQ. MD83 from CTG.
JFK will still be served as usual with a daily 763 from BOG, and 757 from MDE/CLO

[Edited 2005-02-15 18:04:45]
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:35 am

Today's flights to MAD and MEX are cancelled.
BOG MIA operate in 757, and UIO and FLL in MD80.

What's the problem with the 762?
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:37 am

The category is not for the Airline, is for the country itself. We were CATII some time in the 90s, but we're CATI long time ago, we can open new flights to the US with Colombian registered planes and with Colombian crew, the reason why AVs planes are not registered here in Colombia relate to taxes and leasing agreements, not the category.

757 non-stop to Madrid from Bogotá? Naaaaa. (Not saying it won't fly, but it'll have to stop, although I still have my doubts about it)
BTW wasn't the CLO - MIA and BAQ - MIA flight joined together as CLO - BAQ - MIA? (at least temporaly).

It's weird that they put the whole 762 fleet offline...It's not like they didn't have good schedules for maintenance, and excellent maintenance btw.
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:38 am

They must have found something VERY wrong with these aircraft or one of them atleast....for them to cancel all those flights........scary if you ask me but good thing is that they are being cautious and checking all the planes out.....shows a lot about Avianca.
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:54 am

In the news 5 minutes ago:

They said Boeing issued a directive regarding some electric systems and some wires that went to the engines. They interviewed one of Avianca's main maintenance guys at Bogotá and they say it's just a preventive measure, nothing wrong has been found with Avianca's planes, but they prefered to follow Boeing's aforementioned directive right away.
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:12 am

well , is only for security for everybody .
Can any body go to BOG and take some pictures of all 767-200 grounded ? That would be nice to see .

Any body knows about Avianca's new livery ?
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:22 am

Ok thanks for making me understand, but then why all AV a/c that they use to the US are N registered? or EI registered?

Thanks.
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:46 am

Hey!

I just called AV sales office in MIA and they are acting like there is nothing going on!  Sad

I have a customer flying 18FEB flt 95 BOGEZE on a 767 and I wanted to know if they are going to protect her on AR 1371 same day non-stop on a A313 and they said that they will let me know the 18FEB. I do understand that things happen, but to deny it is wrong! :-0

Please keep me posted of the situation. Thank you guys!!!!!!!!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:51 am

B752Fanatic:

It has to do with the agreements with Avianca and the Aircraft lessors, insurers and also about taxes. It's a circumstance found in lots of Airlines around the World, Alitalia for example has 777s with EI registration, Aeroflot has VP registered planes, Iberia has TF 747s.

Every Airline chooses what's best for them taking into account the possibilities. For example Avianca brought 2 more MD-83s in the mid 90s and were temporarily registered HK, but later re-registered as N593AN and N632CT.

So as you see, Avianca flying to USA with planes registered N and EI is a matter of their own business, and it's not because it's needed for them for flying into the US because of a non-existant CATII for Colombia.

As a side note, Tampa Colombia uses Colombian registered DC-8s into Miami. (Although being replaced by N registered 767s as you might have seen).

An example of the need for use of foreign planes is Aeropostal from Venezuela, they use a Falcon Air 727 (or at least used to), I don't know the current status of Venezuela's category, but as I say, it used to be like that.

[Edited 2005-02-15 20:55:37]
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:01 am

I cant find any information about this online. Are they sending the 757 out tonight (the 15th ) or tomorrow (the 16th?). Online it says tonights flight is cancelled and tomorrow is as planned with a 767.

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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:04 am

757 for BOG-MAD? Wouldn't it make more sense to pull the 763 of the JFK run and replace that with a 757 and perhaps an additional leg to make up for the capacity loss?
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (reply 14):
757 for BOG-MAD? Wouldn't it make more sense to pull the 763 of the JFK run and replace that with a 757 and perhaps an additional leg to make up for the capacity loss?

Maybe the loads on today's BOG-MAD flight were low?
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:57 am

757 for BOG-MAD? Wouldn't it make more sense to pull the 763 of the JFK run and replace that with a 757 and perhaps an additional leg to make up for the capacity loss?

AV has actually cancelled tonight's flight to MAD, but has indeed scheduled the 763 for tomorrow, leaving JFK with a 757
Earlier in the day the MAD flight did appear as operated with a 757, but clearly the logistics, to be implemented on such short term did not make it worthwhile
 
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RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:08 am

Quoting MIASkies (reply 3):
know AV serves MIA w/ 762, 763ER, 752 & MD-88


Avianca does not send the 763 regularly to Miami, the other types they do.



Just as additional information regarding other flights...


TODAY [Feb. 15]



  • MIA-BOG is scheduled to arrive at 19:13, confirmed. Flight operated by a 757. Normal arrival time is 19:30


  • MDE-MIA departed northbound today almost 1 and a half hour delayed. Normal departure time is 10:10, the flight departed MDE at 11:33. MIA-MDE, as well, is expected to arrive 1 hour later than usual; when the flight lands circa 18:00, today it is confirmed for a 19:00 arrival.
  • Flight operated by a 757.

  • MIA-CLO and MIA-BAQ had been joint into one sole route, as mentioned early, until the first week of March. The flight, operated by a 757 aircraft, is expected to arrive ontime [22:10] to CLO.


  • MIA-CTG does not operate on Tuesdays.




  • TOMORROW [Feb. 16]



  • BOG-MIA is scheduled for an ontime departure at 10:50 from BOG to MIA. The flight is to be operated on a 757, normal aircraft being a 762.


  • MDE-MIA is scheduled for an ontime departure as well, at 10:10, the flight, however, is going to be served by MD83 equipment. Usual aircraft, a 757.

  • CLO-BAQ-MIA is expected to operate normally, downgraded however to a MD83 also.


  • CTG-MIA is going to operate normally, with expected ontime departure, and MD83 as usual







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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:10 am

    I guessed so... 757 to MAD.. baah
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:24 am

    I was told today that it was a preventive grounding ordered by Boeing but after AV failed to comply with their mandatory inspections on time. Does this make any sense to those who know more about it?

    [Edited 2005-02-16 01:29:27]
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:45 am

    Yes. The FAA usually or the manufacture company issues mandatory inspections, and give them a certain amount of time to accomplish.
    Maybe they didn't make them on time and know they had to ground the whole fleet to complete with the inspection, that's only a hypothesis.
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:30 am

    But there have to be routes that will be cancelled, maybe domestic flgihts operated by Md-83s and 757s so they can fly the routes that the other 757s were being used on...

    [Edited 2005-02-16 02:34:45]
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:18 am

    A mandatory AD (Airworthiness Directive) has expired, thus grounding the Boeing 767 fleet for 4 days to make the changes on an engine wire harness support isolation ring that has to be changed on the Pratt & Whitney PW4000 series engines, this came about after some upgrading modifications were made on these engines last year, there was some confusion on whether or not the AD was applicable to the modified P&W 4000 engines at AV.

    Colombia is CAT 1 certified by the FAA since 1998,
    and AV is a CAT 2 certified airline for autolands for all its fleet.

    The latest news on the new product launch date of the airline and the new airplane livery colors painted on the first aircraft is going to be on February 28 according to an internal news bulletin and also mentioned by the new owner German Effromovich of Sinergy Group at an informal employee reunion.

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:25 pm

    Yes the day of my birthday! I was hoping they changed the date and they did! B/C in February 24 I will be in Guajira with my school pals...
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:17 am

    According with the flight tracker IB is coming to BOG today with two flights : 6741 with the A340-600 and 6743 with the B747-300 I supposed this is related with the AV's cancellation, isnt it?

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:50 am

    It must have to do with AV's cancelled flights from MAD.
    I notice in AV's website that the flight to Madrid appears as on schedule on a 767. JFK's flight also appears as a 767. Perhaps at least one of the hitherto grounded 762's has been inspected and released for operation?
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:05 am

    Quoting AV757 (reply 22):



    Hello AV757,

    Thanks for the detailed info!!
    I just received the same information from Avianca/BOG Colombia

    But what I've heard that the B762 fleet will be grounded of a minimum of 5 days.
    Can't wait to see AV's new product and livery!!


    Quoting JUANR (reply 24):

    Yes it is. As far as I've heard almost all AV BOG-Europe-BOG pax are booked on these extra IB flights (on behalf of the AV-IB codeshare). Its possible that IB will put extra 747's or A340's the next 5 days as the AV B762 will be grounded.


    Quoting Danimarroquin (reply 9):

    Danimarroquin its difficult to take pics of the whole AV B762 fleet. One of them is parked in AV hangar the rest on the ramp nearby.
    It must be special to see them all, very close at the same place, but its better to see them flying soon again!


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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:51 am

    I have been all afternoon, looking out my office window for IB 747 as the landings have been visual 31 for the last few days. I was not lucky enough but I did see something that looked like an A330 with a blue tail. Can any body give me a hint, it did have tipped winglets and had a white (ish) body. I did think of AR but they have a later landing and it did look larger than an A310 and this was about one hour ago that is around 4.30.
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:15 am


    Quoting Bogota (reply 27):
    I was not lucky enough but I did see something that looked like an A330 with a blue tail.


    The first thing that comes to mind, following strictly your description, is a possible Iberworld A330-300.



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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:14 am

    Yes it was an Iberworld A330 I saw it.

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:00 pm

    And i also saw the IB 747-400. Weir things you see these days  Big grin

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:46 pm

    Gus:

    I think it was a 747-300 not 400. Although no major difference isn't.?

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:54 pm

    Question off topic- was there a movie about an Avianca plane that took off from JFK and crashed on the beach? I saw it a few years ago. The main character was a little girl and a mom. The little girl was flying by herself. when it crashed, the mom came to the crash and saw her little daughter still in the seat in the sand. I tihnk thats how it was.
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:45 pm

    Juan has far has i Know IB at this time doesn't have any 747-300 in their fleet since they are all returned to Air Atlanta and the 747-400s tehy have are Ex Singapore Airlines ones. Anyone cares to confirm?


    Blessings

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:14 am


    Quoting JUANR (reply 29):
    Yes it was an Iberworld A330 I saw it.


    is Iberworld a frequent visitor in BOG? I saw last year one. It was May 2004.
    What kind of charters are they? Ok this time I understand but normally?

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:54 am

    From what I've heard the Iberworld charter is the one you don't want to be in: deported people. it is a usual visitor at BOG.

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    Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:53 am



    Quoting Tavong (reply 33):
    IB at this time doesn't have any 747-300 in their fleet since they are all returned to Air Atlanta and the 747-400s tehy have are Ex Singapore Airlines ones. Anyone cares to confirm?


    IB has 2 B743 (TF-ATI and TF-ATJ). TF-ATJ is the one at BOG right now.

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:16 am

    Quoting Tavong (reply 33):
    Juan has far has I Know IB at this time doesn't have any 747-300 in their fleet since they are all returned to Air Atlanta and the 747-400s tehy have are Ex Singapore Airlines ones. Anyone cares to confirm?

    Blessings GusSKBO



    Hola Gustavo how are you??
    The Iberia Jumbo that you and Juan saw was an IB B747-341 with TF-ATJ as registration.
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    Photo © Michael Carter

    Yesterday a friend of mine was spotting the AV F50's at BOG and than this baby suddenly showed up. He thought that it would arrive by night... but no... what a surprise.


    About IB B747 fleet
    As far as I know they still have 7 planes. B742 (3x) B743 (2x) B744 (2x)

    Boeing 747-256B = EC-DIA
    Boeing 747-256B = EC-DIB
    Boeing 747-256B = EC-HVD

    Boeing 747-341 = TF-ATI
    Boeing 747-341 = TF-ATJ (the one @ BOG ... Lucky guys)  Smile

    Boeing 747-412 = TF-AMA
    Boeing 747-412 = TF-AMB


    But anyone please correct me if I'm wrong!!

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:19 am


    Quoting Wimpycol (reply 37):
    Boeing 747-256B = EC-DIA
    Boeing 747-256B = EC-DIB
    Boeing 747-256B = EC-HVD


    Only EC-DIB still flying and not for long.
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:38 am

    Quoting Avianca (reply 34):

    Avianca:is Iberworld a frequent visitor in BOG? I saw last year one. It was May 2004. What kind of charters are they? Ok this time I understand but normally?


    Hello Avianca
    The Spanish government normally charter Iberworld to deport people back to their home country's... so its a one way trip.
    I saw the A330 my self a couple of times during my trips in Colombia. As far as I know it's always been parked at the international ramp in front of gate C2.

    So now we have the flights from MAD to BOG
    (AV of course B767's)

    Iberia A340-300/600 and a in some occasions B747-200/300
    Air Madrid A330-300 maybe this year with A340-300
    Air Plus Comet B747-200's ( very soon)
    Iberworld A330-200 charter...so no frequent flyer on this one  Smile

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:40 am


    Quoting Fermarta (reply 38):
    Only EC-DIB still flying and not for long.


    So the A340-600's replaced them.
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:47 am

    Back to the topic!

    Things does change fast with AV.

    So the latest on their B767's
    The AV 767's are already flying.... yesterday departing to Madrid, Santiago and Lima, N421AV, N988AN and N986AN so guess the engine problem is already solved.

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:19 am

    Hello Willem,

    As you mentioned Air Madrid, and going off topic again, I can refer you to today's Portafolio, in which they are threatening to stop flying to Colombia if they are not allowed to serve BOG and CTG in a triangular way from MAD.
    Looking at Amadeus, they have already decided to have a third frequency to Colombia, on Sundays, but only if a stop can be saved. Apparently this extra stop is costing them 200.000 EUR per month in extra fuel, landing rights etc.

    Colombia's Aerocivil had, in principle, approved the triagular route, but it will not rubber stamp it until Avianca is given extra frequencies. The Spanish Aviation authority has refused this request. Aerocivil points to a unbalance, as Spanish carriers will have 5000 seats on offer between the two countries, whilst colombian carriers only have 2000 seats on offer per week.
    Avianca wants extra frequencies to fly to Madrid from Cali, Medellin, and -brace yourselves,-Armenia! (I had already heard this, now read the article!)

    I don't know how they propose to do this. Is Armenia getting expanded, or will be from Palestina, which is now under construction?
    Odd indeed. Still, I'd loveto see MDE-MAD.

    Source: http://www.portafolio.com.co/port_se...B-NOTA_INTERIOR_PORTA-1979920.html

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:36 am

    Quoting Summa767 (reply 42):
    Source: http://www.portafolio.com.co/port_se...B-NOTA_INTERIOR_PORTA-1979920.html

    Kind regards,
    Juan Carlos



    Hi Juan Carlos.
    Thanks for the nice info! WOW
    I've heart of the Armenia- Europe flight sometime ago. Hmmmm it would be great but I think that the MDE-MAD flight has better possibilities. Although the Armenia-MAD already exsist with an AV flight number...that I do not remember... Of course with a stop in BOG and change of equipment.

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:58 am

    Hola Amigos Chibchombianos  Big grin,

    Just curious: do any of you know the route of the 757-operated flight to Madrid? I guess it must stop somewhere in Venezuela and then in the Açores/Canarias. Something like BOG-CCS-SID-MAD. I bet passengers are not very happy with this, as it may add some hours to the flight time. Does AV give its passengers some sort of compensation, like a small candy bar?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

    Interesting that always the one having trouble with Aerocivil is Air Madrid. I thought they would let their place to newcomer Air Plus Comet. It surprises me that it is them who always have trouble with the local authorities. We'll have to wait till they start their Buenos Aires service (in a couple of months) to see how they will along with the Argentinian government, who isn't very easy to deal with.

    Anyway, it is great to see how Avianca can manage to complete all its schedule somewhat on time.

    Saludos,
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:08 am

    Marambio, AV's grounding only lasted less than 2 days in the end. The 757 flight was never operated, but cancelled instead. I am sure passengers had to be compensated, plus expenses paid for. AV used to do LAX non-stop with this type (8 hour flight). So for a 757 to MAD only one stop would be necessary.
     
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:09 am

    Dude the 757 to MAD was a flaw in the matrix, it didn't operate AFAIK.

    I think we have our rights to deny the Air Madrid thing if Spain doesn't Authorize Avianca the extra frequency. It's pure common sense, logic and justice.

    I would really love to see a flight to MAD from MDE (my Airport!), still I don't know if it could be supported, but if they plan to fly from AXM (Airport btw that can't take anything bigger than a MD-83, and the MD-83 would consume most of the runway, I don't even know if it has emigration and stuff either, Palestina isn't built and will belong to Manizales and so on...) I think my city has a chance, at least for a seasonal flight.

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:14 am

    my dream from MDE to FRA (B767-200) nonstop... but just a dream, ok at least I would use it every 2 months... hehe  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:10 pm

    Quoting Fermarta (reply 36):
    IB has 2 B743 (TF-ATI and TF-ATJ). TF-ATJ is the one at BOG right now.


    Thanks Fermata for the Info, any idea when the 747-300 will leave Iberia? Are they being replaced by the EX-SAI 744sa? or A340-600¿ (or a mixture between both of them)

    Quoting Wimpycol (reply 37):
    Hola Gustavo how are you??
    The Iberia Jumbo that you and Juan saw was an IB B747-341 with TF-ATJ as registration


    Thanks again Willem  Big grin

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    RE: Avianca Grounds B767-200 Fleet

    Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:39 am

    Good to know that AV finally solved the B767 issue, since they must have paid some big compensations to passengers due to the new EU laws for flight overbooking and cancellation.

    TVE showed some passengers who were really angry because they could not get to BOG and were willing to sue AV if they did not get the compensation stated in EU laws...