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Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:15 am

A few years back (3 or 4 years ago) I flew out of BNE on JL on a 747-300 and parked right next to us was the final Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services (QANTAS) 747-SP.

It seemed that in the final years, they only had 1 SP used.

This was parked in the international terminal though. Where route did this SP frequently serve?

The SP was a pioneer, I miss it. They were the basis for making the 747-SUD (Stretch upper deck to save fuel) and PanAm used to fly JFK-NRT first before JAL's 747-200B with brand new JT9D-7R4G2 engines came in and started flying the route.

BTW, I saw an NH colored SP a few years back in a Japanese airliners magazine in KIX. I know that they didn't order SP's but Saudi Arabia and Iran Air are the only ones that I know that have them.

Does any other airline have them? Did they come equipped with JT9D-7A or 7Q engines or could you choose from all 3 makers?
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:32 am

QF's SP's had RR engines, didn't they?
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:48 am

Beside IranAir & Saudia, Syrianair is still operating a B747SP


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QANTAS B747SP VH-EAA was delivered in January 19881 and was retired from service in February 2002 .

VH-EAB was delivered to QANTAS in August 1981. It was retired by the end of 2001.

QF's SP's had RR engines.


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Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:06 am

QF purchased the B747SP for the SYD-WLG route, but soon discovered that they could be used on other routes as well
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:15 am

>QF purchased the B747SP for the SYD-WLG route, but soon discovered that they could be used on other routes as well<

The main breakthrough of the SP is that it allowed non-stop SYD-LAX flights
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:27 am

The 747-SPs pioneered Qantas direct services from Australia to China in the 1980s. I still remember going on a great non-stop flight from Beijing to Sydney in a Qantas 747-SP in December 1985.

The flights were certainly preferable to the only alternative at the time - CAAC - whose PEK-SYD flights had two intermediate stops, in Guangzhou and Melbourne.

I forget the precise flying time, but it was well over 12 hours. Sadly, Qantas flights to China ceased shortly afterwards, not to be resumed for many years.
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:04 am

"QF purchased the B747SP for the SYD-WLG route"

What suited it to that route?
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:33 pm


Quoting Timz (reply 6):
What suited it to that route?


The 747-200s which Qantas had at the time could not be safely operated out of Wellington, because of the length of the runway. The SP could however, and did up until Qantas purchased 767s.

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Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:37 pm

The reason that the aircraft were deployed on SYD-LAX non-stop was because Pan Am started using their 747SPs on the route. Until Pan Am did it, Qantas didn't use them for that. The advantage for Qantas was that the RR engines were better than the Pratt & Whitney ones, and Qantas could do it non-stop all the time. Pan Am often had to have a tech stop.

I did read that Qantas optioned 2 x DC-10-30s for the WLG service, but eventually went with the SP instead. The model of a QF DC-10 is really weird looking due to the placement of the kangaroo in the top section of the fin above the engine.

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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:02 pm

About 3 years ago I caught the QF747SP on a service CNS-DRW-SIN, I sat in only on the CNS-DRW (domestic) leg.

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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:07 pm

What happened to Qantas SP's? Where are they now?
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:30 pm


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This is how -EAB looked like more than two years ago. Wouldn´t it be nice Travolta would have snapped it?
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:18 pm

I flew the QF 747SP from SYD to DPS via BNE, and that was back in 1993. I was on the upper deck (economy). great flight.  Big grin
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:22 pm

BTW, I saw an NH colored SP a few years back in a Japanese airliners magazine in KIX

AFAIK,NH never operated SP's. No Japanese carriers ever opted for the SP,either.

John Travolta was rumored to be buying one of the stored QF SP's,but that never happened.

VH-EAA and -EAB were scrapped in MZJ (I got the pics at home to prove it)


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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:29 pm

Hi-

If I'm not mistaken, QF painted their latter 747SPs in Australia Asia Airlines colours, specifically created for the TPE route (to avoid mainland China issues). Can anyone confirm?

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:07 am


Quoting ScandinA340 (reply 14):
If I'm not mistaken, QF painted their latter 747SPs in Australia Asia Airlines colours, specifically created for the TPE route (to avoid mainland China issues). Can anyone confirm?


True - although they only ever operated 2 747-SP aircraft. Both were painted in Australia Asia Airlines colours.

I once caught VH-EAA from DPS-SYD in seat 1A. Best flight I have ever had.

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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:35 am

United_Fan

I have the pictures to prove it too. They flew into KIX and it suprised everyone. It has the Blue and the ANA logo on it as well.

That is why I am questioning it. I am not going to state from the middle of nowhere.
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:50 am

"I have the pictures to prove it too."

You have pictures of a 747SP in ANA paint? What was the registration? When was it?
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:56 am

It was back in 2001 April that it landed at KIX.

The magazine was suprised too and it did not give the registration. But judging from what the engines looked like, it seemed like a CF type. Don't ask me why it was painted in those colors and whose property that was. But there was a small ANA logo on the plane and it in the normal blue colors like NH. THe blue, white, with all the lines.

Has anybody heard anything about this irregular flight?
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:00 am

Na,

That would be awesome if Travolta did that!
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:05 am

Quoting Iowa744Fan (reply 19):
That would be awesome if Travolta did that!


Sadly, both the QF birds have now been scrapped (according the http://www.747sp.com they were cut up in 2002...)

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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:37 am

I meant I had some pics of a QF -SP being cut up...





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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:50 am

When QF added the SP, it had an all-742 fleet was not good for flexibility and some of the lighter routes. The SP's immediately went on the Wellington and Christchurch routes replacing the 742. The rationale I imagine was the slightly lower overall operating costs of the SP (despite a higher seat cost).

The SP was also used to open the SYD-LAX nonstop route which the 742 could not handle nonstop. I recall seeing a QF SP at LAX in 1981.

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:11 pm


Quoting Yyz717 (reply 22):
The SP's immediately went on the Wellington and Christchurch routes replacing the 742.


QF never flew the 742 to WLG that I am aware of, infact only 3 full sized 747's have ever landed at WLG if I recall correctly. CHC may have got the SP but there are/were no restrictions on the 747 landing taking off from there.

Pretty sure they only flew SYD-LAX non-stop 3x weekly for most of the time.

In the latter years they mainly flew SYD-CNS-NGO and were also used on DRW-SIN for a time, and 1 or 2 others, MNL I think was 1.

They visited AKL from time to time, always a pleasure to see, VH-EAA last visited AKL on February 9th 2002 just a few days before her final flight for QF.
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:13 pm

I've seen a NZ 747 doing touch & go's at Wellington a long time ago, the Qantas SPs, and i recall the United diversion- but what other 747's (fullsize) have landed there?
 
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:39 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (reply 23):
QF never flew the 742 to WLG that I am aware of, infact only 3 full sized 747's have ever landed at WLG if I recall correctly.


I am pretty sure you are correct there - prior to the 747SPs, I believe Wellington to Australia was flown with Electras - perhaps one of the older Wellington residents could confirm or deny this?

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:46 pm

Quoting Zonky (reply 24):
I've seen a NZ 747 doing touch & go's at Wellington a long time ago, the Qantas SPs, and i recall the United diversion- but what other 747's (fullsize) have landed there?


NZ landed a 742 there in 1998 to mark the opening of the new terminal, there was as you say the United diversion, and maybe another NZ in there. Thats all that I am aware of.
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:51 pm

Don't forget these used to fly Wellington-Sydney....



... and they didn't even have to worry about the steep drop off into Evans Bay Big grin

According to this NZ DC-8's used to operate Wellington-Sydney.

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:04 pm


Quoting VirginFlyer (reply 25):
I am pretty sure you are correct there - prior to the 747SPs, I believe Wellington to Australia was flown with Electras - perhaps one of the older Wellington residents could confirm or deny this?


I thought TAA operated there on behalf of QF at some stage aswell?
 
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RE: Final Qantas 747SP, Innaguration Of The Routes

Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:05 am

"According to this [what?] NZ DC-8's used to operate Wellington-Sydney."

When?

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